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So the Haye Valuev undercard has been announced, thoughts??
(According to BoxRec)
heavyweight Nikolay Valuev vs David Haye 12
heavyweight John Ruiz vs Adnan Serin 10
super middleweight George Groves vs TBA 10
cruiserweight Alexander Frenkel vs TBA 8
cruiserweight Francisco Palacios vs TBA 8
heavyweight Sergey Lyakhovich vs TBA 8
heavyweight Oleg Platov vs Cengiz Koc 8
heavyweight Edmund Gerber vs Shawn McLean 8
heavyweight Kubrat Pulev vs TBA 6
middleweight Marcos Nader vs TBA 6
surprised ruiz is on the card
but undercards now are generally a fkin disgrace, i remember when we used to get bloody great undercards:mad:
I think Ruiz was always on the card as part of the "step aside" arrangement, its another payday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
oh yeah sorry i remember reading something abt that, so if valuev wins he fight ruiz (i cant wait) if haye wins he fights ruiz (oh i just cant contain myself) ;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by gutshotkidI think Ruiz was always on the card as part of the "step aside" arrangement, its another payday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
One more reason why we want Haye to win, to finally retire Ruiz, who would want to watch a third fight between Valuev and Ruiz?
Me too. I think the night Tyson fought Holyfield they called it judgement night and we had Eubank and Hamed on over here before they crossed over to the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
Might be wrong as it was a while ago and I was only 12! 90% sure though.
cant see ruiz keeping haye off him! so better if haye beats valuev for everyone|
the only good thing anyone seems to say abt valuev is that he is big!
To be honest that is all he has. Saying that he is probably the best 300lbs+ fighter of all time. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
yeah ha ha, shannon brigga must be 300lbs+ now what abt ricky hatton?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuTo be honest that is all he has. Saying that he is probably the best 300lbs+ fighter of all time. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
When he's not in camp Hatton looks like Butterbean's son Babybean but with hair lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoyeah ha ha, shannon brigga must be 300lbs+ now what abt ricky hatton?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuTo be honest that is all he has. Saying that he is probably the best 300lbs+ fighter of all time. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
;D
imagine how much fun muhammed ali would of had fighting valuev, imagine the pre fight antics;D
Someone of Ali's class could have totally toyed with Valuev from the opening bell and before the fight??? God how many times do you think the word UGLY would be used?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
alot ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuSomeone of Ali's class could have totally toyed with Valuev from the opening bell and before the fight??? God how many times do you think the word UGLY would be used?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
Frazier is so ugly that he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life.
So, that would mean Valuev should donate his to some kind of anti drug campaign aimed at young kids.... "don't do drugs or this will happen to you" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragoalot ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuSomeone of Ali's class could have totally toyed with Valuev from the opening bell and before the fight??? God how many times do you think the word UGLY would be used?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
Frazier is so ugly that he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life.
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuSo, that would mean Valuev should donate his to some kind of anti drug campaign aimed at young kids.... "don't do drugs or this will happen to you" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragoalot ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Frazier is so ugly that he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life.
"Why, Chump, I bet you scare yourself to death just starin' in the mirror. You ugly bear! You ain't never fought nobody but tramps and has been's. You call yourself a world champion? You're too old and slow to be champion!"
I hope George Groves is on the televised part of the card. He looks like he could have a good career.
Oh hell yeah Ruiz in action again!! I can't wait for him to get another title shot.
he'd probably find a way to fuck with Frazier lol saying that he found the gorilla's older brother lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuSo, that would mean Valuev should donate his to some kind of anti drug campaign aimed at young kids.... "don't do drugs or this will happen to you" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago
"Why, Chump, I bet you scare yourself to death just starin' in the mirror. You ugly bear! You ain't never fought nobody but tramps and has been's. You call yourself a world champion? You're too old and slow to be champion!"
Looks like TBA is in for a busy night................
I'll make my final mind once we know who are the "TBA" as to me, for now, it can dangle from correct to mediocre still. And for God's sake, we don't want Ruiz-Valuev, we don't want Ruiz-Valuev!!!!
