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so much on using David Diaz as a name on Pacquiao's record, he was lucky to get a gift decision against a shot Morales and well apparently another gift decision against a shot Jesus Chavez
Diaz returns from layoff to edge Chavez - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports
Watched this earlier today. To be fair Diaz finished the stronger of the 2 fighters & had it been a 12 round fight I would have expected him to win, but Chavez to me just edged it 96-94, he just controlled too many of the early round. I can definitely see a 96-94 win for Diaz or a draw, but the 97-93 scorecard definitely smacks of a bit of hometown bias to me. But Diaz winning was no way a robbery, although a prime Chavez (not seen in about 7 or 8 years) would have had Diaz out of there early. Both guys need to retire
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.
The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?
I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!
triumphant return? he barely beat a shot fighter who was basically totally outclassed in his last fight against Katsidis and didn't listen to reason and retire, it was an extremely close fight as Jaz was saying and given the condition that Chavez is in now, that's not saying anything good for Diaz, he's garbage, and always has been garbage, any top 15 lightweight beats the shit out of him, how he is out of the ring has nothing to do with his abilities in the ring (which aren't many), it's brought up because while others are accused of cherry picking (Mayweather, Klitschko's, DLH, etc.), Pacquiao always is given an excuse (i say given cause it's usually not coming from him), 2 of his last 3 opponents have been cherry picked (a shot weight drained DLH, and the garbage that is David Diaz), and that's the point i'm making, now get off your high horse it has nothing to do with Morales, i don't bitch and make excuses for his losses, nor do i overhype wins, cause well lets face it, none of them need itQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrusQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.
The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?
I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!
It was Oscar De La Hoya that cherry picked Manny, not the other way around. Larry Merchant proposed the fight to Oscar and Oscar loving a big pay day thought he could beat the former flyweight champion. Let's not bullshit about that. In fact Oscar has a habit of making guys jump up 2 weight classes to fight him, see Shane Mosley. And since you brought out the weight draining process, he did the same to Bernard Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralestriumphant return? he barely beat a shot fighter who was basically totally outclassed in his last fight against Katsidis and didn't listen to reason and retire, it was an extremely close fight as Jaz was saying and given the condition that Chavez is in now, that's not saying anything good for Diaz, he's garbage, and always has been garbage, any top 15 lightweight beats the shit out of him, how he is out of the ring has nothing to do with his abilities in the ring (which aren't many), it's brought up because while others are accused of cherry picking (Mayweather, Klitschko's, DLH, etc.), Pacquiao always is given an excuse (i say given cause it's usually not coming from him), 2 of his last 3 opponents have been cherry picked (a shot weight drained DLH, and the garbage that is David Diaz), and that's the point i'm making, now get off your high horse it has nothing to do with Morales, i don't bitch and make excuses for his losses, nor do i overhype wins, cause well lets face it, none of them need itQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrusQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.
The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?
I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!
So basically, as we learn new things about a fighter, we aren't allowed to objectivly look at what this means in terms of their crediblity just incase it might slightly undermine a fighter that you like?Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrusQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.
The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?
I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!
Please... Hopkins walked around in shape close to 160 anyway... he had to lose something like 3 pounds? Oscar ended up coming down the best part of 10 pounds... so the two don't really compare for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIt was Oscar De La Hoya that cherry picked Manny, not the other way around. Larry Merchant proposed the fight to Oscar and Oscar loving a big pay day thought he could beat the former flyweight champion. Let's not bullshit about that. In fact Oscar has a habit of making guys jump up 2 weight classes to fight him, see Shane Mosley. And since you brought out the weight draining process, he did the same to Bernard Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralestriumphant return? he barely beat a shot fighter who was basically totally outclassed in his last fight against Katsidis and didn't listen to reason and retire, it was an extremely close fight as Jaz was saying and given the condition that Chavez is in now, that's not saying anything good for Diaz, he's garbage, and always has been garbage, any top 15 lightweight beats the shit out of him, how he is out of the ring has nothing to do with his abilities in the ring (which aren't many), it's brought up because while others are accused of cherry picking (Mayweather, Klitschko's, DLH, etc.), Pacquiao always is given an excuse (i say given cause it's usually not coming from him), 2 of his last 3 opponents have been cherry picked (a shot weight drained DLH, and the garbage that is David Diaz), and that's the point i'm making, now get off your high horse it has nothing to do with Morales, i don't bitch and make excuses for his losses, nor do i overhype wins, cause well lets face it, none of them need itQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
But whether it was 10 pounds or 3 pounds doesn't really matter - just because one fighter did one thing it doesn't make it a get out of jail free card for another fighter to do the same thing and have no questions asked...
