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You have to be pretty naive if you think Dirrell was going to get the decision, fighting like that, in the other guys backyard.
Come on now.
The fight was a boring, ugly, messy letdown.
Hold, foul, hold, duck/spin round, hold, pose, hold, run, hold.. boring, boring, boring.
Dirrell won the fight but it would have been a travesty had Froch lost. ;)
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Originally Posted by Fenster
oxymoron.
Froch is shit.
Dirrell didnt start holding and grabbing until Froch started all of his dirty tactics and Dirrell saw that the ref was just letting Froch do whatever he wanted.
I think Dirrell even in loss proved three things:
- Froch has a suspect chin
- Froch's power is overrated
- Froch doesnt have good fundementals and is slow as molasis
I wish Dirrell would have just standed and traded with Froch, he would have gotten froch out of there.
Say what?! Firstly how did he prove this, by tapping him on the chin as he was jumping away? And secondly, wouldn't the evidence of the Pascal fight suggest overwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Froch is shit, slow, has overrated power and an overrated "grainite" chin. We all knew that beforehand.
But he "won"
Dirrell/Team Dirrell couldn't have expected to win being that negative though. If so they are a very naive outfit. And got what they deserved.
The trading part I somewhat agree. I actually think there were times that Direll was actually outslugging and hurting Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
I wouldn't say Froch has a suspect chin. He has a solid chin at worse.
Taylor and Direll are both not HUGE punchers and Taylor dropped Froch hard and Dirrell seriously wobbled him a fewtimes.....This equals suspect chin....
Froch apparently won on clean punching to the back of the head.
If Dirrell had just settled down and fought more like he did in the 11th it probably wouldn't have gone to the judges. Too skittish, too hyper, nervous, whatever. He pretty easily won the fight though. Abraham will probably decapitate him unfortunately, Direll I mean, if Abraham and Froch fought I would skip it and pray for a double knockout. Of course that's not likely as Froch is just going to get obliterated.
Amazing he was allowed to get away with that in England. I don't think I've ever seen a British fighter allowed to foul the hell out of an American fighter when they have fought in England. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
It appeared Dirrell was extremely nervous for the fight....He even admitted before the fight....He showed alot of class by not becoming unraveled from Froch's dirty tactics.....especially with the crowd and ref against him......I am a new fan of Dirrell.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I honestly don't get the arguement for those in favor of Froch winning. For the most part it boils down to Dirrell..."Sure he won, but he lost." lol
And it is just bizarre. If I was in any way a fan of Direll I'd prob. still be upset with it today, but seeing as I 'm not, I just find it funny now.
And yes, I think Direll fought, well, scared and weird. And Froch like an angry 2nd cousin of a no talent retard. But the numbers of rounds won, and punches throw are what they are.
Oh well, they can both die a slow boxing death imo. I don't even care any more today, other then it pissed me off last night as I was getting psyched about and into this tour, and this shit set that back a bit.
Dirrell is like the new Herol Graham, highly reliant on reflexes, spoiler, frustrating but brilliant. Gets points deducted and loses world title fights he should have won.
I hate Carl Froch....FACT
I'm not saying Froch won. I think he lost. But you're not gonna win a boring, ugly, messy fight in the other guys backyard.
Dirrell only has himself to blame. You deserve to get punched in the back of the head if you keep turning/ducking.
Lyle, the ref wasn't from England just like he wasn't in that other fight you're reffering to - you muppet. :beat:
Like I have said I scored the fight big for Dirrell, but what makes me laugh is some of are American friends, im not tarnishing you all with the same brush but lets be honest here Dirrell made Hatton look like a novice when it came to the hugging stakes!!
Now lets imagine it was a Brit who stunk the joint out like that last night we wouldnt have heard the fucking end of it!!
Pisses me off sumtimes it's one rule for fighter in from a part of the world and then it's a different one for another fighter from another part of the world.
On another note if Taylor sits out the rest of the tourny apparently Alan Green will be his replacement which I am not happy with hes fucking shit for starters, and he has done absolutly nothing in his career apart from get stopped by the limited Miranda.
Doesn't matter who refs the fight but it does seem to matter WHERE the fight takes place.
Who does Froch have next? I hope they knock him the fuck out
I thought Dirrell won it and Froch should be kicking himself in the backside for not going all out for it.Still trying to digest Showtimes comparisons to Jones jr...:bucktooth:.Waaay to early to be putting an "S" on his chest for me and at times looked flimsy.
I do agree with this to a point. Direll was making it so Froch had almost no chance of it not happening. But damn, he coulda maybe thrown an uppercut or hook or something in...not haymakers coming from the roof atleast every single time lol They prob would have been more effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Fenster
He won with a bad decision and lost a lot of respect, Froch has terrible skills and everyone knows it and he has no chance of winning the tourney. The family is not naive, if you watched the fight you would know his trainer told him he would not get a decision here and needed a KO. I love that first post from you quoted below.
"Dirrell won the fight but it would have been a travesty had Froch lost."
The travesty is the guy who actually landed some punches lost on the cards.
There were a lot of times where he was punching to the back of the head when Dirrell wasn't even ducking or anything. And even then you should not be allowed to cock your arm up in the air and punch down onto the back of a guy's head ;D Something tells me that's illegal.
But Skel I have no issue with the ref taking a point from Dirrell for holding. Hell take one earlier and keep taking them if he keeps doing it consistently. But you could tell clear as day there was only one fighter the ref was paying attention too. That's pretty obvious when you warn a guy after he's punched in the back of the head four or five times. The ref doesn't have to be British to be incrompetent.
Dirrell may of ran and clinched but he did land more punches and was busier in most of the rounds.
All Froch did was hit air and fight dirty plus practice his judo.
Froch can't win the fight based on clinching less.
Dirrell deserved a clear decision win imo.
....what a satisfying feeling it'll be watching Froch get dismantled by Kessler. That is who he's scheduled to fight next correct?
that's utter bullshit, and it's what's wrong with boxing today, just cause the fight was in Froch's hometown doesn't mean that the shitty dirty fucker should of got the win, the fight was utter crap, but that doesn't change the fact that Froch was outboxed by a guy who hasn't even had 20 pro fights yet, FACTQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster;799151[B
Probably because Dirrell was boring the ref to tears as well as everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Yep boxing is an ugly unjust business.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
They would have been better off telling him beforehand he wont win a decision fighting so negative instead of telling him he needs a KO in the 12th.Quote:
Originally Posted by stebsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
He won with a bad decision and lost a lot of respect, Froch has terrible skills and everyone knows it and he has no chance of winning the tourney. The family is not naive, if you watched the fight you would know his trainer told him he would not get a decision here and needed a KO. I love that first post from you quoted below.
"Dirrell won the fight but it would have been a travesty had Froch lost."
The travesty is the guy who actually landed some punches lost on the cards.
See, proves my point, totally naive.
i honestly don't see Froch beating anyone else in the tourney except maybe Taylor in a rematch, other than that i see Ward, Kessler, and Abraham all beating him, hell i'd even pick Dirrell over him in a rematch
Dirrell would get hometown advantage in a rematch which would mean Froch NEEDS a KO. Froch does have a proven history of getting KO's when imperative - as proven against Taylor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Yeah, Dirrell-Froch rematch you'd have to favour Froch, when you give it some serious thought
unless he picks up a Tyson/Seldon like KO, i don't see it happening all Froch hit all night like when he wasn't banging away at the back of Dirrell's head was air, and that's all he'd hit in a rematch, Froch has already been horribly outboxed two fights back to back, he's garbageQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterDirrell would get hometown advantage in a rematch which would mean Froch NEEDS a KO. Froch does have a proven history of getting KO's when imperative - as proven against Taylor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Yeah, Dirrell-Froch rematch you'd have to favour Froch, when you give it some serious thought
they both deserved the loss IMO...
its not really that important as both have no chance of winning this thing.
For me Abraham has the easiest fight draw missing Ward and Kessler that can't be right. ???
You are correct on both counts. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Kessler :jabbing: Froch
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
They should have both been chucked out for boring everyone to death at 3am in the morning.
So what are you taking umbrage with?Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter:oI cant belive what you say.Froch was right on his game,he fought a guy that came over here NOT to fight!He ran his ass off for the full twelve,he was elusive,quick and a potential banana skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterTrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
They should have both been chucked out for boring everyone to death at 3am in the morning.
He was unbeaten and very well respected in the States but he never came to fight.
I was at the fight and to me it was an accomplished tactical performance with the correct result.(no way a split decision)
Froch can take a punch,he can end a fight in a split second and against Jean Pascal produced one of the fights of the year.
It's plain to see that your not a fan which maybe clouds your true view.
Froch does 12 rounds with ease and will still drop an opponent in the twelth.
Wakey wakey it's 2.40am!Obviously a little too late for you or your depth of boxing knowledge does not deserve the mantle that you attempt to portray:confused:
I think it was boring you think not, right?
I think Froch and Dirrell both fought shit you think not, right?
OK well i'm glad you enjoyed the fight. That's all I got :-\
it was only 10 over here and i don't know what fight you were watching, Froch is a dirty bastard and his name should never be paired with the word tactical, cause all he did was fight dirty and swing and miss, and eat up any leather that Dirrell was willing to throw, he swept the first 4, gave away the next 2 and pretty much won every single round afterwards, rocking the hell out of Froch for the last 2 rounds, the fight was crap and it was the perfect example of a hometown decision, it was just as bad or worse than the Houston scorecards for Diaz/Malignaggi, at least you could make a case that Diaz won, although not by those scores, but no way in hell did Froch win that fight, he's utter garbage and an embarrassmentQuote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter:oI cant belive what you say.Froch was right on his game,he fought a guy that came over here NOT to fight!He ran his ass off for the full twelve,he was elusive,quick and a potential banana skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterTrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
They should have both been chucked out for boring everyone to death at 3am in the morning.
He was unbeaten and very well respected in the States but he never came to fight.
I was at the fight and to me it was an accomplished tactical performance with the correct result.(no way a split decision)
Froch can take a punch,he can end a fight in a split second and against Jean Pascal produced one of the fights of the year.
It's plain to see that your not a fan which maybe clouds your true view.
Froch does 12 rounds with ease and will still drop an opponent in the twelth.
Wakey wakey it's 2.40am!Obviously a little too late for you or your depth of boxing knowledge does not deserve the mantle that you attempt to portray:confused:
I actually think Dirrell could still win. I'm not sure who he's fighting in the third round, but I think there's a real possibility that he outboxes Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
I'm not sure what a banana skin is in boxing parlance, but most people consider being quick and elusive a good thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by switch-hitter:oI cant belive what you say.Froch was right on his game,he fought a guy that came over here NOT to fight!He ran his ass off for the full twelve,he was elusive,quick and a potential banana skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterTrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
They should have both been chucked out for boring everyone to death at 3am in the morning.
He was unbeaten and very well respected in the States but he never came to fight.
I was at the fight and to me it was an accomplished tactical performance with the correct result.(no way a split decision)
Froch can take a punch,he can end a fight in a split second and against Jean Pascal produced one of the fights of the year.
It's plain to see that your not a fan which maybe clouds your true view.
Froch does 12 rounds with ease and will still drop an opponent in the twelth.
Wakey wakey it's 2.40am!Obviously a little too late for you or your depth of boxing knowledge does not deserve the mantle that you attempt to portray:confused:
And him not being a fan of Froch's clouds his view :confused:. It would seem to me that the opposite would be true. I really didn't mean for that to rhyme... :p
I agree with Saddo on this, neither guy should be considered champ after that. Dirrell showed that when he chose to open up with combinations Froch had no chance skill wise, unfortunately most of the fight he spent running in to hug and run away, which is frustrating, because with his hand speed it looked to me like he could have had an easy night of it.
Froch was delusional thinking that he did enough to win as well though, just because you are coming forward doesn't mean you win especially when you aren't landing anything. He can get frustrated all he wants about Dirrell not standing to trade, fact is the few times that did happen Froch was on the short end of the stick in the exchange. I saw Froch land one meaningful punch that entire fight, to which Dirrell punched him back at the end and Froch withdrew.
Bottom line is Fenster is right that Dirrell deserved to lose, maybe in hind sight he will realize "maybe I should have punched him in the mouth more"
I'm not outraged by the decision, but I am extremely frustrated with Dirrell's performance, no less so than Froch's a suplex should at least merit a warning.
Fenster: your love of inflammatory statements never ceases to amuse and entertain me :)
Amuse and entertain? Great stuff ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Don't know where you got me being a Froch fan from? :-\
Killersheep, exactly! :cool: