Roy Jones against the world

ok so weve just seen him dominate lacy, no big surprise. u have have to admit his speed and skill set is still up their with the best in boxing. alot of people are calling him shot, but im one of the people giving him the benefit of the doubt after his knockout losses with johnson and tarver, also his points loss too calzaghe.what im sayin is how would he do against the ring champs from 168 up to heavy weight, im going with kessler as the number 1 at 168, then hopkins at lightheavy, adamek at cruiser, then wlad klitschko at heavy.i still genuine believe theirs another chapter too be writen in the roy jones story. even if u give him no chance against the ring champs,what do u think about him against the other weaker champs.

He has some juice for a few other good fights but it would be pure madness to think that he can beat the Ukrainian brothers and the other few good monsters of the HW division if you ask me, I would like to see him firstto try, if he doesn't want to retire (which I would like, Jones being one of my all time favorite fighters) the other good light heavyweights first.

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He has some juice for a few other good fights but it would be pure madness to think that he can beat the Ukrainian brothers and the other few good monsters of the HW division if you ask me, I would like to see him firstto try, if he doesn't want to retire (which I would like, Jones being one of my all time favorite fighters) the other good light heavyweights first.

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i dont think he would beat the kilschkos today(back in the day tho who nos), but anyone below that down the divisions i give him a chance, call me crazy but i still seriously rate him. hes in my top five of all time still regardless, yeah i no people have got better resumes on there shoulders but based on prime for prime talent and pure skill jones is anywhere from number 1 to 5 all time, sorry haters but he was that good

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He has some juice for a few other good fights but it would be pure madness to think that he can beat the Ukrainian brothers and the other few good monsters of the HW division if you ask me, I would like to see him firstto try, if he doesn't want to retire (which I would like, Jones being one of my all time favorite fighters) the other good light heavyweights first.

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i dont think he would beat the kilschkos today(back in the day tho who nos), but anyone below that down the divisions i give him a chance, call me crazy but i still seriously rate him. hes in my top five of all time still regardless, yeah i no people have got better resumes on there shoulders but based on prime for prime talent and pure skill jones is anywhere from number 1 to 5 all time, sorry haters but he was that good

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You are clearly joking.

Jones would be a big underdog against any top fighter.

Pavlik, Abraham, Dawson, Froch, Bute, Kessler, even Pascal.

Jones has looked great against very carefully handpicked opponents. Sheika and Lacy were completely shot, Anthony Hanshaw was an ok fighter but clearly not a top fighter, neither was Prince Badi Ajamu.

Give Jones somebody slow and predicatable, who has little left in the tank and he will still look great, give him someone young, hungry, in their fighting prime and with ambition to actually win and he'll be dominated all over again.

Danny Green is a great opponent for him, I think it's a legitimate fight against a very solid opponent who is still dangerous, but whose skills are basic enough that Roy can still outbox him, although its not a gimme fight by any means.

He won't beat the likes of Pavlik, Kessler, Taylor, Abraham etc.

After Green the best fight for him would probably be B Hop, Hop's lack of activity and slow pace would make for a fight more winnable for Jones than fighting a young hungry fighter who actually wants to do him physical harm.

He lost virtually every single round apart from the first with Joe Calzaghe and got absolutely dominated, he was exhausted and showed he had little left in his fights with Antonio Tarver.

Since then all he has done is got older. If he steps up again he loses.

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He has some juice for a few other good fights but it would be pure madness to think that he can beat the Ukrainian brothers and the other few good monsters of the HW division if you ask me, I would like to see him firstto try, if he doesn't want to retire (which I would like, Jones being one of my all time favorite fighters) the other good light heavyweights first.

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i dont think he would beat the kilschkos today(back in the day tho who nos), but anyone below that down the divisions i give him a chance, call me crazy but i still seriously rate him. hes in my top five of all time still regardless, yeah i no people have got better resumes on there shoulders but based on prime for prime talent and pure skill jones is anywhere from number 1 to 5 all time, sorry haters but he was that good

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You are clearly joking.

Jones would be a big underdog against any top fighter.

Pavlik, Abraham, Dawson, Froch, Bute, Kessler, even Pascal.

Jones has looked great against very carefully handpicked opponents. Sheika and Lacy were completely shot, Anthony Hanshaw was an ok fighter but clearly not a top fighter, neither was Prince Badi Ajamu.

