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I just got done watching the HBO documentary on Chavez-Taylor, where many people said it was downhill for Taylor after that fight (yes he did win WW titles but was in serious decline) and I remember him being shot later on in his late 20s.
Erik Morales was shot after the 1st Pacquiao fight at 28 years old as evidenced by the Raheem fight. Wilfred Benitez is another name that comes to mind who was shot in his mid to late 20s.
So what other fighters that were shot in their 20s?
Riddick Bowe
Donald Curry (though he gave McCallum and Norris a good fight after moving up)
Fernando Vargas is the most obvious one to me, although maybe not an elite fighter quite like those mentioned. Jeff Lacy is an even lower-level example.
Those are the only two off the top of my head right now.
I guess you might say Cristian Mijares. He'll never likely regain his old form.
Floyd Mayweather Sr.
Left leg.
Davey Moore lost his prime in the Duran fight.
Vargas and Bowe were also good examples.
Diego Corrales was in serious decline or shot in his late 20s imo.
Disagree on Corrales, he lost fights to Castillo & Clottey having been heavily outweighed, with Castillo making no effort to make the weight in their 2nd fight & Clottey coming in something like 20lbs heavier. His loss to Casamayor was IMO a close fight. He wasn't what he was, but due to his untimely death we'll never know. Many thought Holyfield was finished after his 3rd fight with Bowe.Quote:
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Ketchell...sorry its been one of those days.Ok thats not funny given recent events,and I cant nep myself.
Michael grant....what about Cuevas ?
Naseem Hamed
Felix Trinidad was never the same after BHop knocked him out.
i disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Just because he lost had 1 fight then never fought again don't mean he was shot just didn't want to fight on but he had made about £50mQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Ya, there's a big difference between being past your peak and being shot. Hamed and Tito were not shot after their first losses.
Alright just testing the waters. With that being said then the obvious 1 to me was Angel Manfredy.
Robin Reid,David reid,Fernando Vargas, and not so much shot but never reached true world level again just drifted down and down next up Amir Khan;)
Robin Reid :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
How was he shot??
At aged 28 alot of people thought he beat Calzaghe, went on to beat Brian Mcgee as a big underdog is his own backyard at 33, and was robbed of a victory against Sven Ottke at aged 32.
Far from shot mate, he was basically just not that good a decent fighter who was just as good at 33 as he was in his mid to late twenties.
Jeff Lacy
Stevie Johnston.....Tyrell Biggs,but I think they just threw him to the lions.
Tyson Fury
Good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Haha.....Some guys just dont have very far to fall when it comes to them being 'on top'.When you think about it,some top champions just devolve into a journeyman status,still durable and pulling off the occasional suprise but brought in to make another fighter look the part...Livingston Bramble comes to mind.Likewise some hyped guys just get exposed on a different level,can never take the next step.....really not to many shot and done with (legs on roller skates and being wobbled and flattened) over night?
Bramble looked sharp against Mancini. good in-fighter and counterpuncher.
Yes he was,tight defense inside.Hung around too long but should have gotten the "w' over Carr....welcome to the Forum.Quote:
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Could have been his encounter with Bouie Fisher that did him in.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Mike Tyson
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Mike Tyson is the biggest name there I believe.
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Naz was still on top of his game when he retired....He was outboxed by Barrera...Not beaten up....
Naz quyit because he had no reason to fight anymore and was a bit embaressed by the loss
John Mugabi
Jermaine Taylor may soon be on this list if he can't regroup against Abraham. He lost the last two fights of his twenties, and is 1-1-0 since turning 30. Ironically, the win is against another man destined for this category, Jeff Lacy!
Of the two, you would have to bet on Taylor righting the ship, but he has a daunting task ahead with Abraham.
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Originally Posted by jon09
Naz was still on top of his game when he retired....He was outboxed by Barrera...Not beaten up....
Naz quyit because he had no reason to fight anymore and was a bit embaressed by the loss
Naz quit because he became lazy and had no hunger other than the hunger for a big mac or two.
Naz was slipping from the Tom Johnson fight onwards, he just didnt put the time in the gym, and when Barerra beat him like you said he didnt think it was worth it to try again without that hunger and determination he would of been embarresed again.
David Reid his eye got seriously messed up after fighting Triniadad, and he was never the same he was 27.
Jeff Lacy he got schooled by Joe Calzaghe got injured and has never been the same, he was 29.
I don't think Danny Romero was ever the same after his first loss or his loss to Johnny Tapia he was maybe 23 at that time.
Was thinking Tyson at first but he may fall into that 'not what he once was' category as opposed to fully shot.He was still winning straps,unifying and yet to fight Holyfield.At that time very few if any were giving Evander a chance,openly fearing for his health,saying he was on the fast down slide.Good call on Saad.His candle burned at both ends with the Lopez,Johnson among others wars.Sad the way he went out,hanging on for so long as a stepping stone 'name'.Quote:
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michael moorer
I was going to post Tyson but he won titles AND was at least top 5 after 1990, he wasn't really shot until he was 30 when he lost to Holyfield twice and even then he was still able to win a title here and there.
There have been any number of heavyweights other than Tyson who were "shot" before the end of their 20's:
Domminick Guinn - 29 when he lost to Monte Barrett, never recovered
John Tate - 25 when he lost to Mike Weaver, never recovered
Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock - wasn't the same after the 2nd loss to Mike Tyson at age 28
Joe Mesi - he just misses the cut having only just turned 30 when he squeaked by Monte Barrett, he wasn't the same after that either.
Yeah Mike Tyson wasn't shot in his 20s he wasn't as good after he lost to Buster Douglas, hell in fact he only lost 1 fight until he met Holyfield in '96 at 30 years old. So I don't know about Tyson being shot. More like underachiever.
George Foreman. If he wasn't shot after Ali, then it was just a case of Ali destroying the myth.
Eddie Cook....thought this one would be something lasting.Burned like a meteor
Humberto Gonzalez....not 'shot' in war with Sorjaturong,gave and took.Just think it all caught up and career was a wrap at 29
The Ruelas Brothers.......Jeff Fenech.The 'comeback' Nelson event aside.
Enzo Maccarinelli and Mike Tyson come to mind
Agree. Hamed was more of a quitter than a shot fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonbrunoJust because he lost had 1 fight then never fought again don't mean he was shot just didn't want to fight on but he had made about £50mQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Don't you actually got to be good at one time to be consider a shot fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep