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In the times Tuesday.
Generals join forces to resist 'hijacking' by BNP - Times Online
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Originally Posted by porkypara
As nick griffin sadly pointed out im pretty sure if you took an actual survey of the men fighting for queen and country quite a few would tell you they vote BNP year in year out.
I hate nothing more than fascism but this media campaign against the BNP all because of 2 mesely seats is becoming tiresome now!!
The BNP is a racist hate group, plain and simple.
I have nothing positive to say about such an organisation.
Which is why you voted BNP, a party whose leading members are Nazi sympathisers.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
As nick griffin sadly pointed out im pretty sure if you took an actual survey of the men fighting for queen and country quite a few would tell you they vote BNP year in year out.
I hate nothing more than fascism but this media campaign against the BNP all because of 2 mesely seats is becoming tiresome now!!
The BNP are scum, the men who fought & died fighting the Nazis in the Second World War have their memory & heroism dishonoured by pieces have shit like Griffin trying to associate themselves with them. They were fighting against the very thing the BNP propagate.
The BNP would have been on Germany's side in WWII, not really the best advert for a party that has our best interests at heart ;)
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Originally Posted by JazMerkinWhich is why you voted BNP, a party whose leading members are Nazi sympathisers.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
As nick griffin sadly pointed out im pretty sure if you took an actual survey of the men fighting for queen and country quite a few would tell you they vote BNP year in year out.
I hate nothing more than fascism but this media campaign against the BNP all because of 2 mesely seats is becoming tiresome now!!
The BNP are scum, the men who fought & died fighting the Nazis in the Second World War have their memory & heroism dishonoured by pieces have shit like Griffin trying to associate themselves with them. They were fighting against the very thing the BNP propagate.
This is the opinion of someone who clearly spends too much time reading the sun and watching question time.
If you actually took a second out to actually look at the democratic voting for the party and understand their reasons for doing so you would soon realise that the questions being raised time and time again shouldnt be "how" but "why" we spend every working day talking about a group of hate mongerers
Dont divulge the problem just find its solution and people like the BNP will die out quicker than the dodo
A dimwitted BNP sow was on tv the other night, when she was asked about the holocaust or holo-hoax as Griffin called it she got aggressive and acused him the reporter of trying to stitch her up. When he pressed futher she said said 'she'd not given it much thought'.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Not given the WWII Holocaust - much thought- you want to be elected representing the BNP......not much thought going on at all I'd wager.
It diverts attention away from real issues. Just like they always do. Keep the rabble fighting amongst themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWhich is why you voted BNP, a party whose leading members are Nazi sympathisers.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
The BNP are scum, the men who fought & died fighting the Nazis in the Second World War have their memory & heroism dishonoured by pieces have shit like Griffin trying to associate themselves with them. They were fighting against the very thing the BNP propagate.
This is the opinion of someone who clearly spends too much time reading the sun and watching question time.
If you actually took a second out to actually look at the democratic voting for the party and understand their reasons for doing so you would soon realise that the questions being raised time and time again shouldnt be "how" but "why" we spend every working day talking about a group of hate mongerers
Dont divulge the problem just find its solution and people like the BNP will die out quicker than the dodo
Reading The Sun & Question Time don't generally go together. If you actually look into the histories of their leaders you will see particularly that Nick Griffin & Andrew Brons played key roles in Neo-Nazi organizations throughout the 70s & 80s.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWhich is why you voted BNP, a party whose leading members are Nazi sympathisers.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
The BNP are scum, the men who fought & died fighting the Nazis in the Second World War have their memory & heroism dishonoured by pieces have shit like Griffin trying to associate themselves with them. They were fighting against the very thing the BNP propagate.
This is the opinion of someone who clearly spends too much time reading the sun and watching question time.
