Will Pacquiao duck Mayweather?

I don't see how this fight is possible with Arum as Pacquiao's promoter.

It seems as if they didn't want a peice of Mayweather when he called Pacquiao out & offered Marquez one million to step aside, because they didn't even issue a statement.

I can't see how they would want the fight now that Mayweather dismantled the guy who gave Pacquiao the most fits in their 2 fights.

The general opinion is that Pacquiao would be outclassed over 12 rounds and i'm sure Arum doesn't want to see his cash cow take an L while having to split the profits with another promotional company.

Do you guys think Arum will let Pacquiao in the ring with Mayweather?

Well, even if Pac's team doesn't want to take the loss they have to take this fight if they beat Cotto. The demand would be too high and the ridiculous money it would bring makes this a must make fight.

Duck isn't the right word. That's like asking if Shane Mosley will duck Mikkel Kessler.

If Pacquiao beats Cotto they will definitely fight because of the money.

Mayweather never called out Pacquiao.
Mayweather would beat Pacquiao based purely on what he did to Marquez. Pacquiao will beat Mayweather based purely on what he did to De la Hoya. Catchweights, different styles.
They'll both duck each other until they both suffer notable defeats and their "pound for pound" status is questioned. Mayweather is ducking Mosely Mayweather Says Mosley Missed His Chance, Twice - Boxing News. If Pacquiao beats Cotto he will duck Mosely unless he agrees to pugilistic prostitution (catchweight). He knows he'll be fucked but hey! he's gettin' paid.
Valero claims that he is guaranteed a fight with Pacquiao unless Pacquiao retires Edwin Valero vs. Manny Pacquiao | Edwin Valero. Arum tried to get Soto vs. Valero on the Pacquiao vs. Cotto undercard but failed Edwin Valero denied a work visa, won't be on Cotto-Pacquiao undercard - Bad Left Hook.

I'm gonna make a prediction. If Pacquiao beats Cotto he and Mayweather will duck each other during negotiation using the purse split as an excuse. If Mosley beats Berto Mayweather will continue to duck him. A desperate Mosley will accept a catchweight offer by Pacquiao stipulating that the fight will be cancelled should Mosley fail to make weight (142). Pacquiao will beat a severely weight drained Mosley. Mayweather will fight Mosley. Pacquiao will then fight Valero in the Phillipines to garner support for his next election campaign, expose and KO Valero in the fifth round, retire and become a puppet of the corrupt political forces which riddle my ancestor's homeland.

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Mayweather never called out Pacquiao.
Mayweather would beat Pacquiao based purely on what he did to Marquez. Pacquiao will beat Mayweather based purely on what he did to De la Hoya. Catchweights, different styles.
They'll both duck each other until they both suffer notable defeats and their "pound for pound" status is questioned. Mayweather is ducking Mosely Mayweather Says Mosley Missed His Chance, Twice - Boxing News. If Pacquiao beats Cotto he will duck Mosely unless he agrees to pugilistic prostitution (catchweight). He knows he'll be fucked but hey! he's gettin' paid.
Valero claims that he is guaranteed a fight with Pacquiao unless Pacquiao retires Edwin Valero vs. Manny Pacquiao | Edwin Valero. Arum tried to get Soto vs. Valero on the Pacquiao vs. Cotto undercard but failed Edwin Valero denied a work visa, won't be on Cotto-Pacquiao*undercard - Bad Left Hook.

I'm gonna make a prediction. If Pacquiao beats Cotto he and Mayweather will duck each other during negotiation using the purse split as an excuse. If Mosley beats Berto Mayweather will continue to duck him. A desperate Mosley will accept a catchweight offer by Pacquiao stipulating that the fight will be cancelled should Mosley fail to make weight (142). Pacquiao will beat a severely weight drained Mosley. Mayweather will fight Mosley. Pacquiao will then fight Valero in the Phillipines to garner support for his next election campaign, expose and KO Valero in the fifth round, retire and become a puppet of the corrupt political forces which riddle my ancestor's homeland.

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That's very stream of conscious of you. Let's see if PAC can beat Cotto and how he looks in victory or defeat before judging future propositions.

This is one of those extremely hard to make fights

we all spent years calling for floyd-cotto but because of floyds heavyhanded bargaining it just never happened.

