Of the current Belt holders at HW who do you consider the Man.

Who is the man at HW?

I've gone Vitali as he was the man before he left and no-one really took the mantle and now he's back and is the best again.

vitalis the man for me

To be dethroned you have to be beat which he hasnt yet been

I think Vitali is the man at heavyweight. I can't see anyone having a real chance against him. With Wlad, there are guys who have a reasonable puncher's chance that would hinder him being a dominant champ but not the case with Vitali.

Simple, Wladimir, he's 11(8 KO)-0 since the loss to Lamon Brewster in 2004, he's unified titles, he's defended the IBF title 7 times producing 6 stoppages, he's fought 4 southpaws and beaten all of them KO'ing 3, and he's beaten Ruslan Chagaev who at the time was the highest ranked challenger in the entire division and he did it on short notice and he stopped him.

Vitali has beaten Sam Peter (Wlad already beat him), Juan Carlos Gomez (he looked a little sloppy in that fight), and Cris Arreola....Vitali is fighting regularly and doing very well but just to be even at the top of this division he's going to need to win the WBA belt.

People will say I am biased but Wlad has had some tough style matchups and he has come through with wins in all of them.

Wlad. He's beaten ever challenge in the division minus his brother and David Haye. He would've beat Haye too had he not backed out.

I voted Valuev because there was no John Ruiz option. We all know he's the TRUE champ. Seriously, saying 'I expect 0 votes' is just too tempting if you're bored on a Friday night.

Truthfully, I've got to say its Wlad. In years to come we will appreciate how good he is. I don't think he is or ever will be Top 10 of all time at HW, but for me he's already Top 20.

Wlad for me, he's got the Ring & Saddo Championship belts!

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I voted Valuev because there was no John Ruiz option. We all know he's the TRUE champ. Seriously, saying 'I expect 0 votes' is just too tempting if you're bored on a Friday night.

Truthfully, I've got to say its Wlad. In years to come we will appreciate how good he is. I don't think he is or ever will be Top 10 of all time at HW, but for me he's already Top 20.

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I knew someone wouldn't be able to resist lol.

I think Vitali will go down above Wlad and if they were to fight, which they understandably won't, I think Vitali would beat Wlad via mid round KO!

...I don't know about that, people are so certain Vitali would beat Wladimir, but it's not like Wlad is a slouch, it's not like Wlad can't box, it's not like Vitali is head and shoulders better than Wlad. Wladimir has a better arsenal than Vitali and is far superior as a BOXER and if he was to press the action I doubt Vitali (who fights in spurts) would be able to handle it.

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...I don't know about that, people are so certain Vitali would beat Wladimir, but it's not like Wlad is a slouch, it's not like Wlad can't box, it's not like Vitali is head and shoulders better than Wlad. Wladimir has a better arsenal than Vitali and is far superior as a BOXER and if he was to press the action I doubt Vitali (who fights in spurts) would be able to handle it.

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I think Vitali is underrated as a boxer. Ok he might not be as text book as Wlad but he doesn't make many mistakes either and when he does he has a very good (although i'm not sure it's as good as it once was) chin.

Another thing is Wlad nearly always has height and reach on his side and when he doesn't it's against someone who is not anywhere near his league (not that there are many in the Klits league at the mo), but against Vitali he would be giving up 2 inches in height and I think they both have 80" reach so that would be equal.

It's a shame they are brothers really because there is a genuine big time HW clash there and we will never see it!

...it's fun to speculate, but I'd back Wlad in a fight vs Vitali he's more fundamentally sound

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...it's fun to speculate, but I'd back Wlad in a fight vs Vitali he's more fundamentally sound

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True..... But isn't that what people were saying about Michael Spinks going into the Tyson fight??

I wouldn't know, but Spinks could be as sound as Ray Robinson it wouldn't change the fact he was basically a light heavyweight

It's a farcical situation imo. Of course Wlad probably deserves the spot as he's defended his belt many times and tried to unify the division.

His brother coming back has thrown a wrench into things though. He won't ever unify of course, and will never fight his brother but if they were not related and could go up against each other, I have little doubt, that even at 38 Vitali beats the snot out of the younger Wladimir.

i am going with vitali, just because he fought lewis & lewis was such a dominant HW champ that the fact vitali stayed in a real fight with him that i gotta go for him! if vitali fought wlad i would defo go for the older brother by KO

I voted Wlad based on his skill. But I think he has more skill to win than Vitali, and Vitali has more will to win than Wlad. I think that will beats skill, but by the fact that Vitali retired, he doesn't just come back and say I am still the man any more than Lennox Lewis could. I could make my logic seem better or worse for that fact but I have been up 24 hours. Night all.

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...it's fun to speculate, but I'd back Wlad in a fight vs Vitali he's more fundamentally sound

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Vitali. He is simply awesome. I don't understand your point of view Lyle. Wlad is a joke for me. I'm waiting for somebody to test his chin again.

i think vitali beat sall the heavys out there at the moment

dont know if i can say the same abt wlad

Wlad gets my vote, he is the best of the current crop.

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...it's fun to speculate, but I'd back Wlad in a fight vs Vitali he's more fundamentally sound

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Vitali. He is simply awesome. I don't understand your point of view Lyle. Wlad is a joke for me. I'm waiting for somebody to test his chin again.

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...so you've been waiting 5-6 years for Wlad to get KO'd again? For a guy you don't consider dominant and who has fought the best competition out there that's a long time to wait for something you assume is easy to do.

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...it's fun to speculate, but I'd back Wlad in a fight vs Vitali he's more fundamentally sound

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Vitali. He is simply awesome. I don't understand your point of view Lyle. Wlad is a joke for me. I'm waiting for somebody to test his chin again.

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...so you've been waiting 5-6 years for Wlad to get KO'd again? For a guy you don't consider dominant and who has fought the best competition out there that's a long time to wait for something you assume is easy to do.

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No I'm not denying he is a talented boxer who knows how to negate his opponent's skills. I just can't abide by having a Heavyweight Champion who seems so afraid of getting punched. Every time Chagaev got within punching range, he grabbed hold as quickly as possible. Against Ibragimov he had him finished in the 9th, but let him out of trouble to put us through 3 more rounds of crap. Against Rahman, he could have finished him in the 1st, but again let it go. I just think his lack of belief in himself will be his undoing. Vitali is a real champion. Fights the more dangerous opponents for me and I think he'd KO his brother if they every fought.

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Vitali. He is simply awesome. I don't understand your point of view Lyle. Wlad is a joke for me. I'm waiting for somebody to test his chin again.

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...so you've been waiting 5-6 years for Wlad to get KO'd again? For a guy you don't consider dominant and who has fought the best competition out there that's a long time to wait for something you assume is easy to do.

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No I'm not denying he is a talented boxer who knows how to negate his opponent's skills. I just can't abide by having a Heavyweight Champion who seems so afraid of getting punched. Every time Chagaev got within punching range, he grabbed hold as quickly as possible. Against Ibragimov he had him finished in the 9th, but let him out of trouble to put us through 3 more rounds of crap. Against Rahman, he could have finished him in the 1st, but again let it go. I just think his lack of belief in himself will be his undoing. Vitali is a real champion. Fights the more dangerous opponents for me and I think he'd KO his brother if they every fought.

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Wlad knows as does everyone else in boxing that his biggest problem is his chin, and boxing is first and foremost about winning.

So Wlad spoils a lot now because he knows if he holds when his opponent is on the inside it will basically nullify pretty much anyone out there at the moment because he can use his size and reach to control from the outside and there are not many fast HW's at the minute who can move in under the jab and fire bombs and move away without being held.

For me a prime Tyson would be the Nightmare opponent for modern day Wlad because of the way he bobbed his way in so fast and then hit so damned hard when he did connect, which was often. I think that particular fight would be similar to the Tyson - Holmes fight where Tyson fought the greatest jabber of all time IMO, who fair enough was past his prime
but was still very competent and lets face it no matter how anyone tries to build Wlad up he isn't on the same level as Larry.

But to get back to the point, Wlad isn't the most exciting fighter in the world, but since his last defeat to brewster, except maybe when he was down against Peter (I don't think he looked too troubled) he has not looked at all troubled due to his safety first approach and he won't change a winning formula until it is no longer that.

Wladimir might be the nightmare opponent for Tyson when you look at what limits Tyson's style had. You can bob and weave all you want, but the 1-2 of Wladimir plus the FACT that Tyson throughout his career was easy to tie up...those wouldn't make it an easy fight for Tyson. Now if Tyson connected he'd probably end the fight quickly, but Wladimir is very good at controlling the pace of a fight these days.

As a true fan of Wlad's I am frustrated when he doesn't "go for the kill", but I understand the reasons why he doesn't: Purrity, Sanders, and Brewster. In the Ibragimov fight, Sultan was loading up for a counter left cross for the whole second half of the fight, he just shelled up and was in a position where Wlad had to move Sultan to land any punches on him. In the Rahman fight...I have no idea what happened, when Wlad floored Hasim that SHOULD have been the end of the fight.

I think not only may Wlad be nervous about getting hit, I think he's also apprehensive about someone being able to take his best punches.

talking of tyson, we all know he was a bloody good fighter but when he dominated he didnt have the best opposition, imagine if in his prime lewis, wlad, vitali were abt think it would of been a different story then

i know i have gone off the thread title abut but just a thought

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talking of tyson, we all know he was a bloody good fighter but when he dominated he didnt have the best opposition, imagine if in his prime lewis, wlad, vitali were abt think it would of been a different story then

i know i have gone off the thread title abut but just a thought

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Exactly. Tyson is the best marketed fighter since Leonard and it was easy because of his competition and exciting fast powerful style. I think he beats both brothers though, Wlad is too chinny for a fast monstrous hitter like Tyson, and Vitali is too willing to be hit at times. But never ever would he beat a prime Lennox or Evander.

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talking of tyson, we all know he was a bloody good fighter but when he dominated he didnt have the best opposition, imagine if in his prime lewis, wlad, vitali were abt think it would of been a different story then

i know i have gone off the thread title abut but just a thought

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Exactly. Tyson is the best marketed fighter since Leonard and it was easy because of his competition and exciting fast powerful style. I think he beats both brothers though, Wlad is too chinny for a fast monstrous hitter like Tyson, and Vitali is too willing to be hit at times. But never ever would he beat a prime Lennox or Evander.

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i agree with that post 100%

just had me thinking who did tyson not fight who he should of when he was in his reign? foreman, anyone think of anyone else?

I can't really pick between Wladamir and Vitali.

I like both guys alot and they have both proved to be the best in their division.

Wlad is clearly the man......He has defended his belt repeatedly against top 10 heavyweights and KO'd most all of them. Yeah Vitali is a close second cause is has been on a mission since his return.....

Also, I wouldnt favor Vitali over Wlad, Anyone in the HW division has KO power and Wlad has found a way to difuse it. Wlad is much more athletic and skilled than Vitali. They will never fight. If they did it would be for huge money and they would agree to who would win before the fight.......I would say Wlad by decision....

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talking of tyson, we all know he was a bloody good fighter but when he dominated he didnt have the best opposition, imagine if in his prime lewis, wlad, vitali were abt think it would of been a different story then

i know i have gone off the thread title abut but just a thought

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Exactly. Tyson is the best marketed fighter since Leonard and it was easy because of his competition and exciting fast powerful style. I think he beats both brothers though, Wlad is too chinny for a fast monstrous hitter like Tyson, and Vitali is too willing to be hit at times. But never ever would he beat a prime Lennox or Evander.

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i agree with that post 100%

just had me thinking who did tyson not fight who he should of when he was in his reign? foreman, anyone think of anyone else?

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I'd have liked to see him against Witherspoon. Not saying Witherspoon would have beat him, but he may have caused him a few problems that Mike wouldn't have liked.

If they were to actually fight:

I think Vitali's style of fighting with his his guard down would probably be his undoing against Wladimir...

Then again, it is rare that Wladimir has fought someone as tall as he is, so Vitali could give him a lot of trouble, especially considering how he has a good chin. Vitali's reach just might get him the lucky shot to KO Wladimir, but I think if that didn't happen then Wladimir would probably win on points.

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If they were to actually fight:

I think Vitali's style of fighting with his his guard down would probably be his undoing against Wladimir...

Then again, it is rare that Wladimir has fought someone as tall as he is, so Vitali could give him a lot of trouble, especially considering how he has a good chin. Vitali's reach just might get him the lucky shot to KO Wladimir, but I think if that didn't happen then Wladimir would probably win on points.

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This fight would not go the distance, but even if it did it would be because Wlad had covered up and taken a lot to the arms and body and had a seriously low workrate, so to me any decision would be Vitali's.

Realistically I think Vitali would KO Wlad within 8.

Wlad's workrate is better than Vitali's...FACT

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Exactly. Tyson is the best marketed fighter since Leonard and it was easy because of his competition and exciting fast powerful style. I think he beats both brothers though, Wlad is too chinny for a fast monstrous hitter like Tyson, and Vitali is too willing to be hit at times. But never ever would he beat a prime Lennox or Evander.

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i agree with that post 100%

just had me thinking who did tyson not fight who he should of when he was in his reign? foreman, anyone think of anyone else?

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I'd have liked to see him against Witherspoon. Not saying Witherspoon would have beat him, but he may have caused him a few problems that Mike wouldn't have liked.

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yeah, think bonecrusher put an end to that fight tho:mad:

there really wasnt any fighters that good when tyson was in his prime

Wlads the champ:bow: but Vitali maybe the man:bowdown:

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Wlad's workrate is better than Vitali's...FACT

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Where's that proven?? Lets have a look at some punch stats.

CompuBox: The last two fights of Vitali Klitschko and Chris Arreola - Bad Left Hook

Wladimir Klitschko vs. Hasim Rahman - CompuBox Stats

Right then if you follow the links above you'll see I've found the punch output of Vitali vs Sam Peter and Gomez and Wlad vs Rahman. Now Vitali's average is worked out for you and it's 64.6 avaerage punches thrown per round. Wlads is not worked out for you but it's easy enough to work out and it is 58.57. Now to me that works out as Vitali having the higher punch output if you ask me.

So how is it FACT that Wladimir's workrate is better than Vitali's?