If you actually took a second out to actually look at the democratic voting for the party and understand their reasons for doing so you would soon realise that the questions being raised time and time again shouldnt be "how" but "why" we spend every working day talking about a group of hate mongerers
Dont divulge the problem just find its solution and people like the BNP will die out quicker than the dodo
There are plenty of other parties that are concerned with unemployment & immigration. Explain exactly what the democratic reasons are for voting for a party who's founder described Mein Kampf as his Bible, a party who have publicly said that non-white British people should be 'repatriated' to their country of origin, a party that would seek to prohibit mixed-race relationships.
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Originally Posted by JazMerkinReading The Sun & Question Time don't generally go together. If you actually look into the histories of their leaders you will see particularly that Nick Griffin & Andrew Brons played key roles in Neo-Nazi organizations throughout the 70s & 80s.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
This is the opinion of someone who clearly spends too much time reading the sun and watching question time.
If you actually took a second out to actually look at the democratic voting for the party and understand their reasons for doing so you would soon realise that the questions being raised time and time again shouldnt be "how" but "why" we spend every working day talking about a group of hate mongerers
Dont divulge the problem just find its solution and people like the BNP will die out quicker than the dodo
There are plenty of other parties that are concerned with unemployment & immigration. Explain exactly what the democratic reasons are for voting for a party who's founder described Mein Kampf as his Bible, a party who have publicly said that non-white British people should be 'repatriated' to their country of origin, a party that would seek to prohibit mixed-race relationships.
Wonder how much of the voting public take time to actually study who they are voting for. What are their policys, why they feel the party is right for them etc? i also wonder how many vote simply due to reading the odd news story or word of ear from a friend or family member (bet those statistics would even shock little old me)
Do you genuinely think the 8% of the country that vote BNP do say because of a deep irrational hatred for all ethnic minoritys and strong alliance towards the very facist organisation that attempted to purify this great land on not 2 seperate occasions??
The questions being raised time and time again is how to stop the BNP...f*ck that
I know, you know, 90% of sane rational people know that the British National Party is bad bad news. But instead of running them into the mire just until the next fascist movement comes a calling i actually want to know why so many people are voting for them and the solutions for this
So, I don't get it Hatton, you voted for them but you don't like them?
YOU voted for them. Tell us.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinReading The Sun & Question Time don't generally go together. If you actually look into the histories of their leaders you will see particularly that Nick Griffin & Andrew Brons played key roles in Neo-Nazi organizations throughout the 70s & 80s.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
There are plenty of other parties that are concerned with unemployment & immigration. Explain exactly what the democratic reasons are for voting for a party who's founder described Mein Kampf as his Bible, a party who have publicly said that non-white British people should be 'repatriated' to their country of origin, a party that would seek to prohibit mixed-race relationships.
Wonder how much of the voting public take time to actually study who they are voting for. What are their policys, why they feel the party is right for them etc? i also wonder how many vote simply due to reading the odd news story or word of ear from a friend or family member (bet those statistics would even shock little old me)
Do you genuinely think the 8% of the country that vote BNP do say because of a deep irrational hatred for all ethnic minoritys and strong alliance towards the very facist organisation that attempted to purify this great land on not 2 seperate occasions??
The questions being raised time and time again is how to stop the BNP...f*ck that
I know, you know, 90% of sane rational people know that the British National Party is bad bad news. But instead of running them into the mire just until the next fascist movement comes a calling i actually want to know why so many people are voting for them and the solutions for this
Do I think its possible that 8% of the voting public are racists? Of course I do, the world isn't perfect. The fact is this kind of stuff is all out in the open. It's not like anyone voting BNP doesn't really know what they stand for. They're pretty clear on that. I'm not saying everyone who votes BNP does so because they're a complete racist, I think the Labour government, particularly Tony Blair, abandoned the working class, but it's still better than under the Torys. However, the BNP aren't shy about what they're about, they are very vocal on Muslims particularly & are very clear that non-whites are apparently not British.
They should be debated, because they are largely idiots, but they should also be subject to the same scrutiny others are. Do you really think its wrong to highlight exactly what kind of scum Nick Griffin, Mark Collett & Andrew Brons to name just a few are??
Oh & btw, the Nazis only attempted to 'purify' this great land once. The First World War had nothing honourable in its intentions, it was a bunch of empires sending their youngest off to die for what was effectively the empires having a dick swinging contest. The German Empire's collapse & the subsequent recession & the failures of the Weimar Republic are what led to Hitler's rise to power.
Im confused, did you vote for the BNP Hammer?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinYOU voted for them. Tell us.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Wonder how much of the voting public take time to actually study who they are voting for. What are their policys, why they feel the party is right for them etc? i also wonder how many vote simply due to reading the odd news story or word of ear from a friend or family member (bet those statistics would even shock little old me)
Do you genuinely think the 8% of the country that vote BNP do say because of a deep irrational hatred for all ethnic minoritys and strong alliance towards the very facist organisation that attempted to purify this great land on not 2 seperate occasions??
The questions being raised time and time again is how to stop the BNP...f*ck that
I know, you know, 90% of sane rational people know that the British National Party is bad bad news. But instead of running them into the mire just until the next fascist movement comes a calling i actually want to know why so many people are voting for them and the solutions for this
Do I think its possible that 8% of the voting public are racists? Of course I do, the world isn't perfect. The fact is this kind of stuff is all out in the open. It's not like anyone voting BNP doesn't really know what they stand for. They're pretty clear on that. I'm not saying everyone who votes BNP does so because they're a complete racist, I think the Labour government, particularly Tony Blair, abandoned the working class, but it's still better than under the Torys. However, the BNP aren't shy about what they're about, they are very vocal on Muslims particularly & are very clear that non-whites are apparently not British.
They should be debated, because they are largely idiots, but they should also be subject to the same scrutiny others are. Do you really think its wrong to highlight exactly what kind of scum Nick Griffin, Mark Collett & Andrew Brons to name just a few are??
Oh & btw, the Nazis only attempted to 'purify' this great land once. The First World War had nothing honourable in its intentions, it was a bunch of empires sending their youngest off to die for what was effectively the empires having a dick swinging contest. The German Empire's collapse & the subsequent recession & the failures of the Weimar Republic are what led to Hitler's rise to power.
I agree entirely with Jaz's comments.
Furthermore, whilst i don't believe that they should be banned or even hidden, i do believe that they should be mocked, laughed at, ridiculed, and torn to pieces.
Even if you were a racist fuck and liked their policies, the fact is they can't even display them coherently. Their strategies are basic and crude. Even aside from their disgusting views they are a political embarrasment.
'you can put a pig in a suit, but its still a fucking pig'.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8315226.stm
this should be good.
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Originally Posted by ryanmanIm confused, did you vote for the BNP Hammer?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinYOU voted for them. Tell us.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Do I think its possible that 8% of the voting public are racists? Of course I do, the world isn't perfect. The fact is this kind of stuff is all out in the open. It's not like anyone voting BNP doesn't really know what they stand for. They're pretty clear on that. I'm not saying everyone who votes BNP does so because they're a complete racist, I think the Labour government, particularly Tony Blair, abandoned the working class, but it's still better than under the Torys. However, the BNP aren't shy about what they're about, they are very vocal on Muslims particularly & are very clear that non-whites are apparently not British.
They should be debated, because they are largely idiots, but they should also be subject to the same scrutiny others are. Do you really think its wrong to highlight exactly what kind of scum Nick Griffin, Mark Collett & Andrew Brons to name just a few are??
Oh & btw, the Nazis only attempted to 'purify' this great land once. The First World War had nothing honourable in its intentions, it was a bunch of empires sending their youngest off to die for what was effectively the empires having a dick swinging contest. The German Empire's collapse & the subsequent recession & the failures of the Weimar Republic are what led to Hitler's rise to power.
I agree entirely with Jaz's comments.
Furthermore, whilst i don't believe that they should be banned or even hidden, i do believe that they should be mocked, laughed at, ridiculed, and torn to pieces.
Even if you were a racist fuck and liked their policies, the fact is they can't even display them coherently. Their strategies are basic and crude. Even aside from their disgusting views they are a political embarrasment.
'you can put a pig in a suit, but its still a fucking pig'.