Floyd-mosley just makes so much sense because you can rest assured if either manny or cotto blow eachother out inside 5rounds mayweather isnt gonna want no part of that.

Arum has been a massive part of mannys success. He sees a big named fighter on the way down and throws his boy in. Cotto isnt the same man that fought sugar and zab. His reflexes have shortened and thats the reason this fight is happening!!

I don't think Pacquiao really has a say in his corner, I think he would fight Cotto or MOsley at 147, but his trainer and promoter wouldn't allow that. IMO Pacquiao would face Mayweather, the guy is fearless and loves to go to battle, but I think deep in Freddie Roach and Bob Arum's hearts they know that Manny would lose to Mayweather. Mayweather not only matches Pacquiao in speed, but he far surpasses him in skill. In retrospect I am not sure if Mayweather is actually scared to fight anyone if the right money is available, I think he is a pussy for caring so much about just money, but as long as money is there I think Floyd believes he can beat anyone in the sport relatively easily(and he could be right). So if Mosley faces Berto like it looks like will happen in early 2010, and if the winner of Cotto-Pacquiao gains a lot of publicity then MAyweather will likely face the winner of either contest.

I think the names are the wrong way round in the thread title ;)

Since when has Pac ducked anybody?

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I think the names are the wrong way round in the thread title ;)

Since when has Pac ducked anybody?

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he took the fight with hatton because he saw flaws in ricky that werent there a few years back. The exact same thing has now happened with cotto

pac doesnt duck a challenge and never has. But his opponents are extremely well picked by arum

Had floyd of looked the slightest bit jagged towards the end of the marquez fight arum would already be making the calls right now preying pac gets through cotto so he can take out floyd

In light of floyds brilliance its just gonna be interesting if pac can find a way past cotto whether arum and roach will really put their money where their mouth is and stick pacquiao in with mayweather!!

Pac wont duck anyone. But i dont think Roach or Arum wants him to fight Mayweather.

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I don't see how this fight is possible with Arum as Pacquiao's promoter.

It seems as if they didn't want a peice of Mayweather when he called Pacquiao out & offered Marquez one million to step aside, because they didn't even issue a statement.

I can't see how they would want the fight now that Mayweather dismantled the guy who gave Pacquiao the most fits in their 2 fights.

The general opinion is that Pacquiao would be outclassed over 12 rounds and i'm sure Arum doesn't want to see his cash cow take an L while having to split the profits with another promotional company.

Do you guys think Arum will let Pacquiao in the ring with Mayweather?

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This is nonsense! you act like Pacquiao and arum are scared little girls. Arum likes to see exciting fights (thats the reason he bashes floyd the way he does.) As far as Pacquiao being outclassed that is ignorance. Pacquiao is every bit as fast as Mayweather and he has a strong will to win! Marquez didnt take the weight change near as well as Manny and to say Mayweather beat Marquez easily so he will beat Pacquiao easily shows your novice. Styles make fights.

and if pac ducks opponents why in the hell did he fought jmm again? based on the first fight, pac knew jmm is a nightmare style wise. people might say well cause money can be made if they fought again. if thats the case pac does not duck anyone even if he and the team know they might lose.

pac duck

pac chicken

pac cow

pac horse

pac s*it

what the hell.. Cotto is around the corner and armed with two heavy fist that can knock anybody..

IF Pac beats Cotto and negotiations begin January of next year they will probably get finished and have the fight scheduled around the 2012 Olympics just in time to say the winner is ducking James Kirkland (who will be just getting out of prison).

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I think the names are the wrong way round in the thread title ;)

Since when has Pac ducked anybody?

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he took the fight with hatton because he saw flaws in ricky that werent there a few years back. The exact same thing has now happened with cotto

pac doesnt duck a challenge and never has. But his opponents are extremely well picked by arum

Had floyd of looked the slightest bit jagged towards the end of the marquez fight arum would already be making the calls right now preying pac gets through cotto so he can take out floyd

In light of floyds brilliance its just gonna be interesting if pac can find a way past cotto whether arum and roach will really put their money where their mouth is and stick pacquiao in with mayweather!!

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Hatton didn't look flawed when he fought Paulie, I think PAcquiao's style was better suited against Hatton, and the version of Oscar that he faced. After seeing Mayweather-Marquez I have my doubts about where Oscar was in that fight with Pacquiao because his durability couldn't have been up there if he weighed less than Manny coming into the fight.

When Pacquiao uses a catchweight to weaken a fighter's chances I understand the criticism but I don't see anything wrong with capitalizing on any flaws you see in the IBO and Ring Magazine Junior Welterweight Champion who is undefeated at 140. So because you discover that he is succeptible to hooks while coming in you duck him and get more credit?

Duck mayweather ?!! Of course not. He'll fight him, and thanks to floyd himself giving us another 24/7 many will pay beliving PAC has a chance. Floyd will beat him like everyone else they both will cash their checks and we'll move on to the next " supposed " to be floyd beater. He'll it changes every week, margo ,cotto, whoever doesn't matter really. The only reason floyd came back was to make easy money beating these random guys fans pick as thier hero. Beating up on these small guys was just to easy to pass up.

If Pacquiao demands 50% or more than he would clearly be ducking Mayweather.

If anybody were to duck anyone I would expect it to be Floyd doing the ducking, but if it meant "ducking" Pacquiao to fight Mosely then I would be more than happy. If it is to fight anybody else then Mayweather confirms all my worst suspicions and that he is indeed a hyena.

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If Pacquiao demands 50% or more than he would clearly be ducking Mayweather.

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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I think the names are the wrong way round in the thread title ;)

Since when has Pac ducked anybody?

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Agree. I guess Pacquiao will never duck anyone.. or not just yet.

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If Pacquiao demands 50% or more than he would clearly be ducking Mayweather.

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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Whats wrong with what VD said?

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If Pacquiao demands 50% or more than he would clearly be ducking Mayweather.

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Whats wrong with what VD said?

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His dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.

Obviously the title is to get attention.

As stated in the original post, I think Arum (not Pacquiao personally) will want to avoid Mayweather in the event that Pacquiao wins.

I can kind of see him giving up Cotto, in the event he gets past Pacquiao, because Cotto is somewhat of a regional draw, bigger (as big as) than Mayweather, and isn't going to be ranked p4p #1 even if he does beat Pacquiao.

But I can't see Arum giving up Pacquiao to Mayweather. No matter how you slice it, Pacquiao will be outgunned (on paper), and Mayweather will be the odds on favorite for many boxing analysts even if the bookies don't agree.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but Pacquiao currently draws more than Cotto, and the fact that he'd be a smaller man going up against a bigger/more skilled opponent in Mayweather has to at least give Arum second thoughts about that potential fight.

I just have a feeling Arum is going to avoid this. I have a feeling he won't make mention of Mayweather any time soon and will price Pacquiao out so badly that any negotiations, if any, break down in their early stages.

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If Pacquiao demands 50% or more than he would clearly be ducking Mayweather.

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Whats wrong with what VD said?

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Well I thought you know some boxing negotiations, I was wrong.


In case Pac demolishes Cotto in the early rounds as predicted by Roach, Team PAcquaio will definitely ask for 50% or more. That's definitely not ducking. It's called negotiating and leveraging.

VD is dumb in terms of real boxing negotiations and all he has is his idiotic one liners.

SAd thing is, you impliedly agreed with him immediately. That makes the two of you "dumb and dumber combination".:-X:-X:-X

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Whats wrong with what VD said?

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His dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.

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Yeah and you're the all knowing VD who, more often than not, is making wrong predictions on big fights.

Both Pacquaio and Mayweather are at the top of the game and both of them deserved respect and should be given 50% of the purse.

And you call it ducking when it should be called FAIRNESS.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Who's the dumb ass?

Edit: Let me ask your dumb ass then, has Pacquaio ducked anyone?

Btw, you're also the one who predicted that Pac will be surely murdered by DLH (and anyone who disagrees with you is also dumb) and when it did not happen you licked your bloody wounded pride by making excuses.

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Whats wrong with what VD said?

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His dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.

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Yeah and you're the all knowing VD who, more often than not, is making wrong predictions on big fights.

Both Pacquaio and Mayweather are at the top of the game and both of them deserved respect and should be given 50% of the purse.

And you call it ducking when it should be called FAIRNESS.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Who's the dumb ass?

Edit: Let me ask your dumb ass then, has Pacquaio ducked anyone?

Btw, you're also the one who predicted that Pac will be surely murdered by DLH (and anyone who disagrees with you is also dumb) and when it did not happen you licked your bloody wounded pride by making excuses.

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Well when u look at it PBF is the bigger draw.

Mayweather v ODLH did more ppv than Pac v DLH
Mayweather v Hatton did more PPV than Pac v Hatton
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Mayweather v JMM did 3 times the ppv of Pac v JMM

So asking for 50% would be as much as Pac could hope for, and anymore would be ridiculous.

Now as for the comments about DLH, please show me all these posts where i said Pac would be murdered, or any that i have written that made excuses for him. I may have done but i dont believe so. I actuall like Pac and support him quite often, its his fans who know so little about anything other than Pac i cannot stand. U are far from the worst.
If you can find the numerous so called posts where i said Pac would get murderd by Oscar, or the posts where is consistently made excuses for him i will admit im wrong like a man. But if u cant i expect an apology, and an admission u lied.

As for Pac ducking anyone, i believe he fought the easiest title holder well i dont think he has u are right. The thing is the majority of his opponents have already been beaten by Floyd so u cant really say PBF has ducked anyone either.

First, I don't think Pac is getting by Cotto. So, this post is very premature. Second, when has Pac ducked anyone? How many future HOF's has he fought? Third, I personally don't believe Pac belongs at 147. I see him as a 135-140 fighter so I don't believe it would be ducking if he didn't fight Mayweather. Fourth, it's not like Pac would be the favorite going into the fight, he would be a big underdog.

I look forward to betting rabid Pacquiao fans if the fight comes off. ;)

I used to give Pacquiao all the credit in the world for what he did to OScar, but after seeing MAyweather-Marquez the truth is pretty clear... Oscar wasn't Oscar. He came in a pound lighter than Pacquiao which adding on his height and the fact he weight drained, means that Manny beat an older, slower, weaker man than himself. Mayweather fought Oscar at his best weight at the time, and Oscar looked way faster against Floyd, way more hungry against Floyd, and had way better durability when he faced Floyd. That being said I take nothing away from what Pacquiao did against Hatton, that was incredible. I don't think it was a style mishap on Hatton's part, but the fact that Manny was way too good for him, and looked a lot better than FLoyd did against RIcky. I think Manny extra power really allows him to emphasize the difference in skill levels a lot more than Floyd, even if Floyd is better than him. Roy Jones Jr got away with so much not only because he was inhumanly fast, but also because he had the power to make opponents respect him. Floyd has respectable power and incredible speed, but not the kind of power that hurts bigger men.

Either way Mayweather agreed to 30-70 split with Oscar because he was the bigger draw. Even if Pacquiao-Cotto makes more money than Mayweather-Marquez its largely because Cotto is a way more marketable fighter than Marquez. If it doesn't make more than Mayweather-Marquez then there is no way in hell that PAcquiao or Cotto deserves 50% of the money against Floyd.

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His dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.

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Yeah and you're the all knowing VD who, more often than not, is making wrong predictions on big fights.

Both Pacquaio and Mayweather are at the top of the game and both of them deserved respect and should be given 50% of the purse.

And you call it ducking when it should be called FAIRNESS.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Who's the dumb ass?

Edit: Let me ask your dumb ass then, has Pacquaio ducked anyone?

Btw, you're also the one who predicted that Pac will be surely murdered by DLH (and anyone who disagrees with you is also dumb) and when it did not happen you licked your bloody wounded pride by making excuses.

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Well when u look at it PBF is the bigger draw.

Mayweather v ODLH did more ppv than Pac v DLH
Mayweather v Hatton did more PPV than Pac v Hatton
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Mayweather v JMM did 3 times the ppv of Pac v JMM

So asking for 50% would be as much as Pac could hope for, and anymore would be ridiculous.

Now as for the comments about DLH, please show me all these posts where i said Pac would be murdered, or any that i have written that made excuses for him. I may have done but i dont believe so. I actuall like Pac and support him quite often, its his fans who know so little about anything other than Pac i cannot stand. U are far from the worst.
If you can find the numerous so called posts where i said Pac would get murderd by Oscar, or the posts where is consistently made excuses for him i will admit im wrong like a man. But if u cant i expect an apology, and an admission u lied.