Give Jones somebody slow and predicatable, who has little left in the tank and he will still look great, give him someone young, hungry, in their fighting prime and with ambition to actually win and he'll be dominated all over again.

Danny Green is a great opponent for him, I think it's a legitimate fight against a very solid opponent who is still dangerous, but whose skills are basic enough that Roy can still outbox him, although its not a gimme fight by any means.

He won't beat the likes of Pavlik, Kessler, Taylor, Abraham etc.

After Green the best fight for him would probably be B Hop, Hop's lack of activity and slow pace would make for a fight more winnable for Jones than fighting a young hungry fighter who actually wants to do him physical harm.

He lost virtually every single round apart from the first with Joe Calzaghe and got absolutely dominated, he was exhausted and showed he had little left in his fights with Antonio Tarver.

Since then all he has done is got older. If he steps up again he loses.

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im sorry to say bilbo but i aint jokin, you say he wont beat the likes of pavlik, kessler, taylor,abraham etc, but say hes got a better shot at beating hopkins is crazy, with all due respect, out of anyone out of them u mentioned hopkins is maybe his toughest fight, plus kessler of corse, he i think he would beat pavlik worse than hopkins did imo, maybe i am crazy, but i still seroiusly rate jones

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i dont think he would beat the kilschkos today(back in the day tho who nos), but anyone below that down the divisions i give him a chance, call me crazy but i still seriously rate him. hes in my top five of all time still regardless, yeah i no people have got better resumes on there shoulders but based on prime for prime talent and pure skill jones is anywhere from number 1 to 5 all time, sorry haters but he was that good

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You are clearly joking.

Jones would be a big underdog against any top fighter.

Pavlik, Abraham, Dawson, Froch, Bute, Kessler, even Pascal.

Jones has looked great against very carefully handpicked opponents. Sheika and Lacy were completely shot, Anthony Hanshaw was an ok fighter but clearly not a top fighter, neither was Prince Badi Ajamu.

Give Jones somebody slow and predicatable, who has little left in the tank and he will still look great, give him someone young, hungry, in their fighting prime and with ambition to actually win and he'll be dominated all over again.

Danny Green is a great opponent for him, I think it's a legitimate fight against a very solid opponent who is still dangerous, but whose skills are basic enough that Roy can still outbox him, although its not a gimme fight by any means.

He won't beat the likes of Pavlik, Kessler, Taylor, Abraham etc.

After Green the best fight for him would probably be B Hop, Hop's lack of activity and slow pace would make for a fight more winnable for Jones than fighting a young hungry fighter who actually wants to do him physical harm.

He lost virtually every single round apart from the first with Joe Calzaghe and got absolutely dominated, he was exhausted and showed he had little left in his fights with Antonio Tarver.

Since then all he has done is got older. If he steps up again he loses.

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im sorry to say bilbo but i aint jokin, you say he wont beat the likes of pavlik, kessler, taylor,abraham etc, but say hes got a better shot at beating hopkins is crazy, with all due respect, out of anyone out of them u mentioned hopkins is maybe his toughest fight, plus kessler of corse, he i think he would beat pavlik worse than hopkins did imo, maybe i am crazy, but i still seroiusly rate jones

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Ok let me explain.

The reason he has a better chance against Hopkins is because Hopkins isn't a fast, physical fighter the way a Pavlik is, or a Kessler or Dawson.

Hopkins would fight at a pace that Jones could cope with and that's why he would have a better chance against him than against Pavlik. Hopkins vs Jones is a battle of boxing skill, rather physicality and endurance.

I have no doubt Jones could outbox Pavlik all night long, but Pavlik wouldn't be looking to win on boxing skill. His relentless aggression and power would test the 40 year old's legs, stamina, punch resistance etc

Jones is clearly leaps and bounds above Pavlik in terms of boxing skill and prime for prime would box his head of.

But Pavliks sub 26 year old legs and energy tank vs Jones over 40 legs and tank is a whole different matter.

Jones has been knocked out brutally twice and we have seen countless times in the sport that when your punch resistance goes it never comes back.

Jones could start well against Pavlik but the longer the fight went on he'd likely get more and more worn out, like he did against Calzaghe.

Pavlik would likely dominate the late rounds and probably stop him.

Hopkins on the other hand is even older than Jones and so the fight isn't going to be as hard fought. We saw how much Hopkins tired against Calzaghe, twice taking long breaks on phony low blows and looking for ways to get a breather.