Fourth post of the thread. He seems to be ignoring any of the questions about why he voted BNP on this thread, so I put that, his original argument up.
I cannot see the 'protest vote' argument about voting BNP. There are other parties that address immigration, like UKIP. Anyone voting BNP is basically sending a message to non-white Brits such as myself, at least if they're informed about what they're voting for, which you would think Hammer would be.
Like you I don't think they should be banned, you can't put a hold on free speech. However, they should be shown up for the bunch of bigoted frauds they really are. I'm proud to be British, I'm not letting a group of racist dicks who admire an Austrian tell me that I'm not.
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Originally Posted by JazMerkinhttp://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...voted-bnp.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanIm confused, did you vote for the BNP Hammer?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I agree entirely with Jaz's comments.
Furthermore, whilst i don't believe that they should be banned or even hidden, i do believe that they should be mocked, laughed at, ridiculed, and torn to pieces.
Even if you were a racist fuck and liked their policies, the fact is they can't even display them coherently. Their strategies are basic and crude. Even aside from their disgusting views they are a political embarrasment.
'you can put a pig in a suit, but its still a fucking pig'.
Fourth post of the thread. He seems to be ignoring any of the questions about why he voted BNP on this thread, so I put that, his original argument up.
I cannot see the 'protest vote' argument about voting BNP. There are other parties that address immigration, like UKIP. Anyone voting BNP is basically sending a message to non-white Brits such as myself, at least if they're informed about what they're voting for, which you would think Hammer would be.
Like you I don't think they should be banned, you can't put a hold on free speech. However, they should be shown up for the bunch of bigoted frauds they really are. I'm proud to be British, I'm not letting a group of racist dicks who admire an Austrian tell me that I'm not.
The protest vote argument is, as you say, utter crap.
The protest vote - you are unhappy with sleaze, corrpuption, and lack of morals in the main parties. The solution - vote for a party of bigots, criminals, and liars. A party that actively seeks to cover up (albeit poorly) their true ethos and motivations. A party that HATES a large number of BRITISH people.
I mean, WOW! what a great protest that is.
Yeah I actually want to watch this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Hopefully those dopey fucking middle-class hypocritical students don't mess up my entertainment. ;D
As said at the time my vote was based not in wanting a far right neo nazi fascist organisation running my country, more in that it was the direct route to many MANY people who dont exactly believe the holocaust didnt happen etc voicing their main concerns at the moment which is mass unemployment coupled with mass immigration from eastern europe and beyond.
In hindsight having seen and heard the filth that the party actually entails i shouldnt of voted with my feet but your argument that we should all instead of voted for the the UKIP, notoimmigration etc is floored for so many reasons. The vote itself was its way of showing the utter distaste for the current government and by voting for a party that is so far right it enabled subjects close to the working mans heart to force these issues to the forefront of the debate. Sadly instead the media has managed to completely reverse this around to how to stop this organisation rather than concentrating on why so many people voted in this manner.
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Originally Posted by FensterYeah I actually want to watch this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Hopefully those dopey fucking middle-class hypocritical students don't mess up my entertainment. ;D
Did you watch it?
I watched it, was dissapointed, I was under the impression Griffin was a decent mouthpiece, he came across as an idiot.I wanted it to descend into violence but hey, I swithced over and watched a bit of Saw III for that.His ability to deny ever saying or doing anything is second to none though, big up for that.
He looked very uncomfortable which I enjoyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Denials seemed to consist of A. I never said it. B I was misquoted. C I don't remember.
Classic high school tactics or that a of a politician.
People are complaining that there was no-one there who supported him..could it be despite the BNP gaining a foothold in politics they are very much a minority party and the programme was held in our most ethnically diverse city?
There is something of flaw in their thinking they represent- indigenous Britains...but that doesn't mean whites only but only caucasians can join the party?
Now the law has changed to force them to allow non-whites to join I think it would be fantastic if they all did. They would then have a say in BNP policy and challenge Nick Griffin for it's leadership ;D
The show was supposed to be all about nick griffin and he did indeed do his upmost to make himself look an absoloute tit
Talking about his KKK friends in the US, refusing to deny what he said about the holocaust. Expected the show to be 60 minutes of ethnic minoritys screaming and shouting at him but instead it was a very good insight into how these people actually feel about the dribble he spurts out.
But the headline act of the night was Jack Straws complete incompetence under pressure. The guy is like 3rd/4th in command to be PM and he completely made a tit of himself all night at one point blankly refusing to discuss the immigration issue and how labour were going to set it right by completely going around the block and getting laughed at by everyone concerned.
How the hell you manage to steal the show from a far right neo-nazi is completely beyond me...but he managed it ;D;D;D
Yeah I clocked the twitching eyes straight away. For a moment I thought if he really gets pushed he could flare up big time, shame.
Has this episode not been uploaded anywhere? I wouldn't mind watching it. I saw a few clips on Yahoo and a report on BBC world, but wouldn't mind seeing it in its entirety.
The BNP certainly knows how to make a stir, I have to give them that. But that's about all I will give them.
He looked terrible. Far to shifty, nervous and basically came across as an ultra-crap politician.
I thought that would happen. That's why I couldn't understand those dopes trying to stop him appearing.
You'd have to be a serious BNP nut to not think he came across as a chump.
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Originally Posted by miles
BBC Iplayer i imagine would have it on!
Your not missing anything, the far tastier stuff was going on outside!!
BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Griffin complaint over BBC 'mob'Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
BBC Iplayer i imagine would have it on!
Your not missing anything, the far tastier stuff was going on outside!!
The argument is not flawed. UKIP campaigned on a basis of dramatically slowing integration & withdrawal from the European Union, which would cut the immigration from Eastern Europe. So they basically did what you wanted. All the votes for them gave exactly the same message to the Government that you seem to have wanted. I can't believe you really had no idea what they were about. Don't give me that stuff about the 'working man', there are plenty of people who were concerned about immigration who don't need to vote BNP, it's been a key political voting point for the past century in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
The media has done nothing wrong in focusing exactly on what the BNP is about. If they didn't the idiots who voted for them who say they aren't racist would have no clearer an idea what they stand for & might well continue to vote for them.
As for the program itself, the only people who came away with their reputations enhanced were Bonnie Greer & David Dimbleby. Jack Straw did very well when dealing with Griffin, but handled that question on immigration abysmally & rightly so because the situation has been a joke, although he was right that immigration levels have dropped quite significantly in the last 18 months. On immigration, I don't feel anyone of the main parties is in a position to talk because the Conservatives & Labour are equally responsible to the position we're now in. The Lib Dems aren't but quite frankly their take on immigration is confused because they're unsure of who to pander to. Chris Huhne showed just why he was the only man who could have lost to Nick Clegg in any kind of leadership battle, he was suitably uninspired, although like everyone he had plenty to raise his game against Griffin.
That Sayeeda Warsi woman seemed really annoying to me, I felt that she very rarely put anything of value across. The case in point would be when Griffin said things that were false about Islam, rather than actually correct him, she chose to actually dismiss his views without any argument & it took an audience member to actually address what he said. I also thought that Dimbleby didn't go anywhere with her comments about homosexuality, which considering all the shit they'd given Griffin wasn't really fair (I can't believe I just wrote that). But, it's true, they tried to vilify Griffin for saying he found 2 men kissing repulsive (duh... what straight man enjoys it) & yet Warsi actually has come out with things just as homophobic as him. Thought there was a bit of a double standard & making it the 'Nick Griffin Show' going on there.
I respected Bonnie Greer the most because she was the only one who actually dealt with Griffin in the right way. She never tried to claim some moral high ground as the others did, but rather chose to speak to him as if he was a foolish teenager & was actually polite to a man who thinks she's inferior. Also like Dimbleby, she didn't constantly feel the need to exaggerate what Griffin said.
As for Griffin, he was absolutely shit, he knew very little of what he said, although sadly he is right, by many in his party's standards he is a 'moderniser' (ie ethnic minorities are deported not killed). The way he wouldn't address the holocaust question was laughable, as was his 'non-violent' KKK mate, David Duke. What a cunt
All Griffin had to say was he was foolish/young. That seems to be get out of most people and in some cases it's true but DD rightly questioned whether it was just a matter of him thinking the same things but saying what he thought would get him elected. A smirk isn't really an answer. I like the young Jewish kid who asked how he could deny the holocaust. Would loved to have seen him answer him directly.
Ministers warn of poll boost for BNP after Question Time | Politics | The Guardian
According to this & an article in the Daily Mail, they got a poll boost out of last night's performance, with allegedly thousands of people applying to join. Given what was said, I certainly can't see any way this could be about the fear of immigration.
That isn't good. But i wouldn't worry. Whilst they may have gained thousands of new members, the many thousands of people that were indifferent before but now hate them will go uncounted. In other words if they have had 3000 requests to join im sure there also have 10 times that amount that now hate them. Its just that new members are quantifiable whlist new haters aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Like most I think the BNP are a shitty, hate filled, petty little party who I can't take seriously at all.
However one thing I hate more than anything is when the public and media unite to engage in irrational hyperbole, demonisation, scaremongering and flat out hysteria about certain topics.
It just annoys me and when I hear all these whiny ass people raining down judgement on what is basically a party of clowns, and creating them into some kind of genuine political menace, it makes me want to vote for them just to spite them all.
Swine Flu annoyed me, the demonisation of the BNP party, as if they have any power or sway to begin with annoys me too.
I was just watching the episode now and could imagine the programme making some people more sympathetic to Griffin. His ideas might be repulsive, but at least he tried to answer his questions. His arguments about immigration are legitimate and it is those that most people will identify with. Jack Straw was just awful in answering that question about immigration. It was cringeworthy and shows the government is totally out of touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I don't like the BNP and think Griffin is a slimy and dangerous little toad, but I was kind of cheering him on against all the bullying tactics being used. The media response has been well over the top. The BNP is a tiny little party and all this attention is only going to give them a larger platform. Griffin came out of that programme relatively unscathed. The tactics used and the media overkill are the wrong approach to take IMO.
Dimbleby is ardant left wing and always has been. If he had his way he`d completely abolish border control and this country would be ram packed.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI was just watching the episode now and could imagine the programme making some people more sympathetic to Griffin. His ideas might be repulsive, but at least he tried to answer his questions. His arguments about immigration are legitimate and it is those that most people will identify with. Jack Straw was just awful in answering that question about immigration. It was cringeworthy and shows the government is totally out of touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I don't like the BNP and think Griffin is a slimy and dangerous little toad, but I was kind of cheering him on against all the bullying tactics being used. The media response has been well over the top. The BNP is a tiny little party and all this attention is only going to give them a larger platform. Griffin came out of that programme relatively unscathed. The tactics used and the media overkill are the wrong approach to take IMO.
Straw like most labour mps without blair pulling the strings is showing himself up to be completely incompetent. The guy couldnt spot an afghani from an alf garnett.
Its simply now a case of hoping the next tory government does a far better job of actually listening to the british peoples fears and not reacting once its too late. Doubt they will but if they did partys like the bnp would soon be back in the dolldrums trying to rally support at local events rather than making headline news due to their rising popularity!!
I like Dimbleby, on the whole he is pretty impartial and does pipe up when the politicians start to evade or meander.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerDimbleby is ardant left wing and always has been. If he had his way he`d completely abolish border control and this country would be ram packed.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI was just watching the episode now and could imagine the programme making some people more sympathetic to Griffin. His ideas might be repulsive, but at least he tried to answer his questions. His arguments about immigration are legitimate and it is those that most people will identify with. Jack Straw was just awful in answering that question about immigration. It was cringeworthy and shows the government is totally out of touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I don't like the BNP and think Griffin is a slimy and dangerous little toad, but I was kind of cheering him on against all the bullying tactics being used. The media response has been well over the top. The BNP is a tiny little party and all this attention is only going to give them a larger platform. Griffin came out of that programme relatively unscathed. The tactics used and the media overkill are the wrong approach to take IMO.
