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Sky Sports | Boxing | News | Froch sees Dirrell flaws
Really looking forward to this
Should be a really good fight. I hope Froch does knock him out, but I can see it being a very difficult fight.
My concern for Froch is that everytime he's talked about Dirrell he's described Ward. I'm not really sure he knows who he's fighting.
Froch will probably have to knock him out. I'm cheering for Froch but my doughs on Dirrell.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
lol
to be fair to us brit boxing fans they are both 168 pounds, unbeaten, young, black and with the same name
He even made fun of Dirrell for calling himself Son of God which is Ward's nickname :confused: Its a bit odd really.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
lol
Well I heard Froch say the other day he's only watched a couple of rounds of Dirrell. Maybe that was Ward too :-\
Froch is still yet to beat a top 10 super middle;D
froch seems a whole lot more concerned about direll than direll is worried about him. Dude has something new to say or some new promise every day. With as big a mouth and as few fights direll has seems it should be the other way around. Either way I hope it winds up being a good scap with either guy winning rather than direll runnin and pot shot'in like I think it will be.
I cant wait for the fights.....I think this is a pick em fight. I think Froch is more durable but Dirrell has the edge in speed and movement......I dont really have a favorite......
I do think it is a little funny how cocky froch is being......he was losing the fight with Taylor and was floored good in that fight........
I am actually more looking forward to the Abraham/Taylor fight. I think Arthur is good but hasnt fought anyone the calibur of Taylor. If he can beat Taylor convincingly I would favor him to win the whole tournament......
Froch's last two fights have been really hard. Jermain Taylor has said that the only reason Froch beat him was because he didn't train. Now I know boxers have excuses after a defeat or a poor performance but Taylor probably didn't train as hard for the Froch fight as he did in his fights with Hopkins. So if a faded ex-champ can take him to hell and back...what can a young fresh unbeaten olympic medalist do ?
I think this a either or fight. By that I mean I don't think it will be close either Direll will totally outclass Froch, outbox him and stop him. Or Froch will walk through him with ease and show that Dirrell doesn't deserve his place in the tournament.
I'll admit I haven't seen much of Dirrel, I've heard he's quick so he'll probably give Carl a few problems but from what I've heard he has a relativly weak resume compared to Froch... he's never had to stand infront of him before.
I think most Americans have decided that Froch is a slow plodder... which I can understand if the most they've seen of him ws his last fight. He's not exactly slick but the speed and mobility difference may not be as big as everybody thinks.
Like I said, I'd have to see more of Dirrel to say 100% but based off what I've seen of Froch and the little I've seen of Dirrel and their resume and styles etc I'm going to say that a likely outcome is that Froch outlasts him and is simply too strong.
I think it should be a good fight... :)
Right... watching Some more of Dirrel... from what I've seen so far he's not beating Froch.
He likes fighting midgets doesn't he... ;D
Dirrell's the fastest guy in boxing north of 147 probably and he's got some skills but he can look a bit harried under pressure and I'm not totally sure about his stamina or chin. I've said this before, bit of a broken record, but I'm not sure what will happen, I could see Dirrell actually dominate Froch, I could see him have a good start but fade and get KO'd or maybe he just totally isn't ready for this kind of stage mentally.
Never seen Dirrell but hope Carl does a number on him. He does sound like he will Carl nightmares early on but hopefully Froch will catch him and not leave it so late like he did with Taylor.
I thought Dirrell had an excellent chance in this fight based on his showing against Oganov.
But having seen his fights with Rocha, Stevens and Hanshaw the man has serious chin concerns. I think it will be an early night for Dirrell.
If Dirrell has the chin to match his handspeed then we have a superstar on our hands. I just don't like how he handles pressure. (From lesser fighters than Froch)
Dirrell has looked great ever since the Stevens fight, which was an absolute stinkout borefest. I disagree with you welsh, evertime I have seen him catch a good shot he responds or ties up right away which is good, shows he has his wits. He has stopped everyone since Stevens, who is a pretty strong puncher.
Froch doesn't even apply smart pressure he doesn't really pressure you with his feet and give you a small target he does almost the opposite. I initially thought along the same lines as OumaFan, with Froch being this ignorant he has no idea what is going to hit him here. Dirrell has the type of athleticism that usually gets guys to the NBA or NFL, he is of a different class Froch should enjoy the ride now he is in for a very rude awakening.
From what I saw of Ognav - he was five foot 6 'tall' and was constantly off balance.
Not the toughest to look good infront of... ;)
Yes he's pretty 'athletic'... but that's not the be all and end all in boxing. Who cares if he's suited for the NBA? ??? lol... he has to be suited for boxing and no doubt he's got talent and potential at this stage in his career, considering what he's done so far and what I've seen of him - he's going to have a hard time standing infront of Froch for 12 rounds.
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Originally Posted by amat
Your a moron
taylor/pascal had all the attributes of these supposed NBA type fighters yet they both got outclassed by froch
Taylor is a far better fighter than dirrell can ever hope to be and if you seriously wanna believe that an espn guy fighting bums can jump up 3-4 levels and beat the tournament favourite then your as thick as i thought you were!!
He's not fighting Kessler. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
Your a moron
taylor/pascal had all the attributes of these supposed NBA type fighters yet they both got outclassed by froch
Taylor is a far better fighter than dirrell can ever hope to be and if you seriously wanna believe that an espn guy fighting bums can jump up 3-4 levels and beat the tournament favourite then your as thick as i thought you were!!
I agree completely. It is a different skill set. You don't need a chin and toughness in the NBA and you don't need height in boxing. The NBA is a game; boxing is a war.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I like Dirrell in this fight, but he is going into the snake pit. Dirrell needs to stay outside, pot shot, and win rounds. He'll be in trouble if he decides to trade with Carl and he'll be in trouble if his stamina fades. Has Dirrell ever fought for twelve rounds?
OK I think you guys have taken what I said and ran with it. Of course it's a different skillset but Dirrell has been boxing since 9 of course he has that skillset. Also the Showtime broadcast had Oganov being 5'9 not 5'6. That's worth noting because Dirrell is big, he's 6'2 and in the ring will look much bigger then Froch imo.
It doesn't even matter, I was just pointing out Dirrell's athleticism, it's there and it'll win him fights at this level if he can apply it correctly. Still, this is less about Dirrell (who I'm not a full believer in) then it is about Froch. He had good wins versus Pascal (who is not Dirrell) and Taylor who fought a dumb fight and Taylor just isn't a sharp puncher. He just let him hang in there to long, if that wasn't a blowout on the cards going to the 12th it's only because of Taylor's own sloppiness. I just think Froch has put together a couple wins but he can DEFINITELY be outboxed, if this was Froch vs Ward I think it would be open and shut for a Ward decision. Dirrell gives Froch more of a chance to win because he has that tendency to become unglued and stand right in front of guys in the midst and after those long combinations he puts together.
Also I don't think Froch is the tournament favorite, hopefully no one does. You'll see Saturday hopefully Dirrell puts it together.
I'm just pointing out his athleticism, it's amazing and that type of athleticism can't be ignored especially against someone with as many holes as Froch. Also he did go 10 rounds once against Curtis Stevens (watch it if you dare.) It was the farthest thing from gutsy but the reputation of Stevens preceded him, he was one of the most ferocious amateurs in the country in his day and he wanted to make it knockdown and dragout action so Dirrell stayed outside...the whole 10 rounds. He could just as easily (easier probably) do the same things to Froch but no chance he is that passive for 12 rounds against Froch. But he can do it and he can win on pure foot and handspeed alone imo.
His athleticism is great but that means nothing unless he has the arsehole to back it up.
All my spies on the inside are telling me Dirrell will bottle it.
Really? What spies have you got inside the Dirrell camp?? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Doesn't everyone vow to knock their opponet out?
He's an inch taller than Froch and has less than half an inch in reach over him, hardly gargantuan.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Sorry, you're right, Oganov is just pushing 5 foot 9...
It was his most recent opponent, Derrick Findley who was 5 foot 6...
He might be stronger than two pumped up middle weights (arguably light middle in Derrick Findley's case) but he's not going ot be stronger than Froch, that's one thing you can count on.
Secret ones. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinReally? What spies have you got inside the Dirrell camp?? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Ive said all the way through this if dirrell can land a monster in the 1st couple of rounds he`ll stop froch there and then. The jury is still very much out on froch as he did go into his shell through the first half of the taylor fight and chucked away his superior skill set in order to regain some confidence....always a bad move
But technically he is a league if not leagues above andre dirrell who i regard as a heavy hitter that should definitely one day win a world title. Froch will get found out by kessler when they fight but he should have enough for AA and will be way too busy for me to envisage dirrell being to win in any other manner other than landing sharp early on against a guy who takes time to grow into a fight..
either way..its gonna be a night to remember!!
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
You know i respect your opinion mate. But two things you said there, Firstly he threw away his superior skillset against Taylor, so you think he has a superior skillset than Taylor?? Id disagree with that mate 100%.
Secondly he is leagues ahead of Dirrell technically??? Technically Froch is horrible if you go by textbook he is a bad example I think Dirrell is far more technical than Froch but Froch has alot more factors going into this fight.
I was watching the Taylor fight again earlier today actually. Froch looked so awkward in those early rounds. His style is very strange, the way he keeps his hands low and stretches out with that jab of his. Taylor had his way with him for most of the early rounds. It's hard to tell whether Taylor simply gassed as the fight went on or Froch adjusted. History would suggest the former, but it shows how easily Froch can be outboxed. Calzaghe would have had a field day with him IMO. Dirrel is untested really, so I can see Froch using his experience to push Dirrel hard late on and maybe force the stoppage. I would hope for Froch to have learned from the Taylor fight though, he surely knows he was well down going into the last few rounds there.
Taylors collapse was one of the most memorable in recent times. He's accumulated a couple of them now. I hope he too learns from it and tries to hold more if in trouble against that bald German dude.
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Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
You know i respect your opinion mate. But two things you said there, Firstly he threw away his superior skillset against Taylor, so you think he has a superior skillset than Taylor?? Id disagree with that mate 100%.
Secondly he is leagues ahead of Dirrell technically??? Technically Froch is horrible if you go by textbook he is a bad example I think Dirrell is far more technical than Froch but Froch has alot more factors going into this fight.
I do understand what your getting at
Froch is very much in the mould of calzaghe in that he doesnt possess superior strength, speed or footwork to the top stateside fighters.
But he is very good at working out an opponents strategyu early in a contest and beating his opponent to the punch with his ring knowledge. How often was calzaghe classed as a show pony who would eventually get found out by lacy/kessler even mitchell??
He came out of his comfort zone, went to america to fight a guy who was a class above anything he had been in with before and for 6rounds froch did indeed look like clinton woods mark 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
But the way he got himself back into the fight to the point of knocking his opponent out was a joy to behold. He had an off night and simply failed to climatise himself to the situation at hand. But he was still able to knockout an established world champion who will prove a hell of a lot of people wrong on saturday night against abraham!!
I can't agree with that. Calzaghe had more speed and footwork than most fighters at his weight class anywhere in the world. Americans may not like his style, but no one doubts his genius in the ring. Froch shouldn't even be compared to Calzaghe. He has nothing on Calzaghe. Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
You know i respect your opinion mate. But two things you said there, Firstly he threw away his superior skillset against Taylor, so you think he has a superior skillset than Taylor?? Id disagree with that mate 100%.
Secondly he is leagues ahead of Dirrell technically??? Technically Froch is horrible if you go by textbook he is a bad example I think Dirrell is far more technical than Froch but Froch has alot more factors going into this fight.
I do understand what your getting at
Froch is very much in the mould of calzaghe in that he doesnt possess superior strength, speed or footwork to the top stateside fighters.
But he is very good at working out an opponents strategyu early in a contest and beating his opponent to the punch with his ring knowledge. How often was calzaghe classed as a show pony who would eventually get found out by lacy/kessler even mitchell??
I was checking out fightnews, and there was a article with Froch calling Dirrell gaunt. Froch needs to look in a mirror once in awhile. He is saying Direll's face looks sucked in.....but the pictures are exactly opposite, dirrell looks fine and Froch's cheekbones are sticking out and his eyes are sucked in.
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Originally Posted by No Contest
Maybe his vision is impaired too?
Froch has a bit of a thing for being a pot calling a kettle black. He was saying Dirrell was a gobby prick who should realize that you have to earn the right to talk shiit about fighters who've achieved more than you. All I could think was 'Joe Calzaghe'? It's also quite funny considering how much shit Froch has been saying about Dirrell in the build-up, whilst Dirrell has been fairly laid-back by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Froch is borderline delusional in a lot of interviews. I remember reading one a while ago where he said he can easily continue boxing for another five years because he doesn't take many punches in fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinFroch has a bit of a thing for being a pot calling a kettle black. He was saying Dirrell was a gobby prick who should realize that you have to earn the right to talk shiit about fighters who've achieved more than you. All I could think was 'Joe Calzaghe'? It's also quite funny considering how much shit Froch has been saying about Dirrell in the build-up, whilst Dirrell has been fairly laid-back by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
He's beyond belief. In the original press conference for the tournament, he described himself as the best fighter of the modern era & how this tournament would be definitive proof of that. :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingFroch is borderline delusional in a lot of interviews. I remember reading one a while ago where he said he can easily continue boxing for another five years because he doesn't take many punches in fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinFroch has a bit of a thing for being a pot calling a kettle black. He was saying Dirrell was a gobby prick who should realize that you have to earn the right to talk shiit about fighters who've achieved more than you. All I could think was 'Joe Calzaghe'? It's also quite funny considering how much shit Froch has been saying about Dirrell in the build-up, whilst Dirrell has been fairly laid-back by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Apparently years ago he said that he was better sportsman than David Beckham because Beckham could only cross a ball, whilst he was a complete fighter. I think this was just after he beat Magee.
I thought the best though was I saw an interview & he described how he wanted to keep hold of his good looks. I thought he'd told a great joke until he followed it up by saying how because of this fighters like him, PBF & ODLH were good for the sport :confused:
Absolutely mental, unless he thinks a couple of birds screaming his name in the Trent FM Arena makes him Nottingham's answer to Brad Pitt ;D