Scroing Even Rounds... Whats the big deal?

I personally have absolutely no objection to scoring rounds as 10 a piece ,even.

For example, i score the 1st round of the rematch between Pacquaio and Marquez as a 10-10 round. They cancelled each other out in a fairly tense and uneventful round.

Now for me, if every round was fought like that 1st round. We would definitely have a draw on our hands.

But im sure a hell of a lot of... Wait, im sure that pretty much EVERYONE else who scores a fight is totally against the possible idea that a round was even.

Why is this ???

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

I personally have absolutely no objection to scoring rounds as 10 a piece ,even.

For example, i score the 1st round of the rematch between Pacquaio and Marquez as a 10-10 round. They cancelled each other out in a fairly tense and uneventful round.

Now for me, if every round was fought like that 1st round. We would definitely have a draw on our hands.

But im sure a hell of a lot of... Wait, im sure that pretty much EVERYONE else who scores a fight is totally against the possible idea that a round was even.

Why is this ???

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i'm not fully against it, cause there are fights that well neither fighter does much or more than the other to take the round, or that the round is extremely competitive but i think it should be used too frequently

It's funny. We often have threads like ''post your score card for the fight'' etc. or ''biggest robbery, how did you score it''... and it's like, there's no 10-10 rounds on anyone's score cards...?

I think i've got about three even rounds on my Calzaghe-Hopkins score sheet. (i literally have an excel spreadsheet with all my scores on it :rolleyes: )

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

It's funny. We often have threads like ''post your score card for the fight'' etc. or ''biggest robbery, how did you score it''... and it's like, there's no 10-10 rounds on anyone's score cards...?

I think i've got about three even rounds on my Calzaghe-Hopkins score sheet. (i literally have an excel spreadsheet with all my scores on it :rolleyes: )

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I would say that 10-10 rounds include either very very little activity, where it may be early in the fight during the feel out process and not many punches are thrown or landed..

or..

a round where both fighter gets knocked down, but neither of them (or both of them) being extremely hurt..

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

I personally have absolutely no objection to scoring rounds as 10 a piece ,even.

For example, i score the 1st round of the rematch between Pacquaio and Marquez as a 10-10 round. They cancelled each other out in a fairly tense and uneventful round.

Now for me, if every round was fought like that 1st round. We would definitely have a draw on our hands.

But im sure a hell of a lot of... Wait, im sure that pretty much EVERYONE else who scores a fight is totally against the possible idea that a round was even.

Why is this ???

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I agree, I don't get why people/Judges don't score more 10:10 rounds. Perhaps they think can't? I often see people saying "It could have gone either way".

I think it is kind of dumb to score a round dead even, as there is almost always something that will seperate one fighter in an individuals eyes. When you think of how subjective scoring a round is in the first place, you should always be able to find something that would make you give the round to one fighter or the other. The real problem is with the president it sets over the course of a fight. If you have two fighters who are very evenly matched, like you said Marquez Pacquiao being a great example, it might be tempting to score the first round 10-10. But what then, if all the rounds are fought in a similar fashion after this. Surely you'd have to score them even as well? Suppose the second round was even closer(no round is ever dead even when you account for personal preference really), do you go back and think well maybe I should have given the first to so and so?

10-10 assumes that there is nothing to differentiate the two fighters. In my experience there is almost always something to seperate the two. If you are judging you are there to make that distinction. 10-10 rounds should be incredibly rare. I think like Barrera-Morales I 5th round, on replay it's easier for people to see something that would make them support the volume punches of Morales or impact punches of Barrera but during the heat of the moment without instant replay it would look very even. I personally try to avoid even rounds as much as possible.

I think the worst examples of 10-10 rounds were one that Teddy Atlas did and that commentater had on TSN last week. Where one fighter is winning a round and the other guy scores a knockdown so somehow that becomes a 10-10 round, I absolutely don't get that.

I don't have any problem scoring an even round here and there, doesn't happen often but I don't have a big problem with it. Some rounds are just extremely close and the better call sometimes is 10-10, especially watching live. And also early in a fight when both guys just do nothing is another time when they can be scored that way. I could be wrong but I think I scored the first round of Urango-Bailey even, neither guy did anything, neither guy deserved it and there was nothing to separate the two. A round like that could be the difference in a fight and I don't see any reason for a fight to go one way because one guy came closer to landing a punch or mugged at the cameras better. Could be another fight I'm thinking of though, was fairly recent.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't have any problem scoring an even round here and there, doesn't happen often but I don't have a big problem with it. Some rounds are just extremely close and the better call sometimes is 10-10, especially watching live. And also early in a fight when both guys just do nothing is another time when they can be scored that way. I could be wrong but I think I scored the first round of Urango-Bailey even, neither guy did anything, neither guy deserved it and there was nothing to separate the two. A round like that could be the difference in a fight and I don't see any reason for a fight to go one way because one guy came closer to landing a punch or mugged at the cameras better. Could be another fight I'm thinking of though, was fairly recent.

