First fight: Both weigh-in at 135, back and forth battle, evenly matched. Classic.
Rematch: Castillo weighs in 3.5 lbs over. Diego still fights. Gets knocked out in 4th.
What a stunt :rolleyes:
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First fight: Both weigh-in at 135, back and forth battle, evenly matched. Classic.
Rematch: Castillo weighs in 3.5 lbs over. Diego still fights. Gets knocked out in 4th.
What a stunt :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
There was no excuse for Castillo coming in at that weight but I honestly think that Corrales was so weight drained any half decent fighter would of destroyed him that night at 135, but dont get me wrong Castillo had a massive advantage. Corrales never made 135 again after that.
So I think this is a big different if thats what your trying to say comparing it to Mayweather/Marquez?
That is why I brought it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
There was no excuse for Castillo coming in at that weight but I honestly think that Corrales was so weight drained any half decent fighter would of destroyed him that night at 135, but dont get me wrong Castillo had a massive advantage. Corrales never made 135 again after that.
So I think this is a big different if thats what your trying to say comparing it to Mayweather/Marquez?
You are right, it may not be the best example. But I wanted to illustrate an example of how two fighters following the RULES and weighing in at the agreed upon weight can create a completely outcome between fights.
I don't know what the "significant" fine was for Mayweather, but I get the impression he never planned to make the agreed 144 weight to begin with.
If Mayweather never even attempted the weight, we my see a drastically different outcome in the fight than if he did try to make 144.
Una cuestion de "pesos" - boxeo - ESPN DeportesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The KillerThat is why I brought it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
There was no excuse for Castillo coming in at that weight but I honestly think that Corrales was so weight drained any half decent fighter would of destroyed him that night at 135, but dont get me wrong Castillo had a massive advantage. Corrales never made 135 again after that.
So I think this is a big different if thats what your trying to say comparing it to Mayweather/Marquez?
You are right, it may not be the best example. But I wanted to illustrate an example of how two fighters following the RULES and weighing in at the agreed upon weight can create a completely outcome between fights.
I don't know what the "significant" fine was for Mayweather, but I get the impression he never planned to make the agreed 144 weight to begin with.
This article states Mayweather had to pay $600K ($300k per pound) for coming in over weight. Which is four times what JMM got paid to get robbed against Chris John.
Does Marquez get some (or all) of the money though? My first thought was that that was probably the reason he didn't seem too upset at Mayweather. Plus, Marquez strikes me as the sort of guy who would still think he could win if PBF came in at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepUna cuestion de "pesos" - boxeo - ESPN DeportesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The KillerThat is why I brought it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
You are right, it may not be the best example. But I wanted to illustrate an example of how two fighters following the RULES and weighing in at the agreed upon weight can create a completely outcome between fights.
I don't know what the "significant" fine was for Mayweather, but I get the impression he never planned to make the agreed 144 weight to begin with.
This article states Mayweather had to pay $600K ($300k per pound) for coming in over weight. Which is four times what JMM got paid to get robbed against Chris John.
It goes to Marquez's purse, however it's divided up there, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDoes Marquez get some (or all) of the money though? My first thought was that that was probably the reason he didn't seem too upset at Mayweather. Plus, Marquez strikes me as the sort of guy who would still think he could win if PBF came in at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepUna cuestion de "pesos" - boxeo - ESPN DeportesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
This article states Mayweather had to pay $600K ($300k per pound) for coming in over weight. Which is four times what JMM got paid to get robbed against Chris John.
That's good news. I wasn't sure if it went to Marquez or to the commission or Golden Boy or if it was divided between them etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepIt goes to Marquez's purse, however it's divided up there, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHDoes Marquez get some (or all) of the money though? My first thought was that that was probably the reason he didn't seem too upset at Mayweather. Plus, Marquez strikes me as the sort of guy who would still think he could win if PBF came in at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
according to the article it will be added to the 3.2 million guarantee Marquez has bring his guarantee up to 3.8 million, Mayweather is still guaranteed over 10 millionQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHThat's good news. I wasn't sure if it went to Marquez or to the commission or Golden Boy or if it was divided between them etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepIt goes to Marquez's purse, however it's divided up there, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Its similar in the sense that I don't think either fighter really tried to make the weight because they knew would be better off at a higher weight.
This is completely different than Castillo-Corrales. Corrales was completely drained making the weight. Neither fighter is drained in this match. Mayweather came in about the same weight he always does at welterweight. And Marquez probably came in about where he felt most effective as a fighter instead of trying to gain the 2 more unnecessary pounds. PBF should have honored the 144 agreement. He could have made that weight without risking draining his body too much. But at least Marquez gets more money for it.
We will see what they weigh in at for the fight if they do that(which I hope they will force FLoyd to do) He usually doesn't put on weight for fights, I mean he put on 1 pound against Sharmba Mitchell from the weigh-in to the fight, he put on 0 pounds against Zab Judah from weigh-in to the fight, he put on 3 pounds against Baldomir, He allegedly only put on 3-4 pounds when he faced Hatton who was 5-6 pounds heavier than him come fight time.
yes that will be telling. If he just puts on a couple pounds then its pretty clear he didn't really attempt to make 144.
So it makes him a cunt, but why would it matter in terms of the actual fight? Either way he is a cunt, but if him and Marquez weigh the same in the ring, they weigh the same. This isn't Castillo-Corrales where both guys killed themselves trying to make weight. It doesn't excuse Floyd for being an ass, but unless he uses that size or even has that size advantage it shouldn't actually play a factor in the fight.
That fight went pretty much as expected as soon as the weights were revealed at the weigh in. Castillos left hook was the most dangerous punch Corrales came in contact with but Corrales will and power still made the fight intriguing and it was still a great fight while it lasted. I would have loved to have seen this be a trilogy, but that first fight was unbelievable. Both men really gave us their best.
This is nothing like the Corrales fight. Mayweather could have tried to make the agreed weight but thought better of it in the long run he wanted to keep all the advantages his way.
That has been mentioned already and I agreed it wasnt a picture perfect example..Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
My point was trying to illustrate how much of an advantage this will be for Mayweather, how if he made 144 we could possibly see a much more competitive fight than we will now. I used that example to show both making weight and a competitive fight to the wash out the rematch was when Castillo didn't make weight. I posted this when it was widely circulated that 144 was the weight in contract, guess it was more complicated than that.
SC on Sep 18, 2009 11:10 PM EDT in News http://cdn3.sbnation.com/images/icons/comment.v1599.png 29 comments
"....For all intents and purposes, this is a lot like Corrales-Castillo II, where Castillo came in overweight and Corrales took extra money to take the fight anyway. The heavier Castillo stopped Corrales (who had broken his tail to make 135 pounds) early in one of the least satisfying rematches you'll ever see."
So I'm reading about the fight, trying to find a stream for the 24/7 Overtime, and get a link to badlefthook.com where a mere 2-3 hours after I posted the Castillo-Corrales II similarities some site writer posted it midway down his article. Little did he know at the time my idea would be misunderstood and claimed completely wrong by the posters here. ™
May he suffer the same wrath. I wonder if I was plagiarized™
From now on i am going to trademark my posts™
anyways, it won't matter after tomorrow.
Im going to start drinking in preparation for the bout :cool: