Who wins this one guys?
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Who wins this one guys?
Boxing fans win with this fight. Another spectacular matchup.
But who you voting for?
I didn't really wanna commit my opinion so soon as im still trying to figure it all out but im going with Cotto by a slow brutal knock out.
I fully understand Cotto is open to the left hand, susceptible to the southpaw style and not favourable against fighters with good movement. However, in Cotto, Pacquiao is facing someone who possesses more heart, skill, size & power combined than what Pacquiao has seen since the 2nd Marquez fight... at Super feather weight.
Now to flip that on it's head... Cotto is facing someone who im pretty sure he knows he can hurt. And of course i mean really hurt. And for me that is key to Cotto's mentality.
Cotto has faced some big guy's lately and in those fights, had to conceed that thing that made him look like such a killer. All that movement and flurying is kinda new to see... Okay it looked impressive to see Cotto outboxing Mosley/ Margarito/ Clottey but he ended up giving ground against Mosley/ Clottey and basically hit the canvas running against Maragito.
But against Pacquiao, im sure we'll see the Cotto who dared to flirt with disaster a little just to get at his man in more ways than one.
I'll say that this wont be the finest bit of boxing by Cotto, but he will break Pacquiao in one of the most typically Cotto-esque performances to date.
Anyone know if this fight will be on closed circuit TV anywhere in Vegas?
I picked Cotto. My only disclaimer is that I want to see how focused Pacquiao is in training. So far, Pacquiao looks very unfocused. Has a location for training even been picked yet?
The reason I picked Cotto is because Cotto will be the biggest puncher Pacquiao has faced in well maybe ever. When ODLH hit Pacquiao all of three times in their fight, Pacquiao visibly felt the punches. Cotto should be even stronger and should hit harder. He won't be weight drained because the fight is at 145. Lesser punchers have put Pacquaio down.
The people who are picking Pacquiao will point to the abuse Cotto took in his recent performances against Clottey and Margarito; and, there is undeniable merit to that argument. In addition, Cotto was cut badly in both those fights. Pacquiao may get to him if he can cut him up. Pacquiao also may be faster than anyone Cotto's faced and Pacquiao is coming off of two huge wins.
I've read places that Cotto's weakness is that he can't fight moving backward. But, will Pacquiao even fight him that way? Won't he fight him darting in-and-out? Will that be as effective? Where does Pacquiao's power stand when compared with Clottey and Margarito?
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Not me I am picking Pacquaio on boxing ability. Nobody has ever been able to do it except Mosley IMO. Pacquiao is at his peak and I think Cotto is on the downward slope. Funny I thought Pac-Man was on the downward slope when he was going to fight Marquez but he has really gotten better and better with each fight.
But then again it could be the other way around. Pacquaio has fought an old De La Hoya and a pretty easy to hit Ricky Hatton. Both guy's were perfect matches for Pac at the time. I could see him wilting under the pressure of Cotto.
This was a tough desicion but I think Pac-Man will pull out the win in a desicion.
Cotto will knockout the ugly little pug within 8 rounds. Manny is heading towards a thrashing and it has been a long time coming. I will be glad to see this time finally arrive.
As much as i like Cotto an his style (Not as much as Diane lol) i think he wont be able to handle Pacs power and swarmin combinations.
Pac 11 round TKO.:-\
If Pacquiao is doesn't win this by a later round KO, it will be by decision. Cotto is tough but I think he is going to over train. His early showing in the gym makes it evident that like De La Hoya he is too concerned about making weight. He won't be dehydrated but he'll come in lighter than expected when he steps into the ring.
I picked Pacquiao for having an enormous success which have "seemingly" been unimpeded at the moment, and he has shown a tremendous continued improvement as of late.
Having said that, Cotto is by no means a walk in the park. The guy is all warrior written all over him.
This will be a true testament for both fighters, win or lose, of course with a stiff bearing with the manner by which they have fought, and qualified themselves.
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I have now apprehensions since, about Pacquiao's chances of winning, at the present turn of events tho'. It disturbs me that turmoil that has now engulfed the Pacquiao camp! Big Time!
There is not even a semblance of organization in Pacquiao's preparations for the Cotto encounter, at this point in time. He has not even spoken to Freddie, even to just have offered his condolences at the passing of Freddie Roaches' youngest brother Joey!