As for Pac ducking anyone, i believe he fought the easiest title holder well i dont think he has u are right. The thing is the majority of his opponents have already been beaten by Floyd so u cant really say PBF has ducked anyone either.

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I guess you should read well my post. I was referring to VD who said that DLH would murder Pac. No apology needed from me then.

I usually don't like it when people are accusing fighters of ducking anyone when they are still in the process of negotiation. The fact that they are negotiating means that they want to fight each other. They just want their fight to be as profitable as possible. PAcquaio deserves some respect especially in the sharing coz he deserves it. Asking for 50% is definitely not ducking. So you ask what's wrong with what VD said. I've explained it to you loud and clear.

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Whats wrong with what VD said?

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His dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.

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Yeah and you're the all knowing VD who, more often than not, is making wrong predictions on big fights.

Both Pacquaio and Mayweather are at the top of the game and both of them deserved respect and should be given 50% of the purse.

And you call it ducking when it should be called FAIRNESS.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Who's the dumb ass?

Edit: Let me ask your dumb ass then, has Pacquaio ducked anyone?

Btw, you're also the one who predicted that Pac will be surely murdered by DLH (and anyone who disagrees with you is also dumb) and when it did not happen you licked your bloody wounded pride by making excuses.

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I might get some predictions wrong. You know why? Cuz unlike you i actually watch other fights. If Pac ain't involved you ain't watching. Your obsessed with him. It's the reason your stupid enough to say Pacquiao should get 50%. It's obvious by his last fight, Mayweather is clearly the superior fighter. But your a groupie. So you can't see that

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I used to give Pacquiao all the credit in the world for what he did to OScar, but after seeing MAyweather-Marquez the truth is pretty clear... Oscar wasn't Oscar. He came in a pound lighter than Pacquiao which adding on his height and the fact he weight drained, means that Manny beat an older, slower, weaker man than himself. Mayweather fought Oscar at his best weight at the time, and Oscar looked way faster against Floyd, way more hungry against Floyd, and had way better durability when he faced Floyd. That being said I take nothing away from what Pacquiao did against Hatton, that was incredible. I don't think it was a style mishap on Hatton's part, but the fact that Manny was way too good for him, and looked a lot better than FLoyd did against RIcky. I think Manny extra power really allows him to emphasize the difference in skill levels a lot more than Floyd, even if Floyd is better than him. Roy Jones Jr got away with so much not only because he was inhumanly fast, but also because he had the power to make opponents respect him. Floyd has respectable power and incredible speed, but not the kind of power that hurts bigger men.

Either way Mayweather agreed to 30-70 split with Oscar because he was the bigger draw. Even if Pacquiao-Cotto makes more money than Mayweather-Marquez its largely because Cotto is a way more marketable fighter than Marquez. If it doesn't make more than Mayweather-Marquez then there is no way in hell that PAcquiao or Cotto deserves 50% of the money against Floyd.

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Well said on the Oscar part. I think many people have highly over praised Pac for his wins against Hatton and Delahoya. Don't get me wrong...regardless of how weight drained (Oscar) or washed up (Hatton) those fighters where...i can still credit the smaller man for winning. But for people to suddenly think Pac is a legitimate welter weight threat or he can beat Floyd...is extremely premature. I by no means mean to bash on Pac either. I think he has as good a resume as any active fighter and a better resume than Floyd. Having said all of that...there is no reason it shouldn't be a 50/50 split purse. Pac is extremely popular. I don't think it is far fetched to say he has become the most popular and exciting fighter in the sport (especially since Oscar has retired). Sure, Floyd generates revenue...but it's more because of his pre-fight hype building than his actual fighting style. Pac fills the seats because people love how he fights...he is an all action fighter. Do i think Pac can beat Floyd...no. Do i think Pac should get more of the purse than Floyd no...no. But he deserves at least half.

how can you say hatton was washed up prior to fighting pac? he was ruffing up pac there was no sign of him being washed up. he let his guard down thats why he got ko'd not cause he was past it.


other than that i agree with what zhubin said, pbf though does not posses the killer instinct will be a pain for pac. he has the same speed as pac and has a wicked defence. pacs barrage of punches might just deflect on pbfs guard.

but since pbf does not go for the quick finish pac has a chance to win.


pac nuthuggers=stupid
pac haters=even more stupid

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Whats wrong with what VD said?

