How to beat Mayweather?

The only weaknesses I've seen are that he sometimes raises his chin slightly when punching (not really when he throws the leaping lead left hook but more often when he jabs), sometimes telegraphs his lead straight right by re-positioning his rear foot towards his opponent (somewhat resembling a sprinter in starting position) and when leaning back to avoid head punches he sometimes raises his chin significantly without having his right glove in a position to block a left hook to the head. I'm a big Pacquiao fan but I can't see him beating Mayweather. The only punch I can see him landing is when Mayweather telegraphs his lead right and Pacquiao moves his head side to side then throws his own straight left while leaning to Mayweather's left and then turning him (the same move he landed on De la Hoya seemingly at will). Yeh I know Oscar was dehydrated. Please no "gangstah" Mayweather this and that shit I wanna learn about boxing not about your admiration for your favourite boxer. Thanks.

greetings hope you enjoy the site..I do believe as do several others that DLH was doing very well againt Mayweather until yet again and gassed, that's one blueprint right their...the key to unlocking most things is the jab.

Be a proper Welter? Not a lightweight cherry picked opponent?

That would help

Spike his pre-match drink.

put pacbeast in the ring with him, watch him get slice up til he shit himself.

I always thought rough housing with him would work well....either than or YOU control distance and pace with the jab.

2 guys historically I KNOW Floyd would lose to Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns...fight like those guys

Impressive in reflex for coming off long layoff but know doubt he was in training mode ready to grab an oppurtunity.The size,weight contrast was farcical but he got Marquezs name.

But even last night,there were spots when he showed some kinks.Marquezs straight right,contrary to fluffer Lampleys blinders,was reaching him a few.A strong jab would go along way on him.And at times he does back in a line.Forget what round it was after in the corner...4,5? but he couldn't wipe the blood outta his nose fast enough.He's not unbeatable.Take a breath.Oh and not being given last minute clauses in a contract and held to the same standards as most fighters on the scales would help too.

The size difference between Floyd and Marquez was rather dramatic. Floyd looked big and solid and Marquez looked small and fleshy.

Floyd loves fighting smaller guys with shorter arms because he can lean back and roll his shoulder to make their shots fall short while making it appear he is in their punching range.

A taller guy with longer arms and good speed can come over the top of that shoulder and catch him on the end of their punch. The crux of that though is they also have to have good legs under them to counter Floyd's ability to dart back out.

I don't know if Mosley has any legs left to catch a speedy guy like Floyd.

I think Mosley's chin and handspeed/ability to throw combo's with power will help him, but I still think the punch that finally catches Floyd will be a CROSS and not a hook so I don't think Mosley is the guy that would KO Floyd....hopefully Pacquiao can do his thing, I hate for him to beat Cotto, but anything to put a 1 in the loss column for Floyd.


It's a God damn tragedy someone so talented should be such a fucking cocksucker

Ive been noticing a pattern in the guys Floyd fights. They are generally not taller and not rangy. JMM, Hatton, Baldomir, Judah, pretty much all his opposition in recent years. Oscar had some height and reach and thats why he had early sucess with his jab, which was a good one when he threw it. Floyd is an incredibly skilled fighter, but you can get punches in on him. One or two punches at a time is pointless against Floyd cause he rolls back and counters. You have to throw 4 and 5+ punches at at time. All off a double jab. Ultimately it is the right hand and hook that will get in and do the damage. Most fighters wnt beat Floyd, but he is not unbeatable. It will take a guy with a great jab and right hand, some pop, good range and knows how to use it. The guys at Welterweight now are mostly all the kind of fighter that Floyd would beat.
Cotto, Clottey, and Berto would all have a chance because they are all real Welterweights and could present Floyd with problems hes never faced. Lets not forget, the only real welterweight that Floyd didnt have problems with is Baldomir. Thre three men above bring more to the tale that Baldomir could stylistically. In all honestly though, the guys I would favor the most to beat Floyd are at Light middle, somewhere Floyd shouldnt go and I doubt he will. Shane and Manny are the safest options for Floyd and I think he will take on one of them next. There is also the most money there. Pac is too wreckless for Floyd and to vulnerable to getting hit. I cant picture him beating Floyd, but I dont see him getting past Cotto either. Shane is past it now...anyone else notice he is slurring now?...and Margarito was garbage in their fight. It looked like Shane was impressive, but watch it again and you will see that Shane was not the same guy he was in his prime. The Mayorga fight too. I think he will fight him next. The timing is perfect cause on paper Shane is still the best Welterweight ant the fight would sell.

To beat Mayweather you need a fighter who is naturally bigger than him, If you are smaller than Mayweather you have no chance. I would also say you need to have very good stamina and handspeed that is close or better than Floyds.

There is no one in the sport at 147/154 that can outbox Mayweather. His defense, movement, speed and accuracy are simply too good for anyone to deal with.

I do feel there is a strategy to beat Mayweather though, and if i was to pick one, it would be to outwork him.

Mayweather loves fighting at his pace and in most fights he gets what he wants. To beat Mayweather you need to make it a high paced fight.

When i say a high paced fight, i don't mean throw punches in 2 and 3s. I mean you have to put punches together in 4 and 5s. That way you are able to keep Mayweather on the defensive. You have to be aware of Mayweather counters though.

You have to apply smart pressure against Mayweather and with that i don't mean swarm him and try to beat him up close like Hatton did. That will never work as Mayweather is a very smart inside fighter.

When i say smart pressure i mean you have go for the attack, swarm him with punches and then move out. In and out at all times. That way it stops Mayweather punching you once you get inside. You will likely not land many punches but it's an effective way of stopping Mayweather throwing his accurate shots thus leading to you outworking him.

No matter what though, Mayweather will always be very very hard to beat.

Cant be done, and never will be.

He has too much speed. The only way anyone will beat him if his speed diminishes with age. He gets away with a lot of stuff because of his speed of hand and his speed of body and feet.

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Cant be done, and never will be.

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He lost to Castillo already but because "HBO is my family, HBO is my home" he got the nod. People really overrate this prick

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Originally Posted by magee

Cant be done, and never will be.

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He lost to Castillo already but because "HBO is my family, HBO is my home" he got the nod. People really overrate this prick

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Floyd Mayweather Jr had a badly injured shoulder and wasn't 100 percent, and how long ago was that ? and didn't Floyd Mayweather Jr beat JLC in the rematch handily ?

And the 1st fight was very close, due to the fact JLC hardly done anything in the first 5 rounds, and IMO Floyd Mayweather Jr won atleast 4 out of the first 5 rounds. And he easily could of won another 2 rounds, especially the 11th round which was close.

So based on one close fight he's overrated ? how many gift decision's did Muhammad Ali get ? how many did SRR get ? I don't know a single great fighter that hasn't had a gift decision.

I don't see how that makes him overrated, infact i think it makes Floyd Mayweather Jr look even better, because you can only really name one fight of his that was close. And even in that fight he was injured.

The fact is Floyd Mayweather Jr is one of the best skilled, best defensive fighters of all time. For certain in the top 10 in the skills department, and he's certainly on the right track to being one of the greats of this era.

Watch Floyds fights he ALWAYS leans to his right with the left low.....I noticed this a few years ago....

It works for him because of his quickness but a guy like Paul Williams who has tremendous reach would be able to capitalize on it

People did see me type DLH at the start of the thread?:cool: There's your blueprint. If Mosely can remain controlled he has a shot.
You don't need fast footwork, you need the right footwork.

You know how he turns his shoulder to block his chin. He does this with his left shoulder a lot. A couple good left hook could get it going and then catch him with a right as he turns away.

All the above mentioned.
And you would have to study him and learn how to counter his counters so he can be caught and feet end in the right place at the right time. Straight fighting isnt going to help much as Boom said he leans or rolls with whatever he sees coming anyway. Leg flexability, core strength cardios, skipping in squats and raising up with uppercuts, continential cup a piss, you name it, you'll need it.

Right hooks as he leans back imo, but then it is a lottery with the ref. You will either be done for hitting from behind or he would be warned for turning away. He does verge on fighting with his back turned away.

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Right hooks as he leans back imo, but then it is a lottery with the ref. You will either be done for hitting from behind or he would be warned for turning away. He does verge on fighting with his back turned away.

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That he does at times,,,He gets tight as he can...Puts the right up next to his chin...The left at waist level and then turns as far as he can.....

I think the reason he gets away with it though is because even though he is almost turned around his feet stay in a forward position

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Right hooks as he leans back imo, but then it is a lottery with the ref. You will either be done for hitting from behind or he would be warned for turning away. He does verge on fighting with his back turned away.

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That he does at times,,,He gets tight as he can...Puts the right up next to his chin...The left at waist level and then turns as far as he can.....

I think the reason he gets away with it though is because even though he is almost turned around his feet stay in a forward position

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:smilie_whisper: Slip your lead foot in behind his and pull his leg out with your foot as you retreat then catch him re balancing.

back him up against the ropes. he's no Benitez there.

it's futile trying to counterpunch Floyd.

do not engage him at the center of the ring

punch to the body. that should be obvious.

I've always felt the type of fighter that could beat Floyd is a tall rangy welterweight with very long arms and a good jab.

There's no one out there right now who really fits that profile.

Tommey Hearns with out a doubt in my mind would beat Mayweather. A fighter like Sugar Ray Leonard would beat him convincing as well. I fit Benitez would also be a kind of fighter to give him trouble as well. Problem is all those guys are in there 50s and have not fought in over 10 years.

of course Hearns beats Mayweather. Most ATG Welterweights beat PBF at welterweight. PBF was best at 130 anyway.

also not-so-ATG guys like Marlon Starling, Curry, Buddy McGirt all beat him.

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I've always felt the type of fighter that could beat Floyd is a tall rangy welterweight with very long arms and a good jab.

There's no one out there right now who really fits that profile.