Freddie Roach is fuming, altho not admittedly this insensitivity is one, and likewise, Mr Trainer of the Year, has been shut out from any verbal correspondences with Manny!
It has reached at an alarming point, fellas!
Roach has even threatened to quit altogether! He apparently has issues with Michael Koncz, widely known as Arum's asset in the Pacquiao camp, masquerading as the team's spokesman of some sort.
Michael and Atty. Gacal, have given more priority on the money side of things that have strapped the equivalent, "effort and hardwork" side to the equation of their success!
There is also a huge divide as to where the initial camp is to be set-up, before the Wild Card Gym's, for the finishing touches.
For tax purposes, that disallows Manny from over staying in the US without being taxed royally, the Pac camp can only have three more weeks of stay in the US without incurring the said tax penalties, hence the need for an initial site for camp.
Freddies choice is Tolucca mountians in Mexico, other choices are the Bahamas, and Canada. Pacquiao however, is insisting to stay in the Philippines in Baguio. There is danger here. Last time he trained in the Philippines, he had a hard time come that evening date with destiny!
I hope this is JUST all Hollywood... JUST HYPE if you will, from the camp of Manny Pacquiao, because otherwise...come fight night, he will be in deep sheeet!
I guess, from a business standpoint, one worry is for the upcoming JMM-PBF tiff on the 19th of this month to hog all the wires and presses too much and obliterate a drumming of interest, or build-up, for their own fight on Novenber 14th!
I would not put it past Father Bob Arum to be naive and fumble on a good move with this angle...not a bit!
Pacquiao's speed and elusiveness is going to give Cotto trouble. While Cotto countered Mosleys speed with timing, it's not going to work that way with Pacquiao, who has better footwork and will constantly be darting around before and after punching.
Pac's got a solid chin and Cotto has become less of a body banger in recent fights. If Cotto mistakenly tries to head hunt the smaller Pacquiao I strongly favor Pacquiao to win. Cotto has power, but not one punch KO power. He has got to target Manny's body for the first half of the fight. His hands are heaviest when throwing low.
Manny has enough sting in his punches to keep Cotto from bullying him, and will frustrate Cotto at times by landing a couple punches and when Cotto tries to counter Pacquiao is already gone.
I don't have a favorite between them. I like both guys. But Manny is on a roll, so I favor him to win.
Having fun Miles, at my expense? Nobody can stop you from doing so... except decency. At your service Sir MILES!
Neg rep ay?
Unlucky mate :p
What can I say? Sometimes, the young ones need more models than critics. It is all cool... growing pains for an old man, is all it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Good point and I agree. It is a close fight to call. However, Pac better have a good camp because if he thinks he'll steamroll Cotto without training hard, he'll be surprised by Cotto's toughness. On the other hand, he steamrolled his last three opponents...Quote:
Originally Posted by The FightfanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Not me I am picking Pacquaio on boxing ability. Nobody has ever been able to do it except Mosley IMO. Pacquiao is at his peak and I think Cotto is on the downward slope. Funny I thought Pac-Man was on the downward slope when he was going to fight Marquez but he has really gotten better and better with each fight.
But then again it could be the other way around. Pacquaio has fought an old De La Hoya and a pretty easy to hit Ricky Hatton. Both guy's were perfect matches for Pac at the time. I could see him wilting under the pressure of Cotto.
This was a tough desicion but I think Pac-Man will pull out the win in a desicion.
Iam picking Cotto by late tko.He will get tagged early much like the Judah fight,once Cotto settles down i see him landing more shots as the fight goes on and then landing the more telling shots later on in the fight that Manny Pac wont take.
I'm picking Cotto to KO Pac inside of 9. I think he'll start slow the first 2 rounds and will catch up to Pac as well.
I want Cotto to knock Pac the fuk out but i think Pac has too much speed for Cotto.
I can't vote on either cause I really don't know who wins. I always look at a Pacquiao fight as a matter of "IF's." If Cotto gets Manny on the ropes often, I don't see Manny lasting.
I'll just say that Pac's recent actions is really pissing me off!!
I honestly think Pacqiuao will stop Cotto late. Neither are the hardest to hit, but I think Pac will expose Cotto's vunerability to attacks directly down the middle.
Now this is something boxing fans want, another 50/50 fight where you have both sides debating on who could win.
I really don't think the other big fight with JMM/PBF is a toss them up fight, it's just too one sided in PBF's advantages imo.
I want Cotto to beat the shit out of him and totally piss on his parade. Roach gets on my tits when he talks about Pac so I'd like to see him peeling Manny off the canvas in around 4-5 rounds.
Pac's on a roll & Cotto is not, Pac's superior hand and foot speed will be too much to overcome and Pac does very well against left hand dominant fighters.
Pac by UD
I picked Pacquiao, but Cotto will give Pacquiao fits if Cotto is able to handle Pacquiao speed because of the size difference.
Everytime you favor a fighter to win against Pac, Pac wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
That's the reason I voted for Pac. ;D
That is quite true. Manny has been a thorn in my side for quite some time. But lest we forget, I was actually willing him on against the ultimate devil incarnate....Oscar DelaHoya. On the whole though and in the superfights I have been pretty much in the opposing corner. I've got to be right one day. I don't know when that day might be, but surely that day will come. That's how I look at it anyway. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftEverytime you favor a fighter to win against Pac, Pac wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
That's the reason I voted for Pac. ;D
i was very unsure of this fight, but Teddy Atlas picked Manny to win, so common sense says don't pick the guy Teddy says will win. So Cotto it is for me.
Cotto boxes like a throwback, he's old school and he listens to instructions and doesn't deviate from the game plan. That is what nearly did him in against Clottey. He doesn't shift his body like he used to and Manny won't fall for that and now Cotto gets hurt, he bleeds, he gets knocked down. He's formidable but his opposition has been more than tough and in one case less than fair. He can still win if he doesn't stiffen up. He should relax and let go like he used to. Manny on the other hand has an uninhibited style like a Hank Armstrong and like it or not, when he gets warmed up, he can hide behind his combination punches. I think he can pull it off he's fast but to knock out Cotto, I don't believe so. If Manny stops punching then Cotto's strength will take over but so far unless that training camp becomes unglued not that it seems cohesive now, then points for Cotto. Manny can only win if he goes in with his mind and ass unf**ked.
If you're as good as in your last performance, I would say PacMan high above after a very entertaining fight, Cotto is damn skilled but since his defeat to Margaplaster, I feel that something got broken inside somewhere and I am not sure he'll become the one he used to be.
I gotta be honest, im very confident in a Cotto victory. This is a tough fight to call on paper, but the thing that tips the scales for me is that Cotto has done much, much more at 140 and above than Paquiao has, and he is more proven. Not as a fighter, but as a Welterweight. Put Cotto in with the Hatton and Oscar that Manny fought, and he beats them in similar fasion imo or if not, neither of them win a round. Either way he wins. If you put Manny in with Shane, Clottey, Zab, Marg, any of those guys, he struggles every time, althought I suspect he would beat one of them. I dont think Cotto is "great", but who says its going to take a great Welterweight to beat Manny, maybe all it will take is a good one. That said, if Manny does pull it off, it will be the biggest accomplishment of his career and he will deserve all the praise he gets. I just dont see how he will win.
I am going with Pac in this one. I used to think Roach was full of shit but everything he says something it comes to be. In the 1st JMM fight in round 5-7 he begs Pac not to let JMM take over the fight. Pac goes on to lose those rounds. In 2nd JMM fight you could read between the lines in Roach's remarks (lacking confidence) that he does not believe Pac won. It's not what you say but how you say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThat is quite true. Manny has been a thorn in my side for quite some time. But lest we forget, I was actually willing him on against the ultimate devil incarnate....Oscar DelaHoya. On the whole though and in the superfights I have been pretty much in the opposing corner. I've got to be right one day. I don't know when that day might be, but surely that day will come. That's how I look at it anyway. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftEverytime you favor a fighter to win against Pac, Pac wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
That's the reason I voted for Pac. ;D
Roach also predicts easy wins vs ODLH (says he can no longer pull the trigger) and Hatton (points out poor defense). Now he says Pac needs to train in Mexico and take this fight more serious:
Hmmmmm can be interpreted 2 ways 1) Motivates Pac, 2) Pac not serious. I'll take option 1, he Knows Cotto is a shot fighter after being Plastered by Margarito. His job is to not to allow Pac to accept that fact.
It is Roach's demeanor that further convinces me that JMM won both fights. Roach calls them as he sees them .......
Except towards Pac, he's gotta protect his man... Protect his "Money"
Pacquiao beats Cotto. Speed kills.
Roach doesn't seem so sure of a Manny victory this time around, based on all of his comments from the beginning. I mean, he has said Manny will win, but if you read between the lines, Roach is giving Cotto much more respect than he did Hatton and de la Hoya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingI am going with Pac in this one. I used to think Roach was full of shit but everything he says something it comes to be. In the 1st JMM fight in round 5-7 he begs Pac not to let JMM take over the fight. Pac goes on to lose those rounds. In 2nd JMM fight you could read between the lines in Roach's remarks (lacking confidence) that he does not believe Pac won. It's not what you say but how you say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThat is quite true. Manny has been a thorn in my side for quite some time. But lest we forget, I was actually willing him on against the ultimate devil incarnate....Oscar DelaHoya. On the whole though and in the superfights I have been pretty much in the opposing corner. I've got to be right one day. I don't know when that day might be, but surely that day will come. That's how I look at it anyway. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Roach also predicts easy wins vs ODLH (says he can no longer pull the trigger) and Hatton (points out poor defense). Now he says Pac needs to train in Mexico and take this fight more serious:
Hmmmmm can be interpreted 2 ways 1) Motivates Pac, 2) Pac not serious. I'll take option 1, he Knows Cotto is a shot fighter after being Plastered by Margarito. His job is to not to allow Pac to accept that fact.
It is Roach's demeanor that further convinces me that JMM won both fights. Roach calls them as he sees them .......
Except towards Pac, he's gotta protect his man... Protect his "Money"
There is this false perception that Cotto is a bleeder. Cotto has only been cut ONCE from a punch and that was his lip in the Judah fight. He also bled from the nose in the Margarito fight. All other bllod came from headbutts against known headbutters (Urkal, Mosley, and Clottey). I don't think Manny will cut Cotto with any of his punches. And if he does, Cotto will fight as if there is no cut. He has done it Manny, Manny times.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
You're Puerto Rican so obviousley rooting for Cotto. Just a tip don't let heart rule your head. It happened to me when Hatton fought Pacquiao. Hatton's bigger, he's at 140 etc. You think your boy will win then fine. But Pacquiao is just a fukking animal in the ring. So don't be too disappointed when Cotto gets beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanThere is this false perception that Cotto is a bleeder. Cotto has only been cut ONCE from a punch and that was his lip in the Judah fight. He also bled from the nose in the Margarito fight. All other bllod came from headbutts against known headbutters (Urkal, Mosley, and Clottey). I don't think Manny will cut Cotto with any of his punches. And if he does, Cotto will fight as if there is no cut. He has done it Manny, Manny times.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
Thanks for the advice Lefty, and in some ways you are absolutely right. But I pride myself in thinking with my head and not my heart. I was very concerned when Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, and Mosley and predicted close fights without a clear cut winner. But I was quite sure that Cotto would defeat Judah and I am sure Cotto will defeat Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeYou're Puerto Rican so obviousley rooting for Cotto. Just a tip don't let heart rule your head. It happened to me when Hatton fought Pacquiao. Hatton's bigger, he's at 140 etc. You think your boy will win then fine. But Pacquiao is just a fukking animal in the ring. So don't be too disappointed when Cotto gets beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanThere is this false perception that Cotto is a bleeder. Cotto has only been cut ONCE from a punch and that was his lip in the Judah fight. He also bled from the nose in the Margarito fight. All other bllod came from headbutts against known headbutters (Urkal, Mosley, and Clottey). I don't think Manny will cut Cotto with any of his punches. And if he does, Cotto will fight as if there is no cut. He has done it Manny, Manny times.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
Speed is the key on this fight. I don't know if Cotto can hit Pacquiao with clear shot. Pacquiao will use the ring and will do some combo. In and out all day. Another David Diaz in the making.
"Hit and don't get hit" that will be the strategy of Team Pacquiao. ;D
Shouldn't you be off getting arrested for molestation?Quote:
Originally Posted by itouchpinoy
I've highlighted the two sentences why you will never be taken seriously by a single poster on this forum (bar maybe one of your fellow Pacophiles).
He's been around quite a bit, he's just been using his other account.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinShouldn't you be off getting arrested for molestation?Quote:
Originally Posted by itouchpinoy
I've highlighted the two sentences why you will never be taken seriously by a single poster on this forum (bar maybe one of your fellow Pacophiles).