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Well I thought you know some boxing negotiations, I was wrong.


In case Pac demolishes Cotto in the early rounds as predicted by Roach, Team PAcquaio will definitely ask for 50% or more. That's definitely not ducking. It's called negotiating and leveraging.

VD is dumb in terms of real boxing negotiations and all he has is his idiotic one liners.

SAd thing is, you impliedly agreed with him immediately. That makes the two of you "dumb and dumber combination".:-X:-X:-X

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Last I recall Pac survived JMM, PBF clowned him (even if he had every advantage possible.
). PBF has no losses ...... So Why would Pac deserve the larger purse? He would have to soundly beat JMM before he could rightfully deserve the larger purse. BTW I hate PBF with a passion. PBF just manipulated / outsmarted the Pac camp by choosing JMM as a foe. Not even a dramatic KO by Pac will have him as the larger purse holder or favorite vs PBF. Pac is and always be adjoined to the hip with JMM. Cotto will always be adjoined to the legacy of being "plastered" by Margarito. (damaged goods)

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Whats wrong with what VD said?

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Well I thought you know some boxing negotiations, I was wrong.


In case Pac demolishes Cotto in the early rounds as predicted by Roach, Team PAcquaio will definitely ask for 50% or more. That's definitely not ducking. It's called negotiating and leveraging.

VD is dumb in terms of real boxing negotiations and all he has is his idiotic one liners.

SAd thing is, you impliedly agreed with him immediately. That makes the two of you "dumb and dumber combination".:-X:-X:-X

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Last I recall Pac survived JMM, PBF clowned him (even if he had every advantage possible.
). PBF has no losses ...... So Why would Pac deserve the larger purse? He would have to soundly beat JMM before he could rightfully deserve the larger purse. BTW I hate PBF with a passion. PBF just manipulated / outsmarted the Pac camp by choosing JMM as a foe. Not even a dramatic KO by Pac will have him as the larger purse holder or favorite vs PBF. Pac is and always be adjoined to the hip with JMM. Cotto will always be adjoined to the legacy of being "plastered" by Margarito. (damaged goods)

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Comparing Pac vs. Marquez and Floyd vs. Marquez is irrelevant. Two completely different weight classes. The Floyd vs. Marquez match up was a complete mismatch from the day the fight was signed. And while the PPV sales might have been high...the actual fight was a snoozefest. Pac generates excitement in the ring. Floyd, for all of his technical brilliance, generates more excitement on the pre-fight hype than in the actual ring. You don't have to be a Pac fan to realize that he is the most exciting and probably most popular fighter in the sport. So in the end...it doesn't really matter about previous fights...what matters is the ability for the fighters to generate $$$$...and Pac can do that as well if not better than Floyd at this point. So having said that...Pac deserves at least half of the purse. Floyd will not be fighting an up and comer, he will not be fighting a stiff...he will be fighting (whether you agree with it or not) the current pound for pound fighter in the sport (we shall see what happens with the Cotto fight). Personally, I wish both Pac and Floyd fought guys in their "natural" weight classes. But again...boxing is as much a business as a sport. And while in the ring these two fighters might not be equals (i see Floyd winning with relative ease at welterweight)...from a business standpoint, they certainly are equals.

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Well I thought you know some boxing negotiations, I was wrong.


In case Pac demolishes Cotto in the early rounds as predicted by Roach, Team PAcquaio will definitely ask for 50% or more. That's definitely not ducking. It's called negotiating and leveraging.

VD is dumb in terms of real boxing negotiations and all he has is his idiotic one liners.

SAd thing is, you impliedly agreed with him immediately. That makes the two of you "dumb and dumber combination".:-X:-X:-X

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Last I recall Pac survived JMM, PBF clowned him (even if he had every advantage possible.
). PBF has no losses ...... So Why would Pac deserve the larger purse? He would have to soundly beat JMM before he could rightfully deserve the larger purse. BTW I hate PBF with a passion. PBF just manipulated / outsmarted the Pac camp by choosing JMM as a foe. Not even a dramatic KO by Pac will have him as the larger purse holder or favorite vs PBF. Pac is and always be adjoined to the hip with JMM. Cotto will always be adjoined to the legacy of being "plastered" by Margarito. (damaged goods)

