Can only think of two all time greats Elvis and Chuck.
Who is it for you?
Anyone else worth a mention?
Carl Perkins maybe comes to mind as a must be listed ,but thats writing genius as well.
For me its Chuck Berry.
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Can only think of two all time greats Elvis and Chuck.
Who is it for you?
Anyone else worth a mention?
Carl Perkins maybe comes to mind as a must be listed ,but thats writing genius as well.
For me its Chuck Berry.
Elvis all day every day
there is only one King of Rock and Roll
Hes like Muhammad Ali you can argue there are a number of better boxers but there is only one Greatest
Its about the impact he had and still has
Little Richard for me
The real and only one is Jerry Lee Lewis, he was the one who did influence it the most at its time, even more than Elvis till he admitted a sexual relation with a minor, from there his reputation spiraled down and the time made sure to bury him as deep as possible. The man might have been a bit wacko, but if we talk pure rock n roll, he's the king.
They are all Great but there is only 1 King!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK0x6U1aPuk
It's a no brainer, Elvis is THE KING, it's like people trying to say Michael Jackson danced better than James Brown...NO FREAKING WAY. And as an entertainer the ONLY one person that could rival Elvis is James Brown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2gEAvOW2nc
....that ladies and gents is TALENT
Bill Haley
I just squared this thread up.
The blood line of Rock n Roll traces back to Chuck hence he's the King ;)
Yeah, Little Richard for me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Out of the two in the poll I would say Elvis was the more iconic, but Chuck Berry actually wrote the tunes. Both were very important in laying down the framework of what was to come later, so I can't really choose between them.
freddy mercury
they all made it what it was....mercury took it to another level!!
Bo Didley for me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HICsPNm2ARY
I don't see how anyone calls Elvis the king of anything. That's like a women's basketball team winning the championship and calling them the rulers of basketball. Elvis was a rip-off of every great black performer who came before him because people thought white people wouldn't accept them. If he was so great he would have recorded songs he actually wrote instead of re-recording other people's. James Brown, Chuck Berry, Screamin' Jay Hawkins were all better.
Of course people who know their rock history would know this. A better analogy would be like Justin Timberlake, people today are so amazed what he did, but it's been done before. Michael Jackson did all that back in the day, same thing with James Brown before him, and on and on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilla
Would anyone here call Justin Timberlake the king of RnB?
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogOf course people who know their rock history would know this. A better analogy would be like Justin Timberlake, people today are so amazed what he did, but it's been done before. Michael Jackson did all that back in the day, same thing with James Brown before him, and on and on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilla
Would anyone here call Justin Timberlake the king of RnB?
....excuse me THE King is THE King because he could do it all. Sure because he was white he got on TV and got more radio play but ELVIS helped create Rock'n'Roll by merging R & B, up tempo Country, and Rockabilly. Also he's The King because of the following....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilla
Elvis staged the first concert broadcast globally via satellite, 'Aloha From Hawaii', seen by approximately 1.5 billion viewers
He had over 149 songs make it onto Billboard's Hot 100, 114 were top 40, 40 were top 10, and 18 went #1. But that's JUST pop not including Country, Gospel, or R&B
Those 18 #1's spent 80 weeks at that spot
He also had 90 charted albums and 10 of those reached number 1
Elvis had over 150 albums/records go Gold, Platinum, or Multi-Platinum
People would pack stadiums to hear Elvis sing and watch him perform he was like a cross between Sinatra and Ali...when you've got a packed house ready to hear some rock'n'roll and you can roll out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtxEwU8zIs
....and they cheer just as loud then I'm sorry you're just fucking special
At some point in time it's not about black or white or what kinds of breaks he caught it's about being a very special performer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqE2yu2pCMk
There's not a song the guy couldn't do...he didn't need any fucking auto-tune I can tell you that.
But yeah all those other guys you mention were good but Elvis is THE KING for a reason
Elvis create rock n roll? hhaahahahahahahaha;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle....excuse me THE King is THE King because he could do it all. Sure because he was white he got on TV and got more radio play but ELVIS helped create Rock'n'Roll by merging R & B, up tempo Country, and Rockabilly. Also he's The King because of the following....Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilla
Elvis staged the first concert broadcast globally via satellite, 'Aloha From Hawaii', seen by approximately 1.5 billion viewers
He had over 149 songs make it onto Billboard's Hot 100, 114 were top 40, 40 were top 10, and 18 went #1. But that's JUST pop not including Country, Gospel, or R&B
Those 18 #1's spent 80 weeks at that spot
He also had 90 charted albums and 10 of those reached number 1
Elvis had over 150 albums/records go Gold, Platinum, or Multi-Platinum
People would pack stadiums to hear Elvis sing and watch him perform he was like a cross between Sinatra and Ali...when you've got a packed house ready to hear some rock'n'roll and you can roll out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtxEwU8zIs....and they cheer just as loud then I'm sorry you're just fucking special
At some point in time it's not about black or white or what kinds of breaks he caught it's about being a very special performer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqE2yu2pCMkThere's not a song the guy couldn't do...he didn't need any fucking auto-tune I can tell you that.
But yeah all those other guys you mention were good but Elvis is THE KING for a reason
Elvis was the precursor to Eminem, The Beastie Boys,Justin Timberlake, etc. You know, guys that are popularly judged today as making their livings selling black music to white kids in the suburbs, why shield Elvis from the same critique?
Hell even legendary Ray Charles back in an old '94 article straight out said he's not the king of anything. He stole people's music and passed it off as his own including the genre that he supposedly started.
Musical genius Ray Charles says Elvis copied musical style of blacks; he's not 'The King.' | Jet | Find Articles at BNET
Does this song sound familiar? It for sure didn't come from Elvis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XUAg1_A7IE
If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." -- John Lennon
Elvis is the King.
"Black music" as you call it would have NEVER reached white ears had it not been for Elvis (and to a lesser extent Jerry Lee Lewis).Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Sure Elvis was inspired by black musicians but he was also inspired by gospel groups too but you don't hear them bitchin about how they don't get any respect.
Elvis took Rock to a level that people like Chuck Berry (talented as he may be and he is most certainly talented) could NEVER have taken it
"A lot of people have accused Elvis of stealing the black man's music, when in fact, almost every black solo entertainer copied his stage mannerisms from Elvis" - Jackie Wilson
"He broke the ice for all of us" - Rev. Al Green
"He was an integrator. Elvis was a blessing. They wouldn't let black music through. He opened the door for black music" - Little Richard
....sorry about the neg rep but to DARE compare Elvis to Eminem, I mean if you would have said that to my face you'd be down a couple teeth
Yes we all know that certain musicians in the past couldn't reach the heights of Elvis, no matter how talented or creative they are. Yes he did introduce "black music" to the general population, but to give him full and sole credit for starting it as the masses have done is a disservice and distortion of the history of the rock n roll genre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle"Black music" as you call it would have NEVER reached white ears had it not been for Elvis (and to a lesser extent Jerry Lee Lewis).Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Sure Elvis was inspired by black musicians but he was also inspired by gospel groups too but you don't hear them bitchin about how they don't get any respect.
Elvis took Rock to a level that people like Chuck Berry (talented as he may be and he is most certainly talented) could NEVER have taken it
"A lot of people have accused Elvis of stealing the black man's music, when in fact, almost every black solo entertainer copied his stage mannerisms from Elvis" - Jackie Wilson
"He broke the ice for all of us" - Rev. Al Green
"He was an integrator. Elvis was a blessing. They wouldn't let black music through. He opened the door for black music" - Little Richard
....sorry about the neg rep but to DARE compare Elvis to Eminem, I mean if you would have said that to my face you'd be down a couple teeth
I compared Elvis to Eminem, Justin Timberlake and the Beastie Boys in that he made a certain type of black music very popular to the white kids in the suburbs just like them. Isn't this true? SO what part of that statement is false?:confused:
I sure wonder if 30 or 40 years from now, if the masses will say Eminem is the king of hiphop or Justin Timberlake is the king of Rnb and give them sole credit for starting the genre? Just food for thought.
BTW, I don't have a problem with Elvis, for he did help make rock popular, but he's not the king imo. The masses usually don't know who Berry, Didley, and many great pioneers that help kick start this awesome genre, and they too should be given credit for it, but it seems like only hardcore fans know about them. I guess that is the problem I have.
Not in Saddos he isnt ;D Its Chuck by a short half head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Oooooh I love it, I love it, I Luuuuuuuuurve it!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Now THAT'S how it's SUPPOSED to be played God Damit!!!! :o
Why Lyle neg reped you i'll never know. What Eminem did, only fell short of Elvis' achievements simply because Elvis was a better performer. He was in no way an originator, nor innovator. Just an imitator.
Bulldog i fukin love that song man!!! ;D Makes me wanna get my Rick Flair on, Wooooh!! :cool:
I see both sides of the argument when it comes to Elvis. My take is that he was ultimately a great intepreter of songs in a vein similar to Sinatra. The difference being that Elvis could shake his hips and do rock and roll. Elvis was never an innovator and did not invent rock and roll, but he was extremely important in making it palatable for the radio and making it popular. There might have been some racism involved in it needing a white guy to break through, but it was what it was I guess.
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Marty Mcfly gave Chuck his sound :)
They weren't ready for Marty though.... Oh, i see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by stebsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Marty Mcfly gave Chuck his sound :)
Touche :-\
But Marty got that sound from Chuck. (Chicken and egg):confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by stebsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Marty Mcfly gave Chuck his sound :)
:action: Elvis has the taken the lead in the home stretch. :domo-kun:
Neither.
Here's the real king of rock n Roll:
http://www.jazzmuseum.se/wp-content/...-lee-lewis.jpg
He was beating Elvis in the charts, he was the darling, but when he started to date a minor, it all went to the drain and the medias, the church etc did everything they could to erase him from the surface of planetmusic.
...date a minor....ha, try MARRY his cousin....bad move. But Killer was hella talented
To compare Elvis to those people essentially denies his talent. May I ask you why Elvis is THE Rock'n'Roll icon? Sure as miles said he "interpreted" most of the R&B portion of his arsenal that was more heavily routed in the black communities of the time but there has to be a reason why Elvis is called The King and why Chuck Berry, Bo, and all the rest of the black Rock'n'Roll Founding Fathers were kind of left in the shaddow of Elvis.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Also since rock broke onto the scene in the 1950's just how many black muscians and acts have their been in the genre besides Chuck and Bo? Rock'n'Roll IS suburbia man.
Also if anyone "stole" from Chuck Berry it was The Beach Boys (great band as they were they still stole Berry's riffs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le51jB37Fro
But hell in music everyone steals, borrows, or is "inspired by" the people that came before them. The thing is Elvis is Elvis and that puts him at the top of the list because....(and I wonder if anyone thought of this when I mentioned it before) did anyone think about how many TVs there actually were when Elvis did 'Aloha From Hawaii' when he got 1.5 BILLION people to watch that live? I mean that is CRAZY.
Oh well I guess we're just going to have to disagree, I like Chuck and Bo, I really do but they didn't over shaddow the genre the way Elvis did and that's no disservice to what those guys did but Elvis is the icon for a reason, it's not for lack of talent and it's not for him "stealing" songs.
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Originally Posted by Lyle...date a minor....ha, try MARRY his cousin....bad move. But Killer was hella talented
To compare Elvis to those people essentially denies his talent. May I ask you why Elvis is THE Rock'n'Roll icon? Sure as miles said he "interpreted" most of the R&B portion of his arsenal that was more heavily routed in the black communities of the time but there has to be a reason why Elvis is called The King and why Chuck Berry, Bo, and all the rest of the black Rock'n'Roll Founding Fathers were kind of left in the shaddow of Elvis.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Also since rock broke onto the scene in the 1950's just how many black muscians and acts have their been in the genre besides Chuck and Bo? Rock'n'Roll IS suburbia man.