Straw like most labour mps without blair pulling the strings is showing himself up to be completely incompetent. The guy couldnt spot an afghani from an alf garnett.
Its simply now a case of hoping the next tory government does a far better job of actually listening to the british peoples fears and not reacting once its too late. Doubt they will but if they did partys like the bnp would soon be back in the dolldrums trying to rally support at local events rather than making headline news due to their rising popularity!!
It's obviously going to be a Tory government in next, and there is no doubt that immigration is an issue that needs to be tackled. I don't understand why immigration has been allowed to run so rampant without full checks and controls. I often compare how things are here with how they are back home and the difference is night and day. I was reading somewhere that it is estimated that 2 million of London's 7 million people were not even born in the UK. Those are crazy numbers, you would struggle to find 200,000 non-native residents in all of Seoul. And that has upwards of 15 million people.
Such massive change is bound to create upheaval if not fully planned and catered for and it all seems to be coming to fruition now, with a lot of unrest on the way. It all makes for curious viewing on the sidelines. Immigration must be tackled really, I can't see how it can be ignored any longer.
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Originally Posted by milesI like Dimbleby, on the whole he is pretty impartial and does pipe up when the politicians start to evade or meander.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerDimbleby is ardant left wing and always has been. If he had his way he`d completely abolish border control and this country would be ram packed.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Straw like most labour mps without blair pulling the strings is showing himself up to be completely incompetent. The guy couldnt spot an afghani from an alf garnett.
Its simply now a case of hoping the next tory government does a far better job of actually listening to the british peoples fears and not reacting once its too late. Doubt they will but if they did partys like the bnp would soon be back in the dolldrums trying to rally support at local events rather than making headline news due to their rising popularity!!
It's obviously going to be a Tory government in next, and there is no doubt that immigration is an issue that needs to be tackled. I don't understand why immigration has been allowed to run so rampant without full checks and controls. I often compare how things are here with how they are back home and the difference is night and day. I was reading somewhere that it is estimated that 2 million of London's 7 million people were not even born in the UK. Those are crazy numbers, you would struggle to find 200,000 non-native residents in all of Seoul. And that has upwards of 15 million people.
Such massive change is bound to create upheaval if not fully planned and catered for and it all seems to be coming to fruition now, with a lot of unrest on the way. It all makes for curious viewing on the sidelines. Immigration must be tackled really, I can't see how it can be ignored any longer.
The dangers of the impending welcoming into the EU were there for all too see and the torys and lib dems did genuinely do their upmost to warn of the inpending mass flocking to the country by polish and eastern european migrants looking for work.
The majority of these apparent "unwanted visitors" are hard working, law abiding people who put many working class brits to shame. But mass migration coupled with mass unemployment go hand in hand im afraid and the end result is the British National Party!!
havnt had time to read all this thread but my view is that the reason BNP have any votes is mainly fustration at how we feel let down by our current leaders. i think that half of those who voted BNP did it to make some kind of stand but dont actually want the thick b'stards in power.
Lol, no they didn't. The torys are the reason we're in Europe to begin with, but trust me no major political party would've operated a different system over the past decade, particularly not the torys for one reason. It was good for the businesses, it gave them some nice cheap labour. The recession has already led to many returning back to eastern europe. Labour sold the working-class of all colours out because of Blair's obsession of helping out big businesses. Immigrants from Europe were more cost-effective.Quote:
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Originally Posted by milesI like Dimbleby, on the whole he is pretty impartial and does pipe up when the politicians start to evade or meander.Quote:
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It's obviously going to be a Tory government in next, and there is no doubt that immigration is an issue that needs to be tackled. I don't understand why immigration has been allowed to run so rampant without full checks and controls. I often compare how things are here with how they are back home and the difference is night and day. I was reading somewhere that it is estimated that 2 million of London's 7 million people were not even born in the UK. Those are crazy numbers, you would struggle to find 200,000 non-native residents in all of Seoul. And that has upwards of 15 million people.
