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Roach rips Floyds performance
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I don't agree with Roach saying it won't be equal pay and Mayweather needs them more than they need him i think they need eachother equally now to prove to the fans who is P4P#1. This should be a 50/50 purse and just get on with it for the fans boxers are turning in to bloody Divas and Manny has to get by Cotto first.
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And if its true about Floyd vs Marquez doing 1.6 million ppv perhaps Roach and Arum are wrong and Pacquiao isnt the bigger draw ;) if Pacquiao beats Cotto just do 50/50 and make the fight.
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Tysonbruno
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I don't agree with Roach saying it won't be equal pay and Mayweather needs them more than they need him i think they need eachother equally now to prove to the fans who is P4P#1. This should be a 50/50 purse and just get on with it for the fans boxers are turning in to bloody Divas and Manny has to get by Cotto first.
I agree with that 100% mate.
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Forget it, you will never have 1.6 millions ppv, it is just mere propaganda to foster the interest in a future match with Floyd, even the ressort where the fight happened was around 80% Pro-Marquez; They had to postponed the fight to the mexican celebration because there was not enough tickets sold or ppv sold, it is very unlikely that all of a sudden within a month, these amounts would have doubled.
I am not really a Pacquiao fan but seriously, you can't even compare one second the drag-in that Pacman drags compared to Mayweather, we will have the answer soon but this 1.6 million number comes from Kevin Iole from Yahoo and as far as I'Ve read it, nobody else is backing up such amount yet and most of the specialists are expecting between 300 to 500k maximum
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Forget it, you will never have 1.6 millions ppv, it is just mere propaganda to foster the interest in a future match with Floyd, even the ressort where the fight happened was around 80% Pro-Marquez; They had to postponed the fight to the mexican celebration because there was not enough tickets sold or ppv sold, it is very unlikely that all of a sudden within a month, these amounts would have doubled.
I am not really a Pacquiao fan but seriously, you can't even compare one second the drag-in that Pacman drags compared to Mayweather, we will have the answer soon but this 1.6 million number comes from Kevin Iole from Yahoo and as far as I'Ve read it, nobody else is backing up such amount yet and most of the specialists are expecting between 300 to 500k maximum
De la Hoya-Trinidad did 1.4 million ppv and that was a massive fight, mind you it may have been 10 years ago but nowhere does the Floyd-Marquez fight surpasses that. I'm still waiting for a credible source on the fight's ppv numbers.
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I wouldn't disagree with it being 50/50... There are other fights out there for Pac if he beats Cotto.. But Roach says "He needs us, we don't need him", well i'd say that a fight with Mayweather and a chance to beat him would cement Pac's legacy is everyone's eyes including ANY boxing expert...
You listen to any one of Mayweathers fights, and every commentator gives him so much respect. It's almost impossible not to be in awe of what he can do to otherwise class A fighters... If Pac gets past Cotto, he should go into the Mayweather negotiation table thinking about the fact he has more to earn from this fight than just money... I agree Pac is the drawcard, but the respect for beating Mayweather is what Mayweather holds the key to...
Fights like that shouldn't be missed because of money negotiations.. I think it's the fight that everyone would want including the fighters, and either should be happy with 50/50..... Arum will want his boy Pac to kick Floyd's ass, so I think 50/50 will be fine in the end regardless of what Roach says...
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I wouldn't disagree with it being 50/50... There are other fights out there for Pac if he beats Cotto.. But Roach says "He needs us, we don't need him", well i'd say that a fight with Mayweather and a chance to beat him would cement Pac's legacy is everyone's eyes including ANY boxing expert...
You listen to any one of Mayweathers fights, and every commentator gives him so much respect. It's almost impossible not to be in awe of what he can do to otherwise class A fighters... If Pac gets past Cotto, he should go into the Mayweather negotiation table thinking about the fact he has more to earn from this fight than just money... I agree Pac is the drawcard, but the respect for beating Mayweather is what Mayweather holds the key to...
Fights like that shouldn't be missed because of money negotiations.. I think it's the fight that everyone would want including the fighters, and either should be happy with 50/50..... Arum will want his boy Pac to kick Floyd's ass, so I think 50/50 will be fine in the end regardless of what Roach says...