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Comparing Pac vs. Marquez and Floyd vs. Marquez is irrelevant. Two completely different weight classes. The Floyd vs. Marquez match up was a complete mismatch from the day the fight was signed. And while the PPV sales might have been high...the actual fight was a snoozefest. Pac generates excitement in the ring. Floyd, for all of his technical brilliance, generates more excitement on the pre-fight hype than in the actual ring. You don't have to be a Pac fan to realize that he is the most exciting and probably most popular fighter in the sport. So in the end...it doesn't really matter about previous fights...what matters is the ability for the fighters to generate $$$$...and Pac can do that as well if not better than Floyd at this point. So having said that...Pac deserves at least half of the purse. Floyd will not be fighting an up and comer, he will not be fighting a stiff...he will be fighting (whether you agree with it or not) the current pound for pound fighter in the sport (we shall see what happens with the Cotto fight). Personally, I wish both Pac and Floyd fought guys in their "natural" weight classes. But again...boxing is as much a business as a sport. And while in the ring these two fighters might not be equals (i see Floyd winning with relative ease at welterweight)...from a business standpoint, they certainly are equals.

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Actually, no. From a business standpoint Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. In terms of popularity in the US Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. I will agree that Pacquiao is more entertaining to most/me (but this is all opinion as some appreciate the science more).

Unless Pacquiao does huge numbers in his fight with Cotto (sans Cotto's share of viewership), I can't see how Arum can even think about 50%.

In business, the topic i'm discussing, the only thing that matters is the bottom line. Who puts on the best show is irrelevant because that doesn't always equal viewership. I love Michael Katsidis's style, but there's a reason he was on the undercard of the Mayweather fight.

Simply put, Mayweather's numbers are, at this point, better than Pacquiao's numbers and unless Pacquiao (along with Cotto) does something to reverse that, 50% is simply foolish.

Too much,too soon thread.
A lot of developments will still happen
Why not wait for the result of the November 14,fight?

If given any choice, Pacquaio will NEVER duck Mayweather. If the case would happen, it will be Mayweather who will duck. But the money issue will be smoothed the fight will pushed through, and it will one of the greatest fight in the history of boxing.

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I think the names are the wrong way round in the thread title ;)

Since when has Pac ducked anybody?

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he took the fight with hatton because he saw flaws in ricky that werent there a few years back. The exact same thing has now happened with cotto

pac doesnt duck a challenge and never has. But his opponents are extremely well picked by arum

Had floyd of looked the slightest bit jagged towards the end of the marquez fight arum would already be making the calls right now preying pac gets through cotto so he can take out floyd

In light of floyds brilliance its just gonna be interesting if pac can find a way past cotto whether arum and roach will really put their money where their mouth is and stick pacquiao in with mayweather!!

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If arum really cherry picked foes for pac, then why did they agreed for a rematch with jmm? why did they allowed pac to fight hoya too?
and even when roach said hoya can't pull the trigger anymore before, then why was there still a huge consensus of fans making hoya a heavy favorite before the fight was even signed?
everyone was laughing thinking it was a huge mismatch, boxing analysts or casual fans alike. do you think arum did mind that? i bet some of you, if not most of you, thought arum was crazy for pitting pac against hoya before. i mean not even a half of us saw that coming, pac winning even a miraculous split decision against hoya before the fight was signed and came in to realization.
show me a poll before the hoya-pac fight in any boxing website (except pacland, it's pretty obvious) that has pac winning against hoya on people's collective opinion. i bet there's none.yet even with that fuss buzzing around, did arum mind that? it's about the money weather his cash cow losses especially against the heavier boxers (like hatton, hoya,cotto, future shane or pbf.). the reason for that is the "prepared alibi" that even if pac losses to them they're heavier fighters,(which is true, pac is really a natural superfeatherweight for his size.) which doe'snt stain pac's reputation that much, allowing him to continue on being a cash cow fighting other popular names in a more "comfortable division" instead, if ever he losses. there's also other reasons;
1.) it's because of his style which makes pac likeable that can still rejuvenate his career if ever he loses to these bigger guys
2.) his almost cleancut superiority in the comfortable divisions (imo 135-140. who can you match pac with? bradley? juan diaz? holt? khan?pac can rip them apart and finish them off with a ko unless they're a superior technician in the league of jmm or pbf!)
3.) arum has other cash cows to be that can replace pac in the future! e.g.;cotto, juanma, valero if he clears his license in the u.s.!

