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Ever since he was dominated by Hopkins, Pavlik seems to be on a downward spiral. This may be a long shot but I see his carreer ending up similar to Jermain Taylors in a sense. I know an infection is an infection but the postponing of these fights, the arrest, getting drunk, falling through glass windows ect..... I think this is a classic case of someone who can't handle losing. I didn't ever see him beating paul williams anyway? Does anyone else think his mind isnt in the game or what?
I figured Williams being a southpaw and very active would give Pavlik a tough fight anyway but Pavlik is a mystery right now, his hand is hurt he may never have the power he once had, he might be an alcoholic which may affect his mental state and his training, and he hasn't fought in a long time.
All good reasons why he might get picked off by a lesser opponent than Williams.
Well I don't know if he is or will be on a downward spiral. He might be in a depression but one doesn't know. I think he just needs to get busy plain and simple. I am one of the very few who thinks he will stop Williams.
Pavlik needs to stay at 160 where his power is crazy good,in his two fights above that weight he just doesn't seem to have the same pop for some reason. I don't think he's physically done, but mentally he could be done. He used to be one of them guys that didn't do much talking outside of the ring and let his fists do the "trash" talking, seems like he's letting his mouth do it more and more, plus the alcohol might be fucking with him. I don't think he's done tho if he can re dedicate himself to training, remember what got him to the top, realize he's not invincible/unbeatable and he'll do just fine. He's never going to be a slick boxer therefore certain styles like hopkins' will always present a challenge to him, but there is only one hopkins. He needs to get that infection taken care of and get back in the ring.
Pavlik has already come close to dying in relation to this infection. The treatment almost killed him
Kelly Pavlik 'close to the edge' after allergic reaction - ESPN
I need to see him fight before saying he's ruined
naw in a weak division and with his 1-2 he can still beat alot of guys
really hope he isnt finished
He's not ruined just glaringly exposed.
pavlik brings so much to boxing he is like a ricky hatton, will always have the working class following him. i always thought pavlik was a pretty easy nights work for calzaghe. maybe we being a little harsh on him as stated earlier hopkins is not your average fighter he is a smart tough SOB & i stated b4 he fought hopkins that pavlik had nothing to gain from fighting him
I disagree, had Pavlik KO'd Hopkins he would have earned a great deal of respect.
Pavlik just fights in a bully style, he has slow hands, he rarely moves his head (but he has decent defense which makes up for that), his punches aren't sharp they are the Foreman-esque thudding power shots and some guys find that a lot easier to prepare for, for some odd reason.
I think Kelly has some bigger issues than boxing is all and I think he's feeling sorry for himself for losing to Hopkins that bad. Lots of fighters have battled drugs and alcohol outside the ring, Kelly isn't the first and he won't be the last...he just needs to chill out from boxing for a while and heal up mentally, physically, psychologically....he could return as a better fighter or he could just be happier away from the sport
im answering too this thread without reading everthing thats been written, my view is that the staff infection is bullshit, i happen too no that pavlik suffers with deppression, me myself have suffered with it, its no joke. my view is that kelly has not dealt with the hopkins loss too well, who can blame him he was schooled like an infant was fucked by a senior. no shit. thats the way it goes. my view is that he has lost his confidence and his invincabilatee that he once had has gone, and too a fighter of his aura is his world and i think he has lost that, i hope he gets it back
I don't think Hopkins had anything to do with his current situation. After the Rubio fight, he got a cortisone shot on his knuckle. A staph infection developed at the needle sight. He got treatment, it never helped so he found himself sidelined. He got into trouble during this down time but it was not the first time. he had episodes long before Hopkins of getting drunk, being a dick and once for beating up a cop etc.
The infection lead to two operations over the summer due to just not going away. It was hard to cure because of it being located in one of his extremities. They thought they finally had the infection beat. Setting up fights and the forced cancellations caused them to get desperate. he got aggressive treatment in September and he ended up almost dying from shock because of it and ended up spending 5 days in the hospital.
Although they think the infection is gone now, his lack of the use of his hand, the scar tissue buildup etc is preventing his from making a fist. That will come back in time. His situation is just having an injury that just took much longer to fix than they ever anticipated. It has lead to a long layoff but I bet we will see him back in the ring no later than January/February with a ton of rust to work off.
i hope ur right dean, for the sake of boxing i hope ur statement is more true than mine broQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
He's done.
The fact that Pavlik to my knowledge, hasnt done any interviews or said very much about his problems seems to have escalated the situation in the eyes of boxing fans. The silence is deafening and appears to me that his situation is looking pretty dire.
pavlik may of gained respect for beatin hopkins but everyone would of said that hopkins was over the hill (regardless of fight with JC) I think the idea was to prove he was better than calzaghe & it went horribly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Pavlik hasn't fought so how can anyone know anything. Ruined from what being pitter patted by a guy who lost twice to a guy who's being ko'd by anyone that even looks at him ?? Let the guy fight first. People are shittin on a guy not willing to fight with a staff infection on his hand while Hopkins is healthy and ain't fought since. Maybe he should be labeled ruined or something. Besides no 1 contender. What a joke
To early to tell, if he can't get his shit together:alcoholic: then yes
I thought Taylors reign was bad
The Ghost has really disappeared:vd:
I think that Pavlik's situation is not what it seems at the moment because it is a conjecture of many things:
1) a bad injury with a treatment that almost killed him.
2) a few dubious antics outside the ring.
3) a loopsided defeat against Hopkins.
What peoples tend to say now is that after his defeat to Hopkins, Pavlik is spiraling down, started to drink, fighting outside the ring and that he'll never recover from the injury. To me, these are 3 separated things; The injury and treatment he has that almost killed him have nothing to do with his defeat to Hopkins. His antics outside the ring possibly neither, maybe te guy was drinking here and here before the defeat and it's only because we've heard about it now that peoples are making these assumptions.
It is clearly too soon to say anything about that and we'll only have a definitive answer when Pavlik will have fought at least 2 more times against meaningful opponents.
Pavliks going to have a hard time getting that momentum back
The middles don't have any stars
If he could get Sturm in the ring & pound him he'd gain back a measure of respect
Winky might be the biggest fight out there for him
Unless he steps up & fights the winner of Bute-Andrade
i agree with everything you said except the pitter patted thing, Hopkins landed hard solid shots on Pavlik all night, nothing to ruin a fighter but he didn't do a Calzaghe and slap his opponent all night longQuote:
Originally Posted by Mar