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I think the highlighted part in going to be the main thing, otherwise it's going to be more of the same in terms of cherry picking oponents.

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of course Hearns beats Mayweather. Most also not-so-ATG guys like Marlon Starling, Curry, Buddy McGirt all beat him.

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Why do you think McGirt beats him? McGirt lost to Meldrick Taylor once and Pernell Whitaker twice. Mayweather is better than Taylor and is a pretty solid comp for Whitaker.

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of course Hearns beats Mayweather. Most also not-so-ATG guys like Marlon Starling, Curry, Buddy McGirt all beat him.

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Why do you think McGirt beats him? McGirt lost to Meldrick Taylor once and Pernell Whitaker twice. Mayweather is better than Taylor and is a pretty solid comp for Whitaker.

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i'm pretty sure Meldrick Taylor would beat PBF at 140 and Whitaker beats PBF at all weights he's fought at.

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back him up against the ropes. he's no Benitez there.

it's futile trying to counterpunch Floyd.

do not engage him at the center of the ring

punch to the body. that should be obvious.

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I recon fighters believing they cant counter him, keeps him alive even easier.

Although what you said is true, you wont finish Floyd on your first and last Ideas even if they are combined.

If someone cant work out how to catch him coming forwards a few times so he feels some power and is forced to rethink; or unless someone can work on avoiding him with greater planned footwork on Floyds moves and take him hard in close on an angle as he turns to face back in, then he will remain unbeatable I think.

(So that said I agree; to stand out there toe to toe and try to counter with simple timing wont work either, he's too well adjusted)

Pac may catch him from on the outside off some weird angle , but its a long shot and Floyd will know not to be heading to where he thinks PAc may be if he cant see him clearly for second he will fold back,defuse the power of whats comming at him and fight to live another second away. Floyd can bend in the wind and avoid and fight off the ropes and counters well in close too.

He needs to have the ring cut down around him and cornered with a someone like Mosely.Manny has a really good chance of cornering Mayweather but he lacks in height.Get mosely in there and let him go toe to toe with him.:)

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He needs to have the ring cut down around him and cornered with a someone like Mosely.Manny has a really good chance of cornering Mayweather but he lacks in height.Get mosely in there and let him go toe to toe with him.:)

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not for me

for all mosleys attributes (excellent hand speed, footwork, precise punching) he lacks that ability to tie and opponent up which you would need to beat floyd.

floyds main neccesity which still to this day nobody has managed to cope with is that stinging left hook he lunges in with to devestating effect. Only possible way to take that out of the equasion requires both physical strength (something marquez just lacked saturday) to get him into the ropes whenever possible and cutting off his space, and excellent footwork.

Pacquiao would just get eaten up by a far heavier puncher. Pacquiao doesnt have that hattonesque ability to manouvere his opponent around a ring and he would simply stand and trade with floyd which would lead to an endless array of stinging left jabs and potshots!

A prime cotto would of had the best chance. Not the guy that almost lost to clottey and looked ring rusty but the cotto that came into a 147 fight weighing 160+ the night of the fight. He has both the physical ability to cut floyds space off and the technique to get in and out.

I've got the De la Hoya vs Mayweather fight on DVD and have watched it countless times. Sometimes Oscar caught Floyd in a position in the ring where he didn't want to be but I'm not sure if it was due to Oscar's footwork or whether it was Floyd's cockiness. I remember Oscar once repeatingly landing left jabs to Floyd's left shoulder and pushing him back in a straight line against the ropes and landing a glancing straight right but the whole time Floyd was smiling and appeared to be clowning around. I don't know how everyone else feels but I was more impressed by Hatton's early efforts in getting Mayweather in a position he didn't want to be. However he didn't have enough combination handspeed. I think Floyd will be beaten by a guy who doesn't land more punches than him but just impresses the judges with sheer volume thrown. I agree with Duran beating Floyd. I think it would look alot like the first fight with Leonard except Floyd would get alot more flustered.

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I've got the De la Hoya vs Mayweather fight on DVD and have watched it countless times. Sometimes Oscar caught Floyd in a position in the ring where he didn't want to be but I'm not sure if it was due to Oscar's footwork or whether it was Floyd's cockiness. I remember Oscar once repeatingly landing left jabs to Floyd's left shoulder and pushing him back in a straight line against the ropes and landing a glancing straight right but the whole time Floyd was smiling and appeared to be clowning around. I don't know how everyone else feels but I was more impressed by Hatton's early efforts in getting Mayweather in a position he didn't want to be. However he didn't have enough combination handspeed. I think Floyd will be beaten by a guy who doesn't land more punches than him but just impresses the judges with sheer volume thrown. I agree with Duran beating Floyd. I think it would look alot like the first fight with Leonard except Floyd would get alot more flustered.

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I thought hatton did quite well against mayweather until the ref made that terrible point deduction. He clocked floyd with a hard right that's why floyd stuck his head through the ropes and hatton hit him in the back of the head. Hatton went all to hell after that point deduction. I guess it was desperation after that and he got too reckless.