in reality arum doe'snt give a fuck if pac loses to pbf because of the "prepared alibi." pac has already given enough "milk" to toprank, became the best p4p, defeated a bunch of hof'ers won the hearts of a lot of boxing fans and renewed others back to the sport. though i hate to see him losing to pbf, or hate to assert my ongoing theory that nobody can really beat pbf in this generation. :(

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Last I recall Pac survived JMM, PBF clowned him (even if he had every advantage possible.
). PBF has no losses ...... So Why would Pac deserve the larger purse? He would have to soundly beat JMM before he could rightfully deserve the larger purse. BTW I hate PBF with a passion. PBF just manipulated / outsmarted the Pac camp by choosing JMM as a foe. Not even a dramatic KO by Pac will have him as the larger purse holder or favorite vs PBF. Pac is and always be adjoined to the hip with JMM. Cotto will always be adjoined to the legacy of being "plastered" by Margarito. (damaged goods)

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Comparing Pac vs. Marquez and Floyd vs. Marquez is irrelevant. Two completely different weight classes. The Floyd vs. Marquez match up was a complete mismatch from the day the fight was signed. And while the PPV sales might have been high...the actual fight was a snoozefest. Pac generates excitement in the ring. Floyd, for all of his technical brilliance, generates more excitement on the pre-fight hype than in the actual ring. You don't have to be a Pac fan to realize that he is the most exciting and probably most popular fighter in the sport. So in the end...it doesn't really matter about previous fights...what matters is the ability for the fighters to generate $$$$...and Pac can do that as well if not better than Floyd at this point. So having said that...Pac deserves at least half of the purse. Floyd will not be fighting an up and comer, he will not be fighting a stiff...he will be fighting (whether you agree with it or not) the current pound for pound fighter in the sport (we shall see what happens with the Cotto fight). Personally, I wish both Pac and Floyd fought guys in their "natural" weight classes. But again...boxing is as much a business as a sport. And while in the ring these two fighters might not be equals (i see Floyd winning with relative ease at welterweight)...from a business standpoint, they certainly are equals.

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Actually, no. From a business standpoint Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. In terms of popularity in the US Mayweather is bigger than Pacquiao. I will agree that Pacquiao is more entertaining to most/me (but this is all opinion as some appreciate the science more).

Unless Pacquiao does huge numbers in his fight with Cotto (sans Cotto's share of viewership), I can't see how Arum can even think about 50%.

In business, the topic i'm discussing, the only thing that matters is the bottom line. Who puts on the best show is irrelevant because that doesn't always equal viewership. I love Michael Katsidis's style, but there's a reason he was on the undercard of the Mayweather fight.

Simply put, Mayweather's numbers are, at this point, better than Pacquiao's numbers and unless Pacquiao (along with Cotto) does something to reverse that, 50% is simply foolish.

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I have to disagree. I don't have the PPV numbers for both fighters...but right now...i think they are equal in popularity and it wouldn't shock me if Pac was even more popular. Especially after the Delahoya fight...Pac took his name to a new level. And when i took to most casual boxing fans...they certainly get more excited about Pac than Floyd. Again..Floyd mainly sells fights extremely well because he plays the loud mouth villain role so well. Sure, his technical brilliance is enjoyed by some...but his fighting style does not translate into a huge fan base. But a lot of people are excited about Pac in general. Not to mention 2 huge demographics know him very well: the Filipino and the Mexican fan base. Again...none of this has anything to do with who i think will win. But Pac, whether you agree with it or not, is the current pfp champ...and AS POPULAR a fighter as there is in the sport. And lets not oversell Floyd's ability to promote/sell fights. AFTER ALL...his biggest draw was the Oscar fight...and we all know Oscar could sell out stadiums fighting bums. Hatton also brought his huge fan base and overseas contigency to the table. Floyd, overall, hasn't been a huge PPV seller BY HIMSELF like someone like Oscar. I guarantee the Pac vs. Cotto fight will sell more than Mayweather vs. Marquez. IF Pac wins that fight...his popularity and pfp ranking will soar even more...and Floyd will not have much in the form of making contract demands.