That's why Jones has better chance against Hopkins than he does against Pavlik.

Jones will not be able to play around against Green like he did with Lacy, Green has huge power and a powerful jab, the Jones chin will be tested again in this fight.

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You are clearly joking.

Jones would be a big underdog against any top fighter.

Pavlik, Abraham, Dawson, Froch, Bute, Kessler, even Pascal.

Jones has looked great against very carefully handpicked opponents. Sheika and Lacy were completely shot, Anthony Hanshaw was an ok fighter but clearly not a top fighter, neither was Prince Badi Ajamu.

Give Jones somebody slow and predicatable, who has little left in the tank and he will still look great, give him someone young, hungry, in their fighting prime and with ambition to actually win and he'll be dominated all over again.

Danny Green is a great opponent for him, I think it's a legitimate fight against a very solid opponent who is still dangerous, but whose skills are basic enough that Roy can still outbox him, although its not a gimme fight by any means.

He won't beat the likes of Pavlik, Kessler, Taylor, Abraham etc.

After Green the best fight for him would probably be B Hop, Hop's lack of activity and slow pace would make for a fight more winnable for Jones than fighting a young hungry fighter who actually wants to do him physical harm.

He lost virtually every single round apart from the first with Joe Calzaghe and got absolutely dominated, he was exhausted and showed he had little left in his fights with Antonio Tarver.

Since then all he has done is got older. If he steps up again he loses.

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im sorry to say bilbo but i aint jokin, you say he wont beat the likes of pavlik, kessler, taylor,abraham etc, but say hes got a better shot at beating hopkins is crazy, with all due respect, out of anyone out of them u mentioned hopkins is maybe his toughest fight, plus kessler of corse, he i think he would beat pavlik worse than hopkins did imo, maybe i am crazy, but i still seroiusly rate jones

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Ok let me explain.

The reason he has a better chance against Hopkins is because Hopkins isn't a fast, physical fighter the way a Pavlik is, or a Kessler or Dawson.

Hopkins would fight at a pace that Jones could cope with and that's why he would have a better chance against him than against Pavlik. Hopkins vs Jones is a battle of boxing skill, rather physicality and endurance.

I have no doubt Jones could outbox Pavlik all night long, but Pavlik wouldn't be looking to win on boxing skill. His relentless aggression and power would test the 40 year old's legs, stamina, punch resistance etc

Jones is clearly leaps and bounds above Pavlik in terms of boxing skill and prime for prime would box his head of.

But Pavliks sub 26 year old legs and energy tank vs Jones over 40 legs and tank is a whole different matter.

Jones has been knocked out brutally twice and we have seen countless times in the sport that when your punch resistance goes it never comes back.

Jones could start well against Pavlik but the longer the fight went on he'd likely get more and more worn out, like he did against Calzaghe.

Pavlik would likely dominate the late rounds and probably stop him.

Hopkins on the other hand is even older than Jones and so the fight isn't going to be as hard fought. We saw how much Hopkins tired against Calzaghe, twice taking long breaks on phony low blows and looking for ways to get a breather.

That's why Jones has better chance against Hopkins than he does against Pavlik.

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i see ur logic bilbo definately, but i see pavlik jones being similar to the lacy fight a flat fotted plodder coming straight at jones with jones just countering with combinations and movement, im not sat here bein a no it all coz im not i really believe a fighter like pavlik is made for jones, i think jones would school pavlik and dazzle him with his speed, as for hopkins, i think hopkins has more in his armoury than pavlik to trouble jones, with his timing and cuteness, i respect u dude ur definately one of the top 5 posters on this board, but i just have too disagree with u on this one and say that jones schools pavlik and stuggles more with hopkins.

Have to love the rose colored glasses ;D.But all the belief in the world wont change ol Roy being 40 yrs old and a guy who's entire game was based on speed,reflex and athleticism.Defeating A durable but limited Lacy does not amount to besting todays top guys....5 of Jeffs last 6 can argue the same.No matter how much some loved Jones jr....no fighter gets to start careers over from scratch.He's steering for Green.If he wins I really hope he walks away a winner.

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Have to love the rose colored glasses ;D.But all the belief in the world wont change ol Roy being 40 yrs old and a guy who's entire game was based on speed,reflex and athleticism.Defeating A durable but limited Lacy does not amount to besting todays top guys....5 of Jeffs last 6 can argue the same.No matter how much some loved Jones jr....no fighter gets to start careers over from scratch.He's steering for Green.If he wins I really hope he walks away a winner.

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i admit roy is not the fighter he was, but he is definately capable of beating alot of the champs out there without doubt. maybe im not seeing what alot of u guys see, but i have alot of faith in him, hes still out there doing his thing, and i respect that, long live roy jones jr

Still not seen the fight.























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Have to love the rose colored glasses ;D.But all the belief in the world wont change ol Roy being 40 yrs old and a guy who's entire game was based on speed,reflex and athleticism.Defeating A durable but limited Lacy does not amount to besting todays top guys....5 of Jeffs last 6 can argue the same.No matter how much some loved Jones jr....no fighter gets to start careers over from scratch.He's steering for Green.If he wins I really hope he walks away a winner.

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i admit roy is not the fighter he was, but he is definately capable of beating alot of the champs out there without doubt. maybe im not seeing what alot of u guys see, but i have alot of faith in him, hes still out there doing his thing, and i respect that, long live roy jones jr

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Pavlik is light years ahead of where Jeff Lacy is right now.

In all seriousness you could make a case that Jeff has lost his last 7 fights, he was dominated by Calzaghe, clearly got bested by Tyspko, won a razor thin decision over Manfredo, was very lucky to get the nod against Mendozia, was thoroughly beaten by Jermain Taylor and in the eyes of most won a gift decision against Otis Griffin.

Lacy is utterly and totally finished as a fighter as is Sheika.

Have a look at Jones last 6 or so opponents other than Calzaghe and see where they are on the world stage.

They have been handpicked because they represent winnable opponents for a guy who no longer has the punch resistance and legs to face a top guy.

Calzgahe DOMINATED him, it was a completely one sided beatdown. And Calzaghe is 36 and not a puncher, and was clearly enjoying putting on an exhibition rather than going for the kill, young guys like Pavlik, Kessler, Dawson etc would just pounce on him and knock him out rather than showboat with him.

He has marginally more chance of beating one of the top guys than Evander Holyfield and James Toney have, and that's it.

Danny Green is a great matchup for him, beyond that if he wants a name opponent B Hop and Winky Wright are the only credible names where Roy could hope to get a win.

Jones is like Tyson was a few years back, everybody wanting to believe he could turn roll back the years and turn in another all time great performance.

Prior to the Calzaghe fight we all could hope that maybe just maybe that was possible, but now its clear he no longer has it in him.

Let's just be clear on this also. We are not saying Jones no longer has the skills, or even that he doesn't have great handspeed. He is still capable of flashy combinations and has good reflexes, and his boxing skill even now is still leaps above most other fighters.

So he can look great against a punching bag which is what Lacy and Sheika were.

What he no longer has is the punch resistance, the legs, the tank to last 12 hard rounds, and probably the will to risk it all to win.

If those characteristics and attributes will not get tested against the likes of Lacy so Jones looks great, against a top fighter though they are tested and he'll be clearly found wanting.

Hopkins and Winky are both lacking themselves in those attributes now and so will fight a slow paced boxing match, skill versus skill, so they represent winnable fights for Roy.

But his physical weaknesses will be ruthlessly exposed at the top level against younger, hungrier fighters.

People do have to realize that RJJ is not the same. He is just impressive for 40. His speed is still there with the best of them but he would have drama with a young pressure fighter. But I think Pavlik would not be that drama. Pavik is way too predictable and would need to land a lucky shot. But any good fighter with constant pressure would show that RJJ is not the same fighter. Dawson would be a bad move for RJJ. But I have to give it to RJJ. His speed is still lightning when he wants it to be.

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Let's just be clear on this also. We are not saying Jones no longer has the skills, or even that he doesn't have great handspeed. He is still capable of flashy combinations and has good reflexes, and his boxing skill even now is still leaps above most other fighters.

So he can look great against a punching bag which is what Lacy and Sheika were.

What he no longer has is the punch resistance, the legs, the tank to last 12 hard rounds, and probably the will to risk it all to win.

If those characteristics and attributes will not get tested against the likes of Lacy so Jones looks great, against a top fighter though they are tested and he'll be clearly found wanting.

