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Erdei finally steps up, challenging Fragomeni for WBC Cruiserweight Title
Erdei-Fragomeni set! | Fightnews - Boxing News Updated 24/7
WBO light heavyweight champion Zsolt Erdei (30-0, 17 KOs) and WBC cruiserweight champion Giacobbe Fragomeni (26-1-1, 10 KOs) will meet on November 21 at the Sparkassen Arena in Kiel, Germany. The bout will be for Fragomeni’s cruiserweight belt.
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Re: Erdei finally steps up, challenging Fragomeni for WBC Cruiserweight Title
Good to see you back in the game mate!!!
Although i've no 1dea about tis bout:confused:
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Should be a good fight, great to see Erdei finally in there against a ranked guy!!!
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Re: Erdei finally steps up, challenging Fragomeni for WBC Cruiserweight Title
Good news...I followed Erdeis career since he became WBO champ and he is a good guy...the lack of quality opponents is a management problem...I think Erdie is willing to fight the best,but the best aren't that willing to fight Erdei or something llike that...Anyway Erdei is a small guy I don't know if its suits him to go up to cruiser,but we will see...
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JohnnyKickAss
Good news...I followed Erdeis career since he became WBO champ and he is a good guy...the lack of quality opponents is a management problem...I think Erdie is willing to fight the best,but the best aren't that willing to fight Erdei or something llike that...Anyway Erdei is a small guy I don't know if its suits him to go up to cruiser,but we will see...
What?? Really??
I don't know if it's Erdei or his management team, but anyone who struggles with Hugo Garay is not fit to be in the same ring as Bernard Hopkins, Chad Dawson or Glen Johnson. Hell, probably not even Antonio Tarver.
About time Erdei actually fought someone with something approaching a pulse. Apart from Garay & Gonzalez, his opposition has been hideous. Makes Sven Ottke's resume look like Archie Moore's.
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Re: Erdei finally steps up, challenging Fragomeni for WBC Cruiserweight Title
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
Good news...I followed Erdeis career since he became WBO champ and he is a good guy...the lack of quality opponents is a management problem...I think Erdie is willing to fight the best,but the best aren't that willing to fight Erdei or something llike that...Anyway Erdei is a small guy I don't know if its suits him to go up to cruiser,but we will see...
I'm a bit surprised by the move also, I think its a very winnable fight for Erdei but I would have liked to see him in bouts with guys like Pascal, Cloud, Tarver, Mack or Braehmer
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Re: Erdei finally steps up, challenging Fragomeni for WBC Cruiserweight Title
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Re: Erdei finally steps up, challenging Fragomeni for WBC Cruiserweight Title
imo not a step up fragomeni should of lost his last fight
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JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
Good news...I followed Erdeis career since he became WBO champ and he is a good guy...the lack of quality opponents is a management problem...I think Erdie is willing to fight the best,but the best aren't that willing to fight Erdei or something llike that...Anyway Erdei is a small guy I don't know if its suits him to go up to cruiser,but we will see...
What?? Really??
I don't know if it's Erdei or his management team, but anyone who struggles with Hugo Garay is not fit to be in the same ring as Bernard Hopkins, Chad Dawson or Glen Johnson. Hell, probably not even Antonio Tarver.
About time Erdei actually fought someone with something approaching a pulse. Apart from Garay & Gonzalez, his opposition has been hideous. Makes Sven Ottke's resume look like Archie Moore's.
Yes...he struggled with Garay,but he won...styles make fights and apparently pressure fighters aren't Erdeis thing(I guess he would have even more problems with Johnson)...he is still a very slick and crafty boxer...I don't know if he can beat the guys you mentioned above,but he will give all of them a hard time and more importantly is willing to fight them...he is internationally unknown thats why he won't get a big name fight...money...
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
Good news...I followed Erdeis career since he became WBO champ and he is a good guy...the lack of quality opponents is a management problem...I think Erdie is willing to fight the best,but the best aren't that willing to fight Erdei or something llike that...Anyway Erdei is a small guy I don't know if its suits him to go up to cruiser,but we will see...
What?? Really??
I don't know if it's Erdei or his management team, but anyone who struggles with Hugo Garay is not fit to be in the same ring as Bernard Hopkins, Chad Dawson or Glen Johnson. Hell, probably not even Antonio Tarver.
About time Erdei actually fought someone with something approaching a pulse.
Apart from Garay & Gonzalez, his opposition has been hideous. Makes Sven Ottke's resume look like Archie Moore's.
You know what's funny? His best opponent was Sven Ottke himself ! in the final of the Amateurs European Championships in '96 ....and he lost ;)
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JohnnyKickAss
Yes...he struggled with Garay,but he won...styles make fights and apparently pressure fighters aren't Erdeis thing(I guess he would have even more problems with Johnson)...he is still a very slick and crafty boxer...I don't know if he can beat the guys you mentioned above,but he will give all of them a hard time and more importantly is willing to fight them...he is internationally unknown thats why he won't get a big name fight...money...
Sorry, I just don't buy that. Erdei has had many an opportunity to chase better fights, & I actually think he's a pretty good fighter. But his level of competition is a disgrace. He has a world title belt, many guys would chase that, yet they're ducking him?? Sorry mate, but it comes down to either Erdei himself or his promoters/management. He actually is internationally known - as the kind of fighter who is killing boxing, defending a belt & taking on now real challengers. Up until this point he has shown no willingness to test himself. I give him credit for stepping up & taking on Fragomeni, but this is after 5 years. I mean Paul Murdoch was a guy who'd never fought above tomato can level convincingly & he somehow got a shot at a world title :rolleyes:
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JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
Yes...he struggled with Garay,but he won...styles make fights and apparently pressure fighters aren't Erdeis thing(I guess he would have even more problems with Johnson)...he is still a very slick and crafty boxer...I don't know if he can beat the guys you mentioned above,but he will give all of them a hard time and more importantly is willing to fight them...he is internationally unknown thats why he won't get a big name fight...money...
Sorry, I just don't buy that. Erdei has had many an opportunity to chase better fights, & I actually think he's a pretty good fighter. But his level of competition is a disgrace. He has a world title belt, many guys would chase that, yet they're ducking him?? Sorry mate, but it comes down to either Erdei himself or his promoters/management. He actually is internationally known - as the kind of fighter who is killing boxing, defending a belt & taking on now real challengers. Up until this point he has shown no willingness to test himself. I give him credit for stepping up & taking on Fragomeni, but this is after 5 years. I mean Paul Murdoch was a guy who'd never fought above tomato can level convincingly & he somehow got a shot at a world title :rolleyes:
I think if it would have gone Erdeis way he would have fought better opposition...at least we agree about the bad management of him...Erdei himself complained about it something like 1 1/2 year ago...that his management wouldn't give him better opposition(better known names),but he later backed off,apologising and saying that he wouldn't be where he is without his management...some time later it looked like Erdei would get his wish and fight Danny Green,who recently(at that time) won the light heavy title from Stipe Drews,but Green retired a bit later...
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SaltyBacon
imo not a step up fragomeni should of lost his last fight
Erdei's moving up in weight for start & although I agree that Wlodarczyk won that fight Fragomeni fought well over the second half of the fight against a very capable opponent... like VD said its a minor step up
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Violent Demise
It's a minor step up
Very minor. Basically, just a step up in weight. Why didn't he try and unify at lhw?
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Rantcatrat
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Violent Demise
It's a minor step up
Very minor. Basically, just a step up in weight. Why didn't he try and unify at lhw?
...you think he wants anything to do with Dawson, Cloud, or anyone else down there?
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Re: Erdei finally steps up, challenging Fragomeni for WBC Cruiserweight Title
No Mention of David Haye Lyle? I bet that was a grind eh? ;D
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
Good news...I followed Erdeis career since he became WBO champ and he is a good guy...the lack of quality opponents is a management problem...I think Erdie is willing to fight the best,but the best aren't that willing to fight Erdei or something llike that...Anyway Erdei is a small guy I don't know if its suits him to go up to cruiser,but we will see...
What?? Really??
I don't know if it's Erdei or his management team, but anyone who struggles with Hugo Garay is not fit to be in the same ring as Bernard Hopkins, Chad Dawson or Glen Johnson. Hell, probably not even Antonio Tarver.
About time Erdei actually fought someone with something approaching a pulse. Apart from Garay & Gonzalez, his opposition has been hideous. Makes Sven Ottke's resume look like Archie Moore's.
Yes...he struggled with Garay,but he won...styles make fights and apparently pressure fighters aren't Erdeis thing(I guess he would have even more problems with Johnson)...he is still a very slick and crafty boxer...I don't know if he can beat the guys you mentioned above,but he will give all of them a hard time and more importantly is willing to fight them...he is internationally unknown thats why he won't get a big name fight...money...
Johnny,
With all due respect, that's complete horseshit. Give us a little more credit than to serve us with that crap.
He is moving up to fight a 40 years old Fragomeni because it was getting to the point that he was going to be forced to fight someone noteworthy at light heavyweight and his promoters didn't want to give up their cash cow.
Erdei is as faceless as ANY champion of the last ten years. He is in a marquee division and no one outside of Berlin has any idea who he is. He is a decent talent. Nothing more, nothing less. His promoters aren't stupid - Why did he fight DeAndrey Abron when there are fighters out there like Glen Johnson, Adrian Diaconu, Jean Pascal, Chad Dawson, Yusaf Mack, or even Chris Henry? Any of those guys would fight for a pittance for the chance at the WBO belt.
Go ahead and blame his promoters, but it isn't their boxing legacy that's left when Erdei retires. It's Erdei's. He had five years as light heavyweight champion, more than enough time to do something about it and he didn't. At this point, his legacy is completely and utterly irrelevant.
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Re: Erdei finally steps up, challenging Fragomeni for WBC Cruiserweight Title
Okay...I will sum up for you guys what I think about Erdei so there won't be any misunderstandings...
-Erdeis resume is crap...no doubt about that...
-Erdeis management wants to play it save,while Erdei is willing to fight quality opposition...
-Erdei should years ago make a management change,but apparently its not so easy to get out of a Universum contract(asked the Klitschkos or Sturm eg.)and now its more or less too late...
-Erdei is a very talented boxer,who will give anyone(I don't care that most of you will disagree there)a hard time at lhw...
-its propably a mistake for Erdei to go up to cruiser...
So before you all start to piss on me again you will see that we actually agree on most of the stuff regarding Erdei...
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Re: Erdei finally steps up, challenging Fragomeni for WBC Cruiserweight Title
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Memphis
No Mention of David Haye Lyle? I bet that was a grind eh? ;D
....oooh yeah, I bet he was shit scared of being talked to death ;)