ODLH may have nudged pacman to fight, but it was roach who set a weight and took it knowing that ODLH probably wouldn't be able to cut down to it, if he thought oscar would have been a threat at 147 then he would have asked for the fight to take place at 144-143 or something (why do you think they were happy to take Oscar at 147 but not Mosely or Cotto?...)
DLH didn't make Hopkins go to Jr. Middle, nor did he take him on when he was shot or faded, cause up till today he's still not shot and one of the best 5 p4p fighters in the world, dude Roach himself says that DLH was a cherry picked opponentQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIt was Oscar De La Hoya that cherry picked Manny, not the other way around. Larry Merchant proposed the fight to Oscar and Oscar loving a big pay day thought he could beat the former flyweight champion. Let's not bullshit about that. In fact Oscar has a habit of making guys jump up 2 weight classes to fight him, see Shane Mosley. And since you brought out the weight draining process, he did the same to Bernard Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralestriumphant return? he barely beat a shot fighter who was basically totally outclassed in his last fight against Katsidis and didn't listen to reason and retire, it was an extremely close fight as Jaz was saying and given the condition that Chavez is in now, that's not saying anything good for Diaz, he's garbage, and always has been garbage, any top 15 lightweight beats the shit out of him, how he is out of the ring has nothing to do with his abilities in the ring (which aren't many), it's brought up because while others are accused of cherry picking (Mayweather, Klitschko's, DLH, etc.), Pacquiao always is given an excuse (i say given cause it's usually not coming from him), 2 of his last 3 opponents have been cherry picked (a shot weight drained DLH, and the garbage that is David Diaz), and that's the point i'm making, now get off your high horse it has nothing to do with Morales, i don't bitch and make excuses for his losses, nor do i overhype wins, cause well lets face it, none of them need itQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Yeah, Roach is on record as saying that he knew ODLH would be physically shot at the weight and when he noticed the IVF scars at the weigh in this was confirmed to him as correct.
147 is the correct weight to fight, what you expect Pac to fight at 154? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBPlease... Hopkins walked around in shape close to 160 anyway... he had to lose something like 3 pounds? Oscar ended up coming down the best part of 10 pounds... so the two don't really compare for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIt was Oscar De La Hoya that cherry picked Manny, not the other way around. Larry Merchant proposed the fight to Oscar and Oscar loving a big pay day thought he could beat the former flyweight champion. Let's not bullshit about that. In fact Oscar has a habit of making guys jump up 2 weight classes to fight him, see Shane Mosley. And since you brought out the weight draining process, he did the same to Bernard Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
But whether it was 10 pounds or 3 pounds doesn't really matter - just because one fighter did one thing it doesn't make it a get out of jail free card for another fighter to do the same thing and have no questions asked...
ODLH may have nudged pacman to fight, but it was roach who set a weight and took it knowing that ODLH probably wouldn't be able to cut down to it, if he thought oscar would have been a threat at 147 then he would have asked for the fight to take place at 144-143 or something (why do you think they were happy to take Oscar at 147 but not Mosely or Cotto?...)
Name me 1 time in boxing history where a guy jumps 3 weight classes? It hasn't happened. If you guys complained about catchweights then complained about all of them, don't pick and choose which one to b-itch about. And I've said before it was De La Hoya that called out Pac, in a proposed bout by Larry Merchant.
Who is picking and chosing? I never justified Oscar asking for hopkins at a catchweight.
The only reason I compared the two was to point out your stupidity in comparing somebody dropping 3 pounds and remaining in their weight class to someone dropping ten pounds below their weight class.
I don't expect pac to fight at 154... why would I? That's completely besides the point.
What I do find amusing is that Pacfans still have not been able to work out (or rather don't want to - it's pretty simple) why Roach and Pac were more than happy to take on De La Hoya at 147 pounds but don't want to take on Mosely or Cotto at 147 pounds.
Why might that be? ??? :)
Everyone always considers the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos in the weight situations as being the bad guys. What about the fighters who accept the offers (noone made anyone come down in weight) knowing full well the significant effect it would have on their performance? It's hard to argue that De la Hoya and Marquez, both Hall of Fame fighters, with their ammount of access to sports science (perhaps not so much with Marquez seeing though he consumes his own piss for vitamins instead of just consuming more vitamins) and with history so stacked up against them were not aware how much their chances of victory would be crushed by agreeing to the catchweights. It seems the main problem here is greed. All parties are guilty. However I don't understand how someone can argue that Pacquiao is more of a coward than Mayweather in regards to the catchweight situation. De la Hoya had not fought at 147 in 7 years. Marquez had never fought above 135. De la Hoya had a 4 inch height and 15 cm reach advantage. Marquez had a 1 inch height and 13 cm reach disadvantage (all stats according to boxrec). On the official scales De la Hoya had a 3 pound weight advantage yet made weight. On the official scales Marquez had a 3 pound weight disadvantage while Mayweather did not make weight. I'll admit that I'm a massive Pacquiao fan but its pretty hard to shoulder roll counter right hand those facts. Alot of footwork or perhaps avoiding the exchange completely might do the trick. Or perhaps simply refusing to answer the question would be the best advice. "The numbers don't lie..."
Nobody disputes those numbers... or puts any blame on them... that's not the point... when millions are involved of course they're going to take the risk.
Sports Science is only ever predictive in matters such as this, faith and confidence further skewer a fighter's perception of his limits, but like I've said the deciding factor is always $$$.
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It's not a case of who's to 'blame' for these fights happening... it's a case of assessing the circumstances objectivly and deciding how much credit you think the victor deserves based off the outcomes.
I guess this thread has as much to do abotu David Diaz as the next thread has to do abotu Pacquiao, Hopkins, ODLH, and Floyd Mayweather.
Let's try to keep our topics a little more separated. I'm sort of tired of reading about JUST the top names in the boxing.
do we have to mention pacs name everytime? :)
who cares, only the biggest Pac hugger would act like Diaz was a big win, it was what it was, a fairly soft opponent for a fight at a new weight class.
Bit off topic but Diaz-Morales wasn't really a gift, just a questionable decision but not a huge robbery, if that had not been Morales then there wouldn't have been much uproar at all about it but he's got so many fans (rightfully so) who were pissed about having one final accomplishment taken away from him so you get all this robbery talk. IMO. A fairly close fight actually.
exactly, the point i was trying to make is that although his win over Hatton was a complete work of art, that's the only fight that he really deserves full credit in as of late, DLH was weight drained (and horribly at that) and Diaz basically confirmed what we all knew, that he's crap, don't see how he can be past it, when he really never got there to begin with :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
:lolhaha: so sad but yet so funny :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Diaz was a very durable opponent he took ten rounds of punishment much more than Hatton did.
And to be honest him struggling with lesser fighters now is probably a result of that taking a beating like he did takes a lot out of a fighter.
all i gotta say to disprove that is Ramon MontanoQuote:
Originally Posted by piye
My post regarding the respective "tale of the tapes" comprehensivley assessed the objective circumstances. I did not try to use the same old subjective opinions that so and so was damaged goods and so and so was not in their prime and so and so had slight flatulence the night of the fight. I only used official statistics to support my argument the very same way Mayweather and his fans often do (hence the cheesy references to Floyd). As for deciding how much credit the victor deserves? I leave that to the fans of each fighter because I'm not interested in standing toe to toe attempting to land haymakers in a brawl that is often reduced to a display of unintelligent low blows. "Well my pokemon can punch harder than yoursss!" "Well my pokemon can counter better than yoursss!".Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
And now for something completely different... If people don't want to read about Pacquiao or Mayweather don't. You see a thread that is obviously related to them, you read through every reply but instead of posting an intelligent comment like everyone else you roll your eyes and whinge like a little girl "aww do we always have to mention their name?". Some of you even get a little frownie wownie, stomp your feet and throw a tantrum, pottie mouth and all. If you don't want to hear about the two most popular boxers on the planet go and start a Peter Buckley thread.
Aren't you the guy who made the Mayweather calls HBO racist thread with no link or footage, that seemed to serve no purpose other than for a few posters to go on about how hard life is as a white man. Glass houses aren't the best place to throw stones :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
One thing I really hate on the internet is, excuse my language; pussy's who have a hidden fucking agenda but are to pussy to be direct how cowardly is that?
If you want to make a Pacman bashing thread go ahead but Pacman is great for boxing why bother?
Well I think he was pretty clear with what his intentions were on his initial post. Not sure what he was hiding tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It was clear that he wanted to call Pacmans credentials in to question what was hidden is why? why would a boxing fan want to discredit one of boxing's biggest names?
That's what I meant when i mentioned the TS having a hidden agenda and being a coward.
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So basically it comes back to not being allowed to make an assessment of a fighter if it's unpopular with his fans. :rolleyes:
Listen, if you want to base your analysis of a fight on nothing more than a fighter's "tale of the tape" stats then that's your call.Quote:
Originally Posted by jahmezMy post regarding the respective "tale of the tapes" comprehensivley assessed the objective circumstances. I did not try to use the same old subjective opinions that so and so was damaged goods and so and so was not in their prime and so and so had slight flatulence the night of the fight. I only used official statistics to support my argument the very same way Mayweather and his fans often do (hence the cheesy references to Floyd). As for deciding how much credit the victor deserves? I leave that to the fans of each fighter because I'm not interested in standing toe to toe attempting to land haymakers in a brawl that is often reduced to a display of unintelligent low blows. "Well my pokemon can punch harder than yoursss!" "Well my pokemon can counter better than yoursss!".Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I find it ironic that you're talking about pokemon cards but by limiting the factors that you're using to assess the stock of a fighters victory to merely the tale of the tape you're essentially reducing boxing to a game of top trumps.
Factors such as Oscar de La Hoya being so drained it took an IV drip to rehydrate him are not opinions as you called them... but facts, unfortunately these facts aren't going to be popular with pac fanboys so they choose to ignore them because they want to milk as much out of a win as they possibly can
(it should be noted that Pac DOES deserve credit for beating ODLH... unfortunatly if you try to question exactly how much then pac fanboys will try and act like you are saying he deserves none at all... "but how many boxers have moved up this much" etc etc... that's not the point!)
I see nothing wrong with making your own, educated opinion of a fighter based on different factors. There's a lot of talk about agendas in this thread.. but the people with agendas are the ones who chose to omit certain facts from themselves to protect 'their' fighter.
ODLH being drained takes only a small bit of credit from Pac... so choosing to ignore facts like that stinks of either being scared to make your own opinion or simply not wanting to make one which wouldn't suit your fighter.
I never gave credit to Pacquiao in my posts.Not once.I made it clear that my posts had nothing to do with "deciding how much credit you think the victor deserves based off the outcomes" as you put it.I made it clear from the very start that my posts were in regards to people arguing that "Pacquiao is more of a coward than Mayweather in regards to the cathweight situation".The reason why I only mentioned the "tale of the tape" is because once again my post is about the catchweight situation.Pacquiao and Mayweather are responsible for offering the catchweights.Pacquiao had nothing to do with Oscar de La Hoya choosing to be "so drained it took an IV drip to rehydrate him".Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Here's my opinion.ODLH being drained takes a large bit of credit from Pac. Jumping two classes and coming in the heaviest he has ever weighed,bringing the fight all night,trying to KO and eventually TKOing the much bigger man who was the -165 favourite gives a large bit of that credit back.Marquez jumping two weight classes coming in the heaviest he has ever weighed takes away a large bit of credit from Mayweather.Countering, scoring 1 KD and winning by UD against the much smaller man who was the +353 underdog gives a small bit of that credit back.Choosing to ignore a catchweight that was already a monumental challenge for the little man takes that small bit of credit and intergrity back.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I've always been a big fan of your posts and respected them as much as Chris Nagel's, Scrap's and Andre's so calling me a "pac fanboy" for no reason and taking my posts out of context was suprising.Looks like those low blows were inevitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
exactly, who gives a shit if he's one of boxing's biggest names, the fact that he's being blown up to be a god-like figure not only by some of his fans but sportswriters is ridiculous, like i said, only 1 of his last 3 wins really meant something, DLH and Diaz were basically cherry picked opponents no different than Mayweather, his only meaningful win as of late that he should get full credit for is Hatton, and what a win it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB^
So basically it comes back to not being allowed to make an assessment of a fighter if it's unpopular with his fans. :rolleyes:
Listen, if you want to base your analysis of a fight on nothing more than a fighter's "tale of the tape" stats then that's your call.Quote:
Originally Posted by jahmezMy post regarding the respective "tale of the tapes" comprehensivley assessed the objective circumstances. I did not try to use the same old subjective opinions that so and so was damaged goods and so and so was not in their prime and so and so had slight flatulence the night of the fight. I only used official statistics to support my argument the very same way Mayweather and his fans often do (hence the cheesy references to Floyd). As for deciding how much credit the victor deserves? I leave that to the fans of each fighter because I'm not interested in standing toe to toe attempting to land haymakers in a brawl that is often reduced to a display of unintelligent low blows. "Well my pokemon can punch harder than yoursss!" "Well my pokemon can counter better than yoursss!".Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I find it ironic that you're talking about pokemon cards but by limiting the factors that you're using to assess the stock of a fighters victory to merely the tale of the tape you're essentially reducing boxing to a game of top trumps.
Factors such as Oscar de La Hoya being so drained it took an IV drip to rehydrate him are not opinions as you called them... but facts, unfortunately these facts aren't going to be popular with pac fanboys so they choose to ignore them because they want to milk as much out of a win as they possibly can
(it should be noted that Pac DOES deserve credit for beating ODLH... unfortunatly if you try to question exactly how much then pac fanboys will try and act like you are saying he deserves none at all... "but how many boxers have moved up this much" etc etc... that's not the point!)
I see nothing wrong with making your own, educated opinion of a fighter based on different factors. There's a lot of talk about agendas in this thread.. but the people with agendas are the ones who chose to omit certain facts from themselves to protect 'their' fighter.
ODLH being drained takes only a small bit of credit from Pac... so choosing to ignore facts like that stinks of either being scared to make your own opinion or simply not wanting to make one which wouldn't suit your fighter.
so what ur saying is pbf and pac had handpicked weak opponents thus should not be given the praise they are getting. those are two of the most known fighters in boxing and they dont deserve it. is it safe to say that boxing knowadays aint worth shiet? ofcourse there are other boxer out there but this are two of the best nowadays.
no, they don't deserve the praise of being considered top 20 p4p ATG much less top 10 p4p ATG, hell and popularity doesn't mean shit when it comes to their place in history, if so Mike Tyson and Oscar De La Hoya would have easily be top 5 p4p easy, and anyone who knows two shits of boxing knows that that couldn't be farther from the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
are Pacquiao and Mayweather great talents? without a doubt
have either done enough to even be considered greatest of all time? no, not even close, both have hand picked plenty of their opponents at the right time to make them look great, key examples, Mayweather/Marquez and Pacquiao/DLH, both have taken on bums when there was a live opponent available in that given weight class, Mayweather/Brusseles when it could have been Mayweather/Hatton or Mayweather/Tszyu and Pacquiao/Diaz when it could have been Pacquiao/ Juan Diaz or Pacquiao/Katsidis
there's not much of a difference between Pacquiao and Mayweather, besides the fact that one is leaps and bounds more talented (Floyd), and the other is usually more entertaining (Manny)
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesno, they don't deserve the praise of being considered top 20 p4p ATG much less top 10 p4p ATG, hell and popularity doesn't mean shit when it comes to their place in history, if so Mike Tyson and Oscar De La Hoya would have easily be top 5 p4p easy, and anyone who knows two shits of boxing knows that that couldn't be farther from the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10
are Pacquiao and Mayweather great talents? without a doubt
have either done enough to even be considered greatest of all time? no, not even close, both have hand picked plenty of their opponents at the right time to make them look great, key examples, Mayweather/Marquez and Pacquiao/DLH, both have taken on bums when there was a live opponent available in that given weight class, Mayweather/Brusseles when it could have been Mayweather/Hatton or Mayweather/Tszyu and Pacquiao/Diaz when it could have been Pacquiao/ Juan Diaz or Pacquiao/Katsidis
there's not much of a difference between Pacquiao and Mayweather, besides the fact that one is leaps and bounds more talented (Floyd), and the other is usually more entertaining (Manny)
Just get over it Elterrible... its just a waste of your time mate.. both pac and pbf are nothing to you.. they are good boxers happens to be in the right time at the right place.. both fought a meaningless fight so are the other 10,000+++ boxers around the world.. just rate them where you want..