Such massive change is bound to create upheaval if not fully planned and catered for and it all seems to be coming to fruition now, with a lot of unrest on the way. It all makes for curious viewing on the sidelines. Immigration must be tackled really, I can't see how it can be ignored any longer.
The dangers of the impending welcoming into the EU were there for all too see and the torys and lib dems did genuinely do their upmost to warn of the inpending mass flocking to the country by polish and eastern european migrants looking for work.
The majority of these apparent "unwanted visitors" are hard working, law abiding people who put many working class brits to shame. But mass migration coupled with mass unemployment go hand in hand im afraid and the end result is the British National Party!!
As for Miles point that I emboldened, that figure is deceiving, as it includes a large number of people who have been living in Britain for up to 50 years. Let's put it in perspective, the largest groups are Indians, Irish, Bangladeshi, Jamaicans & Nigerians, all of whom have had significant communities for up to 30 years. All of those bar Ireland are also outside the EU, so have huge restriction on their immigration levels.
The countries that have more recently seen a sharp rise in immigration numbers to London are Americans, South Africans, Australians, Somalians & Germans. The numbers are largely as a result of London's time as the financial capital of the world (although all still controlled in New York, go figure :confused:), as a number of corporations brought in employees from different offices from around the world. Obviously there's not too many branches of JP Morgan in Mogadishu, so that doesn't explain that, although that is likely a result of the conflict there in the 90s. 75% of London is British born, which is not that shocking considering its status as a major world city. In comparison, only 64% of New York is US born. Hell, if anything pisses me off about London, it's all the 'immigrants' coming for jobs from Somerset, Hampshire & other Middle England hell-holes. Seriously, get an economy going in Cheltenham & fuck off ;D
Jaz you've definitely replaced ICB as the new google and wikipedia internet king of Saddo's.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinLol, no they didn't. The torys are the reason we're in Europe to begin with, but trust me no major political party would've operated a different system over the past decade, particularly not the torys for one reason. It was good for the businesses, it gave them some nice cheap labour. The recession has already led to many returning back to eastern europe. Labour sold the working-class of all colours out because of Blair's obsession of helping out big businesses. Immigrants from Europe were more cost-effective.Quote:
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Originally Posted by miles
The dangers of the impending welcoming into the EU were there for all too see and the torys and lib dems did genuinely do their upmost to warn of the inpending mass flocking to the country by polish and eastern european migrants looking for work.
The majority of these apparent "unwanted visitors" are hard working, law abiding people who put many working class brits to shame. But mass migration coupled with mass unemployment go hand in hand im afraid and the end result is the British National Party!!
As for Miles point that I emboldened, that figure is deceiving, as it includes a large number of people who have been living in Britain for up to 50 years. Let's put it in perspective, the largest groups are Indians, Irish, Bangladeshi, Jamaicans & Nigerians, all of whom have had significant communities for up to 30 years. All of those bar Ireland are also outside the EU, so have huge restriction on their immigration levels.
The countries that have more recently seen a sharp rise in immigration numbers to London are Americans, South Africans, Australians, Somalians & Germans. The numbers are largely as a result of London's time as the financial capital of the world (although all still controlled in New York, go figure :confused:), as a number of corporations brought in employees from different offices from around the world. Obviously there's not too many branches of JP Morgan in Mogadishu, so that doesn't explain that, although that is likely a result of the conflict there in the 90s. 75% of London is British born, which is not that shocking considering its status as a major world city. In comparison, only 64% of New York is US born. Hell, if anything pisses me off about London, it's all the 'immigrants' coming for jobs from Somerset, Hampshire & other Middle England hell-holes. Seriously, get an economy going in Cheltenham & fuck off ;D
But be careful about getting into too many heated debates and discussions, as you may find out, like I did how easy it is to have your mind and your free time taken over by this unhealthy obsession.
Lol, actually those are taken from a piece of sociology coursework I did a few years back on the demographics of London. Exciting stuff :p
You think that's impressive, wait till you see how good I am at chess ;)