Also if anyone "stole" from Chuck Berry it was The Beach Boys (great band as they were they still stole Berry's riffs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le51jB37Fro
But hell in music everyone steals, borrows, or is "inspired by" the people that came before them. The thing is Elvis is Elvis and that puts him at the top of the list because....(and I wonder if anyone thought of this when I mentioned it before) did anyone think about how many TVs there actually were when Elvis did 'Aloha From Hawaii' when he got 1.5 BILLION people to watch that live? I mean that is CRAZY.
Oh well I guess we're just going to have to disagree, I like Chuck and Bo, I really do but they didn't over shaddow the genre the way Elvis did and that's no disservice to what those guys did but Elvis is the icon for a reason, it's not for lack of talent and it's not for him "stealing" songs.
But his cousin was also 13 years old if I am correct at the moment of the act...
I never denied Elvis talent. I made an appropriate comparison with Eminem, Justin Timberlake in that the musical genre they engaged in was not popular to the masses/white people until a talented white guy came along and introduced it to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle...date a minor....ha, try MARRY his cousin....bad move. But Killer was hella talented
To compare Elvis to those people essentially denies his talent. May I ask you why Elvis is THE Rock'n'Roll icon? Sure as miles said he "interpreted" most of the R&B portion of his arsenal that was more heavily routed in the black communities of the time but there has to be a reason why Elvis is called The King and why Chuck Berry, Bo, and all the rest of the black Rock'n'Roll Founding Fathers were kind of left in the shaddow of Elvis.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Also since rock broke onto the scene in the 1950's just how many black muscians and acts have their been in the genre besides Chuck and Bo? Rock'n'Roll IS suburbia man.
Also if anyone "stole" from Chuck Berry it was The Beach Boys (great band as they were they still stole Berry's riffs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le51jB37Fro
But hell in music everyone steals, borrows, or is "inspired by" the people that came before them. The thing is Elvis is Elvis and that puts him at the top of the list because....(and I wonder if anyone thought of this when I mentioned it before) did anyone think about how many TVs there actually were when Elvis did 'Aloha From Hawaii' when he got 1.5 BILLION people to watch that live? I mean that is CRAZY.
Oh well I guess we're just going to have to disagree, I like Chuck and Bo, I really do but they didn't over shaddow the genre the way Elvis did and that's no disservice to what those guys did but Elvis is the icon for a reason, it's not for lack of talent and it's not for him "stealing" songs.
Sure everyone borrows or is influenced by someone. But the masses said he created rock n roll and that without Elvis there would not be rock n roll which is entirely false. He did not create this genre. He just made it popular for white kids in the suburbs kind of like Justin Timberlake and Eminem did for different genres of music. There would still be rock n roll without Elvis.
And the reason why Elvis is called the King and is more popular than Berry, Didley, Little Richard and the pioneers was that he was the right color and they were not. This was the 1950's we're talking about when rock exploded. And the 1950s is an era that wasn't too kind to blacks. They needed the right guy to market this musical genre and Elvis is the right guy.
Saying Elvis is the King of rock is like saying Kenny G is the king of Jazz, or Eminem is the king of hip hop or Justin Timberlake is the king of RnB.;D
The question is "who is the real King of Rock'n'Roll?" and the correct answer is ELVIS....end of discussion.
Who were the Founders of Rock'n'Roll might give us a different answer BUT Elvis would still be in there....disagree with me if you must but Elvis is THE KING.
Your posting comparing Elvis to Timerblake and Eminem is just fucking idiotic on a bunch of levels. #1 Elvis isn't Pat Boone he didn't outright copy the music and "turn it white" and #2 White kids in the suburbs liked rap looooooong before Eminem and #3 Justin Timberlake??? Really....if white people want soul in their singing they turn to a couple people NONE OF THEM are named Justin Timberlake