"no, they don't deserve the praise of being considered top 20 p4p ATG much less top 10 p4p ATG" ElTerribleMorales
Noone ever said they were in this thread. Not once.
both you and pro-moron, are just that morons, pretty dense reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by jahmez
No need to be always combative ElTerrible. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesboth you and pro-moron, are just that morons, pretty dense reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by jahmez
Moron? Your a bum bum head!Quote:
Originally Posted by jahmez
hey how old are you kid.. grow up.. you're acting like a baby.. f*ckin idiot..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesboth you and pro-moron, are just that morons, pretty dense reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by jahmez
funny how you guys like to dish out the insults when anyone questions your all mighty Pacquiao, yet can't handle it when it comes full force back at you :rolleyes: pretty pathetic bunch reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by antimoronhey how old are you kid.. grow up.. you're acting like a baby.. f*ckin idiot..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesboth you and pro-moron, are just that morons, pretty dense reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by jahmez
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfunny how you guys like to dish out the insults when anyone questions your all mighty Pacquiao, yet can't handle it when it comes full force back at you :rolleyes: pretty pathetic bunch reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by antimoronhey how old are you kid.. grow up.. you're acting like a baby.. f*ckin idiot..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
hey im not a pac nutsh*t nor pbf lover either.. im only countering your insult on both fighter.. i did not insult you kid.. you're the one calling names around here.. pathetic.. you yourself can't handle debate the mature way.. go to your school kid i think you have classes today..
hahaha son you didn't read half of the thread and come here bitching what i said, if you don't like what i have to say, well too bad cause i'm gonna say it anyways, and the fact is that both Mayweather and Pacquiao are premadonnas and try to make their record look better than it actually is, both are great fighters (like i said) but that's for the bunch of fighters that are around today, neither Floyd nor Manny have got shit on the likes of Whitaker, Robinson, Ali, Arguello, Louis, etc., fighters that are TRUELY top 20 p4p ATG material, Mayweather and Pacquiao don't come close to that, sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by antimoronQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfunny how you guys like to dish out the insults when anyone questions your all mighty Pacquiao, yet can't handle it when it comes full force back at you :rolleyes: pretty pathetic bunch reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by antimoron
hey im not a pac nutsh*t nor pbf lover either.. im only countering your insult on both fighter.. i did not insult you kid.. you're the one calling names around here.. pathetic.. you yourself can't handle debate the mature way.. go to your school kid i think you have classes today..
primadonna like you.. jajaja.. tu es stupido..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshahaha son you didn't read half of the thread and come here bitching what i said, if you don't like what i have to say, well too bad cause i'm gonna say it anyways, and the fact is that both Mayweather and Pacquiao are premadonnas and try to make their record look better than it actually is, both are great fighters (like i said) but that's for the bunch of fighters that are around today, neither Floyd nor Manny have got shit on the likes of Whitaker, Robinson, Ali, Arguello, Louis, etc., fighters that are TRUELY top 20 p4p ATG material, Mayweather and Pacquiao don't come close to that, sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by antimoronQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
hey im not a pac nutsh*t nor pbf lover either.. im only countering your insult on both fighter.. i did not insult you kid.. you're the one calling names around here.. pathetic.. you yourself can't handle debate the mature way.. go to your school kid i think you have classes today..