If Marquez is clearly not as effective at this weight, how much credit......

should Floyd get if he wins? I think that it if Mayweather looks spectacular against Marquez, many people, his fans especially, will claim that Floyd is p4p #1, the greatest fighter ever, nobody can beat him, etc. And he is a great and talented fighter, I would never say otherwise. But in order for me to consider this one of his biggest wins, should he win, is for Marquez to perform at his best and not look like a fighter who is well above a weight that he can perform at. He needs to be able to do the things that made him champion in the first place.
When Manny fought Oscar, I gave him moderate amount of credit, but not nearly as much as I would have if Oscar was 100%. The credit I did give to him was because Oscar was suposed to be the bigger man, the favorite, and had fought at that weight before. None of those things apply to Marquez. Hes the smaller man, never fought above 135, and hes the underdog. This fight reminds me a bit of Jones-Trinidad. The physical advantage in size and stregnth was the difference for Roy and the primary reason he won. Thats also the reason he got little credit. Oscar-Hopkins is another one. As both these fights wore on, the bigger man started to look like the bigger man. Hopkins got little credit for that fight as well. I see this fight playing out the same way.
There is no denying that the deck is stacked against Marquez. He is not a natural 144 pound fighter. I know people say Floyd isnt a natural Welterweight and thats fine. But he IS a natural fighter for 140-145. That cant be argued with. I think Floyd does what no other man has done and stops Juan, looking good in the process. But whos to say that any other top 10 welterweight wouldnt have the same or similar result? I say that with all respect to Marquez, hes one of my boxing idols. But, again, hes not a welterweight.
There is that slim chance that he does pull of the upset. If that happens he will really have cemented his legacy among the few men in boxing who have acheived those heights in the world of boxing.

47 views and not one response!? Really!? Im not posting here anymore :mad: Thats 47 posters that obviously dont know nothing about boxing and you all can suck my c***. I guess you have to bash fighters or start rumors to get a response around here.






Either that or im just a painfully bad writer ;D

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With Floyd now missing the weight limit I'd find it very hard to put him at #1 p4p with a win, he already held all the advantages & this just makes it even more one-sided.

Marquez loses nothing from this fight, but has everything to gain! Floyd on the other hand will get very little credit for beating Marquez now & will look like a complete dick if he is defeated!

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With Floyd now missing the weight limit I'd find it very hard to put him at #1 p4p with a win, he already held all the advantages & this just makes it even more one-sided.

Marquez loses nothing from this fight, but has everything to gain! Floyd on the other hand will get very little credit for beating Marquez now & will look like a complete dick if he is defeated!

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With Floyd now missing the weight limit I'd find it very hard to put him at #1 p4p with a win, he already held all the advantages & this just makes it even more one-sided.

Marquez loses nothing from this fight, but has everything to gain! Floyd on the other hand will get very little credit for beating Marquez now & will look like a complete dick if he is defeated!

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He don't need a loss to look like a complete dick.

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With Floyd now missing the weight limit I'd find it very hard to put him at #1 p4p with a win, he already held all the advantages & this just makes it even more one-sided.

Marquez loses nothing from this fight, but has everything to gain! Floyd on the other hand will get very little credit for beating Marquez now & will look like a complete dick if he is defeated!

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Thats a great point. Marquez has absolutely nothing to lose and that should make him feel good going into this fight. He knows what hes up against and he knows that winning this fight would make him the greatest fighter in the world p4p. I was happy to see him weigh in at 142. I think he knows that he will need to be fast and throw a lot of punches. I suspect that tommorow he will be about 144 and Floyd will be about 10 pounds heavier.

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With Floyd now missing the weight limit I'd find it very hard to put him at #1 p4p with a win, he already held all the advantages & this just makes it even more one-sided.

Marquez loses nothing from this fight, but has everything to gain! Floyd on the other hand will get very little credit for beating Marquez now & will look like a complete dick if he is defeated!

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He don't need a loss to look like a complete dick.

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I normally just see him as a dick, but now he's a complete one!

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With Floyd now missing the weight limit I'd find it very hard to put him at #1 p4p with a win, he already held all the advantages & this just makes it even more one-sided.