50-50 I would disagree personally, we could go close to a deal like that (example 48-52) but 50-50 seems a bit over rated for someone who doesn't get a big audience like Floyd. Anyway, if I would be Roach, my concern would be: what weight do they want to go and how to make sure that the episode with Marquez won't happen again when Floyd outscaled by a good 2 pounds.
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floyd has and always will put result before performance
yes he probably could of looked far better and perhaps even should of got a guy who was fighting 2 divisions too high up out of there.
But its still a far FAR more convincing performance than manny ever did against JMM and if anything those that believe pacquiao has NO chance against floyd are even more justified
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Nameless
Forget it, you will never have 1.6 millions ppv, it is just mere propaganda to foster the interest in a future match with Floyd, even the ressort where the fight happened was around 80% Pro-Marquez; They had to postponed the fight to the mexican celebration because there was not enough tickets sold or ppv sold, it is very unlikely that all of a sudden within a month, these amounts would have doubled.
I am not really a Pacquiao fan but seriously, you can't even compare one second the drag-in that Pacman drags compared to Mayweather, we will have the answer soon but this 1.6 million number comes from Kevin Iole from Yahoo and as far as I'Ve read it, nobody else is backing up such amount yet and most of the specialists are expecting between 300 to 500k maximum
I actually think the PPV watch is having a negative affect right now......
I disagree with Roach's perspective. It's not weather or not Pacquiao needs Mayweather or Mayweather needs Pacquiao. Certainly if they don't face each other it's a missed opportunity for both of them to make money, but I see it as boxing can use them both. For boxing to have intrigue, it needs the good, the bad but not the ugly.
So why not the ugly, because ugly is a turn off.
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I honestly don't think Roach wants Pacquiao to fight Mayweather, he knows what will happen.
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cotto will be pacs last opponent then thats it. he will run for congress here in manila. i doubt if pac will fight again after cotto win or lose.
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Roach is funny on this one....floyd in his first fight after two years didn't Ko marquez, but no one will question who actually "beat" marquez. I for one say scoreboard and manny won case closed. I just think that was a silly point for him to bring up when he whoooped marquez in the first six rounds more than pac did in two fights. Floyd like the kitch's can be boring if you watch boxing with mma type expections for results, but as far as actual boxing which this sport is watching the chess matches are just as fun as the Ko's. Not klitch's or floyds fault for the lack of the ability of thier opponets to make these guys work in the ring. What's easier to grab a bag of cash just laying on the ground or a bag of cash surrounded by opponets punches. All these guys at this level now-a-days are taking the easiest fight for the biggest payday.....but only some get flack for it. Legacy don't pay bills, i don't blame em.
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Pacquiao and Roach better focus their energy and attention on Cotto or there won't even be a prospective Mayweather fight to talk about.
Trainers, even those of Roach's calibre, who persist in talking shit about fighters piss me off to no end. Just shut your fucking mouth, do your job, and let your fighter take care of business. I know that sometimes it's gamesmanship, but when you do it as often as guys like Freddy Roach or Jack Loew it's just being an asshole.
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Roach saying this and overlooking Cotto, makes me want to root for Cotto.
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Its wreckless for Roach and Manny to focus elsewhere,and pretty disrespectful to Cotto.I honestly am thinking Mayweather/Pacquiao fight will die on the vine over the numbers if Cotto does not make it all null and void first.
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Taeth
I honestly don't think Roach wants Pacquiao to fight Mayweather, he knows what will happen.
I agree with you, I don't think this fight ever happens and they will use money and weight to discard it. if you listen to Roach he's already setting it up so it never happens. He says ho hum to Floyds win and he blew it in negotiations by not knocking out Marquez. If Manny wins against Cotto and becomes a welter champ I don't see how they could use weight as an issue though.
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Tysonbruno
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I don't agree with Roach saying it won't be equal pay and Mayweather needs them more than they need him i think they need eachother equally now to prove to the fans who is P4P#1. This should be a 50/50 purse and just get on with it for the fans boxers are turning in to bloody Divas and Manny has to get by Cotto first.
I agree with Roaches assessment of the fight and also with his thoughts on Floyd. I also agree that Floyd is not the guy that puts asses in the seats for the most part... It is almost always his opponants. Anybody would be hard pressed to say otherwise... In addition, many of the people that buy the figth on Floyd's part are buying to see him lose, not win.