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All i can say for sure is you and I score every round exactly opposite of each other.

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

It's funny. We often have threads like ''post your score card for the fight'' etc. or ''biggest robbery, how did you score it''... and it's like, there's no 10-10 rounds on anyone's score cards...?

I think i've got about three even rounds on my Calzaghe-Hopkins score sheet. (i literally have an excel spreadsheet with all my scores on it :rolleyes: )

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I used to sit down with a couple of ex pros watching the fights they are dead now unfortunatley; but we used all score on one card and would agree on some rounds and would all say :gossip: "I couldnt split that one could you?'" No ,:gossip: no".

I Still do it, I think its stupid to try to force a pick if its that close and the punches tally even.

Alot of people score for the aggressor, I dont agree with that; because at times its alot more skilfull to be able to counter correctly under pressure while backing out or taking on other angles.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

10-10 assumes that there is nothing to differentiate the two fighters. In my experience there is almost always something to seperate the two. If you are judging you are there to make that distinction. 10-10 rounds should be incredibly rare. I think like Barrera-Morales I 5th round, on replay it's easier for people to see something that would make them support the volume punches of Morales or impact punches of Barrera but during the heat of the moment without instant replay it would look very even. I personally try to avoid even rounds as much as possible.

I think the worst examples of 10-10 rounds were one that Teddy Atlas did and that commentater had on TSN last week. Where one fighter is winning a round and the other guy scores a knockdown so somehow that becomes a 10-10 round, I absolutely don't get that.

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It shows you what a tough job scoring is too.
Cause there is the other side to that same coin if you feel you are forced into picking a 10/9 every time.
Where we get some judges with ridiculous scores because they have seen a fight differently to the other judges on maybe ring control or something else they personally prefer to see.

Have slacked off scoring fights over the last few years but used to score all I could.Look back and notice that used to score a shite load of rounds even?Might be a case of not breaking it down,getting caught up in commentators or honestly in the first sheets I was playing clear favorites...had 4 rounds even in Toney/Tiberi,Carbajal in tough with Pacheco another 4 even :ninja:.Quickly learned that every time I yelled "robbery" I had no solutions,and really no difference.An even round is literally saying it could have gone either way and I believe its more often a case of not scrutinizing what little action there is as opposed to an even round being so evenly contested...but both scenarios arise.

Now I avoid them like the plague,hate even rounds no matter a four rounder or twelve.Break a round into three segments if need be.Not a fan of fights ending in draws,again some are justified but an even round is the same thing.Indecisive and incomplete.Then come the rounds with knockdowns.Think the 10-9 rule is hard to stick to with mutual KDs in the same round.To me,if a guy gets dropped hard,he cannot-does not merit a 10 for that round,no matter how well the rest of the round is fought.I joke Teddy but shite Ive scored rounds 8-7 in the past:-X

I don't see any problems with the occasional even round. How about the judge with the balls to score the final round of Taylor-Hopkins I even? In that case, it would have been nice if he had just made a call.

Never, ever score a round even, anyone who does is just indecisive. If in doubt go with the House fighter. :)

I have scored even rounds before. I think most of the time you can figure out who won the round, but there are those times when two fighter's just seem to look at each other rather than fight for 3 minutes. Other than that I usually pick the aggressor.

Only reason I don't like to use it is becuase makes you more comlacent as a judge, and I think thats why they don't want judges using 10-10 rounds very often because no round should be prefectly equal, and it would have made Clottey-Cotto like 116-117 for me.

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Originally Posted by Andre

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Originally Posted by killersheep

10-10 assumes that there is nothing to differentiate the two fighters. In my experience there is almost always something to seperate the two. If you are judging you are there to make that distinction. 10-10 rounds should be incredibly rare. I think like Barrera-Morales I 5th round, on replay it's easier for people to see something that would make them support the volume punches of Morales or impact punches of Barrera but during the heat of the moment without instant replay it would look very even. I personally try to avoid even rounds as much as possible.

I think the worst examples of 10-10 rounds were one that Teddy Atlas did and that commentater had on TSN last week. Where one fighter is winning a round and the other guy scores a knockdown so somehow that becomes a 10-10 round, I absolutely don't get that.

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It shows you what a tough job scoring is too.
Cause there is the other side to that same coin if you feel you are forced into picking a 10/9 every time.
Where we get some judges with ridiculous scores because they have seen a fight differently to the other judges on maybe ring control or something else they personally prefer to see.

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I have no problem with people giving credit for different elements than me that's why there are 3 judges.