So who do you guys think is the best of the current batch of American heavies?
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So who do you guys think is the best of the current batch of American heavies?
Damn that's a tough list. I went with Chambers.Arreola a close close second. I think Chambers is the all around best fighter. Kevin Johnson is up there as well I would like to see him fight someone a little tougher now.
I went with fast Eddie. Toney and Holyfield are done, Arreola is an exciting guy and I like him but he's not proved himself against the kind of competition Eddie has yet.
I also think Arreola is one of those fighters who once he has been beat will fade just Sam Peter, whereas Chambers has shown himself capable of learning from his losses and continuing to improve.
Arreola's high point will come next month, after he gets smashed, as he almost certainly will, his career will fade whereas Eddie could lose a world title fight but still keep himself in the rankings and work his way back thanks to better boxing skills and more discipline and dediction to the sport than Arreola has shown.
Chambers.
Who voted for Toney? ;D
Man thats a real tough question, and I really stuggled for an answer basically because I didn't know whether to judge it by who would beat the rest in the list or who would have the best chance against Wlad who is the man in the division right now.
In the end I went for the man who I think would be the best in the list and chose Eddie Chambers, although this may seem strange to some people but of that list I think Evander would still have the best chance against Wlad. I'm not for one minute saying that he would beat him but Evander is and old pro whos been around the block and still seems to have one of the best chins in the game so for me his experience and chin could get him inside Wlads jab once or twice and if he gets there we all know Wlad is rather suspect in the chin area.
But back to Chambers, I don't think he will have much joy Vs Wlad but against the rest of the Americans he is IMO just too crafty and the two men who were better (Toney and Holyfield) are just too old!
Damn we suck lol. I'm hoping there is a heavyweight that is up and coming not on that list yet that might step up. Its a shame because these heavyweights are squandering their career which are not on the list. Faruq Saleem 38-0 David Rodriguez 31-0 Malik Scott 32-0 and Donnell Holmes 31-0. Maybe Travis Kaufman will step up. But in the mean time I voted for Arreola who will probably get killed by Vitali.
chambers .what a very good list of talent ;D
I voted on who would do best vs the current champs and that would be EVANDER HOLYFIELD.
Sure he's old, sure he can't fight like he used to, but do you see anyone else who could possibly MAYBE last the distance with Wlad and Vitali AND beat Valuev (which in my eyes Evander already did). I'm not saying I would ever want to see Evander take on Wlad or Vitali, but he's still a tough SOB
lyle, Are you sure you aren't just being controversial?
Could Holyfield beat Chambers? Really?
Sad, but every guy on that list is just another potential victim for those big Russian brothers. :foruml10gc5:
What no Malik Scott?
Is he gonna get in the ring again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
fast eddie would own arreola
Having to actually decide between arreola and chambers really does hit home how seriously poor this division is right now
He never said he could beat Chambers. He said he has gone for the man who he thinks would have the best chance against the current world champs and I agree! I voted Chambers because if the names listed went face to face I think Chambers would be the top man but if I was to put them in with the brothers I too think that Evander would have more chance than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman89
American heavyweights.....:LOLATYOU:
Got to be a joking thread.:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:
At least most of these guys have fought this year, who does the UK have? Haye, and..................Sprott, Fraudley, Gammer? Rogan? Fury?Doesn't look any better for you guys mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
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Originally Posted by killersheepAt least most of these guys have fought this year, who does the UK have? Haye, and..................Sprott, Fraudley, Gammer? Rogan? Fury?Doesn't look any better for you guys mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
I knew I would be able to get at least one of our American friends to bite.:owned:
After years of British heavyweights getting slated by the US boxing fans and press you cant blame use for gloating a small bit.;D(even if I would love a good american HW to clean up the division)
I'm owned because you're bitter? Well enjoy your vengeance I guess.....Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepAt least most of these guys have fought this year, who does the UK have? Haye, and..................Sprott, Fraudley, Gammer? Rogan? Fury?Doesn't look any better for you guys mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
I knew I would be able to get at least one of our American friends to bite.:owned:
After years of British heavyweights getting slated by the US boxing fans and press you cant blame use for gloating a small bit.;D(even if I would love a good american HW to clean up the division)
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Originally Posted by killersheepI'm owned because you're bitter? Well enjoy your vengeance I guess.....Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I knew I would be able to get at least one of our American friends to bite.:owned:
After years of British heavyweights getting slated by the US boxing fans and press you cant blame use for gloating a small bit.;D(even if I would love a good american HW to clean up the division)
Bitter?