I do agree that this should be a 50/50 fight, though. Although I have my misgivings with Floyd, Manny's camp needs to see that a 50/50 fight is the only way to make it happen, even 55/45, Floyd would bawk at. Floyd is a truely great boxer but has dilusions of grandeur as far as his drawing power.
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Trainers, even those of Roach's calibre, who persist in talking shit about fighters piss me off to no end. Just shut your fucking mouth, do your job, and let your fighter take care of business. I know that sometimes it's gamesmanship, but when you do it as often as guys like Freddy Roach or Jack Loew it's just being an asshole.
Great post, Roach has been pissing me off lately, especially the way everyone seems to think the sun shines out of his arse.
I honestly think Roach gets the pity vote when it comes to the shit talk he gets away with - Because he looks like a frail, old(ish) man with Parkinsons it seems that he gets away with the trash talk.
Sorry, but he's coming across as an arsehole. Wasn't it the other day he said his Cuban prospect could take out Marquez now if he wanted to?
Well, your main charge the Pacman, couldn't take out Marquez so what would it say about him if your prospect could? Stop talkin shit
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man roach's been talking a lot lately.
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Tysonbruno
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I don't agree with Roach saying it won't be equal pay and Mayweather needs them more than they need him i think they need eachother equally now to prove to the fans who is P4P#1. This should be a 50/50 purse and just get on with it for the fans boxers are turning in to bloody Divas and Manny has to get by Cotto first.
I agree with Roaches assessment of the fight and also with his thoughts on Floyd. I also agree that Floyd is not the guy that puts asses in the seats for the most part... It is almost always his opponants. Anybody would be hard pressed to say otherwise... In addition, many of the people that buy the figth on Floyd's part are buying to see him lose, not win.
I do agree that this should be a 50/50 fight, though. Although I have my misgivings with Floyd, Manny's camp needs to see that a 50/50 fight is the only way to make it happen, even 55/45, Floyd would bawk at. Floyd is a truely great boxer but has dilusions of grandeur as far as his drawing power.
Pride, I'm interested to know why you still feel that Mayweather isn't a draw when his bouts with Oscar drew 2.4 million and his bout with Hatton drew 900k buys?
If we compare Pacquaio's numbers, they are 1.2 million with Oscar and 825k with Hatton?
Why do you think this is, if it is Floyds opponents that are the draw?
Surely, if Pacquaio was more of a draw the numbers against his opponents who were also draws, should have dwarfed the figures that Mayweather achieved with same opponents?
I know you say people tune in to see Floyd lose but even if this was the case, it still equates to him being a draw regardless of why the fans tune in, right?
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Tysonbruno
Roach rips Floyd performance | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7
I don't agree with Roach saying it won't be equal pay and Mayweather needs them more than they need him i think they need eachother equally now to prove to the fans who is P4P#1. This should be a 50/50 purse and just get on with it for the fans boxers are turning in to bloody Divas and Manny has to get by Cotto first.
I agree with Roaches assessment of the fight and also with his thoughts on Floyd. I also agree that Floyd is not the guy that puts asses in the seats for the most part... It is almost always his opponants. Anybody would be hard pressed to say otherwise... In addition, many of the people that buy the figth on Floyd's part are buying to see him lose, not win.
I do agree that this should be a 50/50 fight, though. Although I have my misgivings with Floyd, Manny's camp needs to see that a 50/50 fight is the only way to make it happen, even 55/45, Floyd would bawk at. Floyd is a truely great boxer but has dilusions of grandeur as far as his drawing power.
Surely, if Pacquaio was more of a draw the numbers against his opponents who were also draws, should have dwarfed the figures that Mayweather achieved with same opponents?
I know you say people tune in to see Floyd lose but even if this was the case, it still equates to him being a draw regardless of why the fans tune in, right?
Their opponants were not the "P4P champion"... Are you seriously telling me you think it's Mayweather that sold any of the above mentioned fights?
C'mon... Floyd's mouth draws more then his fist do...
I am not a Floyd hater, I'm just saying...
Do I think Floyd is probably one of the most gifted defensive fighters of all time? Yes... But so was Sweet Pea.
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Well, yeah this is what I'm sayin.