Marquez loses nothing from this fight, but has everything to gain! Floyd on the other hand will get very little credit for beating Marquez now & will look like a complete dick if he is defeated!

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Thats a great point. Marquez has absolutely nothing to lose and that should make him feel good going into this fight. He knows what hes up against and he knows that winning this fight would make him the greatest fighter in the world p4p. I was happy to see him weigh in at 142. I think he knows that he will need to be fast and throw a lot of punches. I suspect that tommorow he will be about 144 and Floyd will be about 10 pounds heavier.

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I too am happy with Marquez being 142, I would have preferred him to be at about 138-140 but 142 ain't bad.

I hope he is mad as hell he's disrespected like this, crack those ribs Marquez & take Mayweather out!

Lets not forget Marquez is 36 years old at the end of his career and is getting a minimum 3.5 million dollers he has nothing to loose here.

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47 views and not one response!? Really!? Im not posting here anymore :mad: Thats 47 posters that obviously dont know nothing about boxing and you all can suck my c***. I guess you have to bash fighters or start rumors to get a response around here.






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:smilie_whisper: I think you said it all ,what can we add ?


Other than "Go o o the underdog!!"

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With Floyd now missing the weight limit I'd find it very hard to put him at #1 p4p with a win, he already held all the advantages & this just makes it even more one-sided.

Marquez loses nothing from this fight, but has everything to gain! Floyd on the other hand will get very little credit for beating Marquez now & will look like a complete dick if he is defeated!

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Not one punch and the discrediting is already in full bloom. Look I don't see marquez crying bout shit so no excuses should be made for him. I've seen people like clottey outweigh people by way way worse come fight time. If juan has a problem then don't fight, oscar got in the ring dripping blood from his veins and no one shed a tear, I'm just saying if marquez gets in the ring tommorow then no excuses.

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Not one punch and the discrediting is already in full bloom. Look I don't see marquez crying bout shit so no excuses should be made for him. I've seen people like clottey outweigh people by way way worse come fight time. If juan has a problem then don't fight, oscar got in the ring dripping blood from his veins and no one shed a tear, I'm just saying if marquez gets in the ring tommorow then no excuses.

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Nah f*ck that! Mayweather's a chump!

He got a lot of flack for fighting Marquez because he was smaller, but that was made a little easier to swallow because Floyd would have to come in at 144 after his layoff... now that he's spat the dummy on that sh*t why shouldn't he be critized?

You won't hear any Marquez complaining or making excuses, he's not that type of fighter & why should he make excuses? He's done nothing wrong!

Why would you have Marquez miss out on a career high payday just because Mayweather's a b*tch? Floyd should have been made to boil down & then give Marquez the option of fighting. I would have given Mayweather credit if he had of at least tried to comeback & make weight, but I guess we already no his true colours!!!

No excuses...but all things considered he is fighting the best lightweight in the world today.Umm.Marquez will take the money sure,and he also believes he can win more so...not going through with the fight is a none starter.And Hopkins gets smashed for fighting 'jr middles'.

Mayweather has already foregone any respect he might have earned with this fight win, lose or draw. His actions are a disgrace. This fight has always been marketed as a catch weight fight and a day before the fight we all find that Mayweather was a good kilo beyond that and wasn't even interested in trying to make it.

Mayweathers stock has fallen whether his supporters like it or not. Making a fight with a Lightweight was bad enough, but to now emphasise the size polarity even more with this carry on is sickening. Mayweather can blame his lack of popularity on race as much as he likes but the simple truth is that is his own selfish actions that make people loath him.

Now every fighter should put in some kind of million dollar a pound penalty whenever they fight Mayweather because he is obviously a snake who will do whatever he can to get an advantage whether we the public like it or not.

People bringing up Mayweathers last minute contract changes are failing to realise that this information should have been made clear much sooner. If indeed it ever existed at all. It all points to Mayweather never having had any intention of trying to make 144 pounds.

I picked Marquez to win purely on emotion and I'm sure 90% of the boxing world feels the same way. Come on Marquez, pull out something special and we can all forget about this Mayweather prick! :mad::mad:

This fight is not entirely different than Hatton-Castillo. The man that was a natural fighter at one weight beats a fighter who is just as good but not as strong. I know Castillo was a little past it, but he lost mainly because he was fighting a stronger man and got overpowered as the rounds went by. The sentiments were about the same going into that fight. After the fight though, the fight meant very little. Floyd will likely win, but it proves nothing. Except that Floyd is a welterweight. Now if JJM wins, that will prove a lot.

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Mayweather has already foregone any respect he might have earned with this fight win, lose or draw. His actions are a disgrace. This fight has always been marketed as a catch weight fight and a day before the fight we all find that Mayweather was a good kilo beyond that and wasn't even interested in trying to make it.

Mayweathers stock has fallen whether his supporters like it or not. Making a fight with a Lightweight was bad enough, but to now emphasise the size polarity even more with this carry on is sickening. Mayweather can blame his lack of popularity on race as much as he likes but the simple truth is that is his own selfish actions that make people loath him.

Now every fighter should put in some kind of million dollar a pound penalty whenever they fight Mayweather because he is obviously a snake who will do whatever he can to get an advantage whether we the public like it or not.

People bringing up Mayweathers last minute contract changes are failing to realise that this information should have been made clear much sooner. If indeed it ever existed at all. It all points to Mayweather never having had any intention of trying to make 144 pounds.

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People know how highly I think of Mayweather, I am still super excited to see this fight live(I am flying out in 4 hours), but what I highlighted tells my feelings exactly. What a piece of shit. This IMO is the shit I would expect from a total coward. All the shit about Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather ducking them, I thought the fights he made were challenging and worthy, this fight as much as any of them. However, sometimes its not about the caliber of opposition or even moving up or down in weight, its being a true warrior. I don't care if you talk trash, act like an ass, fight defensively. I respect anybody who is willing to come in and face another really good fighter on a fair playing field. Up until now MAyweather has always done that, but now he is a pussy. I am not going to Mayweather because I think he is too good of a fighter, and I love his style, but him renegging on this fight IMO makes him a scumball, I will hate him as a person regardless of what he does from here on out. I love the game, but hate the player. I still don't think anyone out there can come close to beating him, but this really dampens my mood.

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Mayweather has already foregone any respect he might have earned with this fight win, lose or draw. His actions are a disgrace. This fight has always been marketed as a catch weight fight and a day before the fight we all find that Mayweather was a good kilo beyond that and wasn't even interested in trying to make it.

Mayweathers stock has fallen whether his supporters like it or not. Making a fight with a Lightweight was bad enough, but to now emphasise the size polarity even more with this carry on is sickening. Mayweather can blame his lack of popularity on race as much as he likes but the simple truth is that is his own selfish actions that make people loath him.

Now every fighter should put in some kind of million dollar a pound penalty whenever they fight Mayweather because he is obviously a snake who will do whatever he can to get an advantage whether we the public like it or not.

People bringing up Mayweathers last minute contract changes are failing to realise that this information should have been made clear much sooner. If indeed it ever existed at all. It all points to Mayweather never having had any intention of trying to make 144 pounds.

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People know how highly I think of Mayweather, I am still super excited to see this fight live(I am flying out in 4 hours), but what I highlighted tells my feelings exactly. What a piece of shit. This IMO is the shit I would expect from a total coward. All the shit about Margarito, Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather ducking them, I thought the fights he made were challenging and worthy, this fight as much as any of them. However, sometimes its not about the caliber of opposition or even moving up or down in weight, its being a true warrior. I don't care if you talk trash, act like an ass, fight defensively. I respect anybody who is willing to come in and face another really good fighter on a fair playing field. Up until now MAyweather has always done that, but now he is a pussy. I am not going to Mayweather because I think he is too good of a fighter, and I love his style, but him renegging on this fight IMO makes him a scumball, I will hate him as a person regardless of what he does from here on out. I love the game, but hate the player. I still don't think anyone out there can come close to beating him, but this really dampens my mood.

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Takes alot for a fight fan to be able to admit there fav fighter is a dick but makes you a great fight fan.

Actually, forget what I was wittering on about in that last couple of sentences. The fight was for 144 pounds whether anyone likes it or not. The fact that there was a financial penalty thrown in possibly at the last minute does not excuse Mayweather whatsover. He has disregarded both Marquez and all boxing fans with what he has done.

It's not only this, but he also cancelled the fight for what many speculate was a bogus injury and now when the fight finally does arrive he doesn't even attempt to make weight. What a man. :rolleyes:

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Actually, forget what I was wittering on about in that last couple of sentences. The fight was for 144 pounds whether anyone likes it or not. The fact that there was a financial penalty thrown in possibly at the last minute does not excuse Mayweather whatsover. He has disregarded both Marquez and all boxing fans with what he has done.

It's not only this, but he also cancelled the fight for what many speculate was a bogus injury and now when the fight finally does arrive he doesn't even attempt to make weight. What a man. :rolleyes:

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He has basically cancelled the fight twice because regardless of how the fight goes or how he fights, this weight issue will loom over it, even if he beats Marquez with speed and skill which I think he will do, him coming in at 146 will make people question him. What would have happened if he drained himself to 144? Probably nothing but who knows for sure? Does it matter if they weigh the same come fight time if Mayweather didn't have to sacrifice making weight to make up for him being naturally a little bigger?

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Actually, forget what I was wittering on about in that last couple of sentences. The fight was for 144 pounds whether anyone likes it or not. The fact that there was a financial penalty thrown in possibly at the last minute does not excuse Mayweather whatsover. He has disregarded both Marquez and all boxing fans with what he has done.

It's not only this, but he also cancelled the fight for what many speculate was a bogus injury and now when the fight finally does arrive he doesn't even attempt to make weight. What a man. :rolleyes:

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He has basically cancelled the fight twice because regardless of how the fight goes or how he fights, this weight issue will loom over it, even if he beats Marquez with speed and skill which I think he will do, him coming in at 146 will make people question him. What would have happened if he drained himself to 144? Probably nothing but who knows for sure? Does it matter if they weigh the same come fight time if Mayweather didn't have to sacrifice making weight to make up for him being naturally a little bigger?

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There is no doubt that even at 144 Mayweather was likely to win, but it always had that element of "well maybe Marquez will be able to rise to the challenge and make a good fight". But 146 might as well be 147 and Marquez is closer to JWW at 142 and hasn't even fought above 135. You can't help but feel that this is Mayweather rubbing salt into the situation when he really didn't need to at all.

I will be rooting for Marquez and will be delighted if the shock of the decade happens, but Mayweather should be able to box his way through with all the advantages he has now. It doesn't matter how Mayweather wins really, he has harmed himself with this. He talks about deserving to be bigger and wanting respect, but he then goes and pulls a stunt like this. Damn. :-\

I'm trolling sites today and found this on another one that dare not be named.
Max Kellerman is talking a lot more sense than usual here talking about the weight issue.

HBO.com: Video Player: Mayweather vs. Marquez: Fight Week: 24/7 Overtime

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I'm trolling sites today and found this on another one that dare not be named.
Max Kellerman is talking a lot more sense than usual here talking about the weight issue.

HBO.com: Video Player: Mayweather vs. Marquez: Fight Week: 24/7 Overtime

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Max Kellerman has always been one of the most honest guys out there, he isn't afraid to tell it like it is. He isn't afraid to say his favorite fighter is losing. I can see why people find him annoying, but he is real. While Merchant and Lampley are trying to be poetic, Kellerman tries to say it like it is.

Mayweather struts about like the farmyrad cockerel, it's the main thing he has gotten down pat........he's a major COCK.

Unlikely perhaps that JMM winds but I am behind him 100% and hope the fucker gets deep sixed.

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I'm trolling sites today and found this on another one that dare not be named.
Max Kellerman is talking a lot more sense than usual here talking about the weight issue.

HBO.com: Video Player: Mayweather vs. Marquez: Fight Week: 24/7 Overtime

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Max Kellerman has always been one of the most honest guys out there, he isn't afraid to tell it like it is. He isn't afraid to say his favorite fighter is losing. I can see why people find him annoying, but he is real. While Merchant and Lampley are trying to be poetic, Kellerman tries to say it like it is.

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I was a bit upset with him regarding his comments post Diaz/Malignaggi but here I think he is spot on.