I only drink lager mate.:)
I have no point to make, but I want to get in the last word ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI'm owned because you're bitter? Well enjoy your vengeance I guess.....Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Bitter?
I only drink lager mate.:)
Are you my misses in desguise?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI have no point to make, but I want to get in the last word ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Bitter?
I only drink lager mate.:)
That depends, did you stop by the store yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaAre you my misses in desguise?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI have no point to make, but I want to get in the last word ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Ye its all about the British Heavys comon David Haye lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Too bad we cannot make a sort of Frankenstein out of all.It would take a piece of each to make a major player:-X.Life long Holyfield fan but that ship has to and should have already sailed.
Think Chambers is currently the best skilled and pure boxer.But we've seen Chris Byrd already...and frankly Byrd fought with more intensity,ugh.I'll go with Kevin Johnson.He's still a toss up but fast hands,height-size to compete,confidence in bundles.I think he'll have a tough time getting huge fights....Arreola if your going for raw pure power.
How big is the US compared to the UK ? Obviously its going to have more and better heavyweights. But who has the best heavyweight out both the US and UK ? David Haye, without doubt. You cant say anybody on that list would beat Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepAt least most of these guys have fought this year, who does the UK have? Haye, and..................Sprott, Fraudley, Gammer? Rogan? Fury?Doesn't look any better for you guys mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
You can't beat someone when they back out of a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeHow big is the US compared to the UK ? Obviously its going to have more and better heavyweights. But who has the best heavyweight out both the US and UK ? David Haye, without doubt. You cant say anybody on that list would beat Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepAt least most of these guys have fought this year, who does the UK have? Haye, and..................Sprott, Fraudley, Gammer? Rogan? Fury?Doesn't look any better for you guys mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
I'm a bit shocked some people thing Holyfield would do better against Wlad or Vitali than Eddie Chambers.
I would honestly fear for Evander's safety were he to be put in there with either of them.
We saw James Toney take him apart and that was several years ago.
If he fought either Klitschko he could end up seriously damaged.
Chambers would do ok against Wlad, he'd be all but shut down offensively and would just be looking to survive the late rounds but he wouldn't be seriously hurt.
Evander on the other hand is so old, and so slow he'd just get beaten up and stopped inside 6 rounds.
It wouldn't even be competitive.
Same with James Toney, I have no idea if the guy he is facing next is any good, I doubt he is, but I do know this, Toney, if he wins at all, will only win by a gnat's breath and will look absolutely fucking awful,
They are both at the stage Gatti was when he got knocked out by Alfonso Gomex and have no business being in the ring any more.
I say that as huge fans of both, they just need to be told when to quit.
I'd say Chambers. His recent wins over Peter and Dimitrenko put him above the others for me. Although I think Arreola has a better chance against the Klitschko's.
Eddie Chambers is clearly the best of that group.
I went with Chambers, who has very good fundamentals & looks good when he lets his hands go
But I'll be paying closer attention to Johnson should he be impressive against Solis
Cant do shiit about an injury. And Haye will be back soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYou can't beat someone when they back out of a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeHow big is the US compared to the UK ? Obviously its going to have more and better heavyweights. But who has the best heavyweight out both the US and UK ? David Haye, without doubt. You cant say anybody on that list would beat Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Just in time to retire right?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeCant do shiit about an injury. And Haye will be back soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYou can't beat someone when they back out of a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
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Originally Posted by leftyleeCant do shiit about an injury. And Haye will be on his back soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYou can't beat someone when they back out of a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Fixed it for you