"Floyds mouth draws more than his fists do" - "They were not fighting the P4P champion"
Regardless of how he gets fans buying - They seem to be buying. I'm not saying people enjoy his style but if they buy because of his big mouth or to see him lose then he is STILL a draw.
We may have to agree to disagree because all I'm seeing is figures show Mayweather fighting the same opponents with better figures.
Again, I'm not saying people bought because of his boxing but whatever their reasons, they bought and in bigger numbers than Pacquaio's fights with same opponents.
I'm assuming his fight with Marquez is going to do more numbers than both of Pacs fight with him too.
I didn't accuse you of being a Floyd hater dood. Was just after a decent discussion ;D
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Well, yeah this is what I'm sayin.
"Floyds mouth draws more than his fists do" - "They were not fighting the P4P champion"
Regardless of how he gets fans buying - They seem to be buying. I'm not saying people enjoy his style but if they buy because of his big mouth or to see him lose then he is STILL a draw.
We may have to agree to disagree because all I'm seeing is figures show Mayweather fighting the same opponents with better figures.
Again, I'm not saying people bought because of his boxing but whatever their reasons, they bought and in bigger numbers than Pacquaio's fights with same opponents.
I'm assuming his fight with Marquez is going to do more numbers than both of Pacs fight with him too.
I didn't accuse you of being a Floyd hater dood. Was just after a decent discussion ;D
Nah, not even agree to disagree... I guess we agree to a certain extent. I see your point BUT, for instance... Right now, if Floyd were to fight Josh Clottey... Would that be a PPV? He's a top Welter(of course, there'd be no reason for Floyd to fight him right now... But just for instance)Let's be more realistic though... Why would he pick a prime welterweight? ;) How about Tim Bradley, Nate Campbell or Juan Diaz... All top Jr Welters... PPV material? Floyd's the draw, right? Maybe Andre Berto... He holds a welterweight belt... PPV material? Floyd could sell it, right?
Fact is that people bought this fight for the "what if" not for the "what"
Tyson, ODLH... These guys sold fights... These guys were "whats"... Floyd is a very skilled boxer and promoter that cons the public.
I will say that Floyd is amazing at what he does... He is a highly skilled defensive fighter to whom not many in history can be compared... But drawing power is drawing power... Hatton had it... Pac has it... Marquez has it... Cotto has it... Gatti had it...
Floyd is a name that people know... But most of the non-purist general public will never buy one of his fights after seeing one initially... Why would they?
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I'm seeing what you mean Pride.
I guess it is difficult to say now how he would sell against a lesser draw because he isn't likely to fight one.
I would have definitely agreed with you up until the Baldomir fight - I don't think that fight did well but since the De La Hoya fight I think they've marketed him very well as being some sort of boxing god which gets people buying whether they like him or not.
Would be interesting to see if he went back to fighting a guy who was a bit of a no-name in the sport, whether the numbers would still be high.
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I'm seeing what you mean Pride.
I guess it is difficult to say now how he would sell against a lesser draw because he isn't likely to fight one.
I would have definitely agreed with you up until the Baldomir fight - I don't think that fight did well but since the De La Hoya fight I think they've marketed him very well as being some sort of boxing god which gets people buying whether they like him or not.
Would be interesting to see if he went back to fighting a guy who was a bit of a no-name in the sport, whether the numbers would still be high.
This is true... He has been marketed well. He, on the cover, is a promotional wet dream... 5 weight div world champ... Undefeated in 40 fights... Wins over Corrales, Castillo, ODLH, Marquez, Gatti and Hatton... I mean, I see what you mean as well. His attitude is also provacative...
I would be very interested to see that as well... As I could be totally proven wrong. Love him or hate him, he's boxing royalty.
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sumkalambay
man roach's been talking a lot lately.
Better him than that uneducated crackhead Floyd Mayweather Sr.
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man roach's been talking a lot lately.
Better him than that uneducated crackhead Floyd Mayweather Sr.
Roger is worse than Floyd Sr... At least Sr. rhymes;D
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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cleveland steamer
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sumkalambay
man roach's been talking a lot lately.
Better him than that uneducated crackhead Floyd Mayweather Sr.
Roger is worse than Floyd Sr... At least Sr. rhymes;D
yea but he hasn't been the same since he ditched the braided crow's nest :(