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
very exciting fighter
hard to get excited about someone so early in their career but he definitely has raw talent and lots of potential
Hope they stick him in with a live opponent....he is ready!!
Does anyone know the approximate start time for the Haye vs. Valuev fight ??
I see Sky Box Office coverage begins at 9pm but they will probably kick off with the poor undercard named today.
Got a few mates round for the fight and just basically need to know roughly what time the fight is on and whether the fight will start at some ridiculous hour to suit the US ??
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Originally Posted by razor25
german main events usually get going around 11ish
expect them to be in the ring around that time
That's the WORST undercard i've ever seen for a Brit PPV. Shocking.
I dont understand why the fuck this is on PPV??
Haye hasnt actully got any fans??
Dont you think it's a good idea to let these fights be free to air so more people tune in and build him up.
Khan got 30k ppv's cant imagine how shit this ppv will do.
To be honest mate, it's only a bad matchup for people who know how bad Valuev is.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
The general public sees a British HW going to fight a giant. I've heard a lot of casual fans talking about it & being quite excited. Plus if it's not on at a ridiculous time, it will benefit. As bad as Khan-Kotelnik did, Khan-Barrera did very well, because Barrera had the profile to help raise the event for your average fan.
This should be free, I am not paying for it but will watch the repeat and hope for a live stream on the day.
Sounds a bit like Haye now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuSo, that would mean Valuev should donate his to some kind of anti drug campaign aimed at young kids.... "don't do drugs or this will happen to you" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago
"Why, Chump, I bet you scare yourself to death just starin' in the mirror. You ugly bear! You ain't never fought nobody but tramps and has been's. You call yourself a world champion? You're too old and slow to be champion!"
i have heard a few people talking abt this fight who dont usually mention boxing, its just because of the size of valuev, fk most people never even seen a haye fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTo be honest mate, it's only a bad matchup for people who know how bad Valuev is.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
The general public sees a British HW going to fight a giant. I've heard a lot of casual fans talking about it & being quite excited. Plus if it's not on at a ridiculous time, it will benefit. As bad as Khan-Kotelnik did, Khan-Barrera did very well, because Barrera had the profile to help raise the event for your average fan.
I agree. Haye is currently in a similar position to that of Calzaghe around the time of the Lacy fight. Most of the public didn't really know who he was, just knew he was a boxer & had seen a little bit of him. However, the opponent is then sold as being unbeatable as Lacy was & Valuev is due to his size (I know he's been beaten, but most will see 50+ fights with only 1 defeat & think he's amazing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoi have heard a few people talking abt this fight who dont usually mention boxing, its just because of the size of valuev, fk most people never even seen a haye fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTo be honest mate, it's only a bad matchup for people who know how bad Valuev is.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
The general public sees a British HW going to fight a giant. I've heard a lot of casual fans talking about it & being quite excited. Plus if it's not on at a ridiculous time, it will benefit. As bad as Khan-Kotelnik did, Khan-Barrera did very well, because Barrera had the profile to help raise the event for your average fan.
I think this does quite well, it's probably the best Sky have marketed a fight since Hatton-Mayweather. More importantly I reckon if Haye wins he becomes an overnight star similar to how Calzaghe did after the Lacy fight.
haye shouls be on the BBC, the stupid twats, they havnt a clue how much of a star he could be
You remember how full the papers were after Lewis beat Holyfield? It was on the back page for a full week, now your lucky if boxing makes the papers once a week. I'd love that for Haye. Not saying he deserves it for this but one day maybe!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI agree. Haye is currently in a similar position to that of Calzaghe around the time of the Lacy fight. Most of the public didn't really know who he was, just knew he was a boxer & had seen a little bit of him. However, the opponent is then sold as being unbeatable as Lacy was & Valuev is due to his size (I know he's been beaten, but most will see 50+ fights with only 1 defeat & think he's amazing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoi have heard a few people talking abt this fight who dont usually mention boxing, its just because of the size of valuev, fk most people never even seen a haye fightQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I think this does quite well, it's probably the best Sky have marketed a fight since Hatton-Mayweather. More importantly I reckon if Haye wins he becomes an overnight star similar to how Calzaghe did after the Lacy fight.
has britain turned its back on boxing or are we in need of a new hero?
Part of that was down to Lewis building up a following over the previous 5 years through fighting at the domestic level against the likes of Bruno.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuYou remember how full the papers were after Lewis beat Holyfield? It was on the back page for a full week, now your lucky if boxing makes the papers once a week. I'd love that for Haye. Not saying he deserves it for this but one day maybe!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI agree. Haye is currently in a similar position to that of Calzaghe around the time of the Lacy fight. Most of the public didn't really know who he was, just knew he was a boxer & had seen a little bit of him. However, the opponent is then sold as being unbeatable as Lacy was & Valuev is due to his size (I know he's been beaten, but most will see 50+ fights with only 1 defeat & think he's amazing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
I think this does quite well, it's probably the best Sky have marketed a fight since Hatton-Mayweather. More importantly I reckon if Haye wins he becomes an overnight star similar to how Calzaghe did after the Lacy fight.
I remember when Hatton fought Mayweather it was probably the main feature in the sports pages along with football for the preceding week & subsequent few days.
I think it's just there isn't really a fighter at or approaching his peak who's a superstar over here. Hatton's time is gone. Khan is probably currently the closest, but they switched him to PPV way too early.
the last PPV's i purchased were hatton/pacman & hatton/mayweather
they were really big fights & i can understand to a certain point why they were PPV
but fk khan being PPV & fk haye/valuev being PPV
I agree!! thats why I've bought ringside seats for the fight, that'll teach sky!! ......hang on a minute..........:11fb8:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
ha ha nice 1Quote:
Originally Posted by gutshotkidI agree!! thats why I've bought ringside seats for the fight, that'll teach sky!! ......hang on a minute..........:11fb8:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
Yep, totally agree. For instance my friend's wife is planning to pay for it. Purely due to curiosity about Valuev's size. As she puts it she 'can't imagine how Haye will be able to reach his head'. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTo be honest mate, it's only a bad matchup for people who know how bad Valuev is.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
The general public sees a British HW going to fight a giant. I've heard a lot of casual fans talking about it & being quite excited. Plus if it's not on at a ridiculous time, it will benefit. As bad as Khan-Kotelnik did, Khan-Barrera did very well, because Barrera had the profile to help raise the event for your average fan.
I have to totally diagree everyone I know doesnt give two shits about this fight, theres not a chance any of them would pay 15 quid to watch it, i predict this will do terrible numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYep, totally agree. For instance my friend's wife is planning to pay for it. Purely due to curiosity about Valuev's size. As she puts it she 'can't imagine how Haye will be able to reach his head'. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTo be honest mate, it's only a bad matchup for people who know how bad Valuev is.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
The general public sees a British HW going to fight a giant. I've heard a lot of casual fans talking about it & being quite excited. Plus if it's not on at a ridiculous time, it will benefit. As bad as Khan-Kotelnik did, Khan-Barrera did very well, because Barrera had the profile to help raise the event for your average fan.
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Originally Posted by skel1983I have to totally diagree everyone I know doesnt give two shits about this fight, theres not a chance any of them would pay 15 quid to watch it, i predict this will do terrible numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYep, totally agree. For instance my friend's wife is planning to pay for it. Purely due to curiosity about Valuev's size. As she puts it she 'can't imagine how Haye will be able to reach his head'. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Theres a LOT of interest about this over here in Malta but no one has to pay for it ;)
Load of us piling into a bar for it and you can get PPV channels here free through Dreambox.
Your bang on mate this will get terrible viewing figures through the UK PPV as Haye isn't exactly a Hatton or Calzaghe.
If he wins (I think he can win this) then he'll be an overnight superstar no question.
The nearer this gets the more intruiging the clash of styles is and Ruslan Chagaev beating Valuev and being only 6ft 1 tall says a lot about how this may pan out.
Haye is def more athletic , quicker and arguably has more power than Chag.;)