Hopkins and Winky are both lacking themselves in those attributes now and so will fight a slow paced boxing match, skill versus skill, so they represent winnable fights for Roy.

But his physical weaknesses will be ruthlessly exposed at the top level against younger, hungrier fighters.

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dawson has a better chance of beating jones than pavlik does yes, what u say is for a different conversation, jones against pavlik tho, i think pavlik gets destroyed, im not disagreeing with everthing u say but simply put pavlik gets schooled by jones, thats my argument bilbo mate

I would love to see Jones take on Tarver and just beat him like a rented mule......

I think Jones could beat tarver easy at this point and I would love to see jones beat the milk dud headed big mouth into submission.....




Note - I hate tarver.

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Let's just be clear on this also. We are not saying Jones no longer has the skills, or even that he doesn't have great handspeed. He is still capable of flashy combinations and has good reflexes, and his boxing skill even now is still leaps above most other fighters.

So he can look great against a punching bag which is what Lacy and Sheika were.

What he no longer has is the punch resistance, the legs, the tank to last 12 hard rounds, and probably the will to risk it all to win.

If those characteristics and attributes will not get tested against the likes of Lacy so Jones looks great, against a top fighter though they are tested and he'll be clearly found wanting.

Hopkins and Winky are both lacking themselves in those attributes now and so will fight a slow paced boxing match, skill versus skill, so they represent winnable fights for Roy.

But his physical weaknesses will be ruthlessly exposed at the top level against younger, hungrier fighters.

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dawson has a better chance of beating jones than pavlik does yes, what u say is for a different conversation, jones against pavlik tho, i think pavlik gets destroyed, im not disagreeing with everthing u say but simply put pavlik gets schooled by jones, thats my argument bilbo mate

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Jones couldn't destroy Pavlik, he couldn't destroy Anthony Hanshaw or Badi Ajamu he's certainly not destroying the middleweight champ.

Also even Tarver, if Jones was to fight Tarver for the fourth time my money is on Tarver. He's not at the level of Dawson clearly, with two losses but he was at least competitive with him, especially in the second fight and he beat a solid world champ in Clinton Woods.

Jones has done nothing in several years. Beating Omar Sheika and Jeff Lacy don't mean a thing. Peter Manfredo nearly beat Jeff Lacy, Otis Griffin DID beat Jeff Lacy but was robbed, Griffin was beaten up by Jesse Brinkley let's not forget and has lost 6 of his last 7, yet clearly was better than Jeff Lacy.

As I've said already this weekend I'm not sure Jones even gets past Danny Green. If Green lands on him he could be sparked cold for the third time in his career, certainly Green is the biggest puncher he's faced since Glen Johnson.

I think the Green fight could be a danger for him if he tries to piss about and talk to the people in the front row and doesn't take him serious. This is the big one for Danny, despite the age of Jones it will still look good for Green should he beat him. Don't be sticking out your tongue Roy, you might end up spitting it on the floor.;D

Any of the Aussie boys on here up for the trip to Sydney for this one(if that's where it's held), I'm not far away so it's pretty easy for me to come down from the coast.Could be a good excuse for a Saddo convention ......probably with about 2 people !

Peter manfredo got outworked and everything else by lacy. How the hell do you call that close? And bernard hopkins not having speed? He had more speed than what calzaghe had. The only thing bernard lacks is consistant aggression.

If Roy Jones Jr Hang up his gloves today....he would be noted for holding the WBC, WBA, IBF, IBO, NABF, WBF, and IBA light heavyweight championships at the same time. "Fighter of the Decade" Hands down.. age has caught up and therefore its useless for us to judge him against young bucks who haven't captured any glory.. even Tyson was once unstoppable so was Ali and the quick fighters like Ray....all in all Roy's career is quite impressive and I will not take that from him...yes let us let the younger fighters get some exposure too.. the problem is "Money became a bigger issue" and respect started to fade...
I wonder....why..

I can easily envision Roy angling toward a Bhop rematch - it's a good fight for both men, since the list of practical opposition for both is growing slim. Plus it would be a more marketable fight than some of their other options. I'd buy it ;D

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I can easily envision Roy angling toward a Bhop rematch - it's a good fight for both men, since the list of practical opposition for both is growing slim. Plus it would be a more marketable fight than some of their other options. I'd buy it ;D

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yea id agree with you on that. would be good for both, would generate interest, and i think it would be pretty marketable.
i see BHop winning it.