Dam this a great move.

http://i38.tinypic.com/23vl4iv.jpg
Taken from Kingfrnks page.


I love not only the initial move which speaks for itself of course but watch his footwork on leaving its a skip away in switch stance so that his last move is his right leg goes back around his left leg to get him back into his natural stance.

This is not just an accident this man knows his stuff.

If he had just gone straight there(without the skip) he would still be in range. But instead: even with the risks involved in pulling this off, he has kept one last distancing mechanism just in case he gets chased out or followed out with a reaching cross.(his last leg move would naturally dissolve any power out of a following punch and it would put him in the position of having time to land over it after it fell short.

That is a really smooth move. I saved that pic when I saw it before. ;D

I think that a lot of it is a result of from his uncle roger's pad work. I posted some vids recently. Floyd has that lean back move down to a reflex, and if his opponent follows up with a left hook or right hand he's trained to either block or roll under it and out like he did here.

He plays safe and wins in style.
Hows how exposed Juans ribs were and how fully loaded Floyds left side was when they became exposed ; but he is regimented and went for the space and the clean point ahead.

*sniffs* just beautiful :eek:

(being serious) I loved that move (those moves) when I saw that but seeing as a whole thread has been dedicated to it makes me want to really learn both seeing as both are useful.

Generally leaning back is the wrong idea but he does it so fast and efficiently that he can be back in position in less than a split second.

ps. Chris, are you the one that actually made the vids? If so, caps please ;D

Somethings I find great to build upon, Like for practice sake if someone came at you over committed; lunging with a straight shot for instance and you did nothing but switched stance, even with your hands behind your back.So long as you didnt move forward, you would avoid the shot as it came at you and your feet would take your head from the inside of their arm around to the outside of their arm.

So if you did this while retreating, then you have created more space so you can control their arm on its extension and your loaded to follow it back home.

Anyway with that sort of stuff in mind;
Like Floyd here, He ducks; Juan goes past him, which puts Floyd in switch stance (without his feet even moving) then he shuffles out for saftey and redistancing, then he switches back to correct what naturally just occured:

All he did was turn his shoulders and hips to face the new point of where the contact is about to come from.

If you can realize and collect in your head, all those subtle but useful avoidances and use them to dissolve their power while reloading yours. Or even better setting them up so that they have to turn to where they think you are and you catch them turning, the fight world is your oyster.

Technicaly its terrible :rolleyes:

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Technicaly its terrible :rolleyes:

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Yeah ,but it worked.
Technically a Morris oxford wasnt a Roller, but it worked and got from A to B anyway.;D

To go under when Juan fired back was safe to do so.



Im into the end of it,and where he found himself in relation to Juan.
Not even counting the lean back and the strike by Floyd that lead up to him doing
it.

I like the weird positioning and what more could be made from it.

Juans rib cage ends up so open too!



You know me :embarassed: I like looking at the unconventional.

Its a great move Andre not done very well. ;D

What round was it?

Other than fatigue I can't think of any excuse for Marquez just leaving his jab out there like that and pulling it back so low.

As Floyd was switching Marquez could have stepped in with a lead right from a southpaw stance.

It's a decent move, but I never get too impressed before watching the other guy and seeing how much he allowed it to happen.

One had lost His Oral Stability the other Hadnt ;D

If F M had his feet where they should have been and been able to turn the shoulder, He would have KOd Marqiuz there and then. Bad technique Im afraid, thats why after the shot when He roles it takes two steps instead of one to get His balance to work again, useless ;D.

Useless ;D.






If he wasnt off balance, do you think he should have held his ground and stayed in close when he came up?

From where he comes up, it looks that with a short step with his left foot and a pivot I recon he could of gone for a double left hook; low and high.

Surprised this hasnt got others thinking more

No one bites on these :spongebob: ? Wrong bait maybe???


Thinking what could or couldnt happen out of this, Its such a great set up for analysis of everything : distance, overcommitment under commitment ,balance, final landing positions and catching a turner blind sided.

Andre He lost balance because his back foot had no stability. If his feet had been centre he could have spun on his front foot and finished it, both lost Oral balance. He was to busy retifying His balance to capitalise :rolleyes:

Yeah his leg was straight back like a counter weight,wasnt it.

I think he could of even short stepped and remained in closer and in control and caught Jmm turning to face him.
But he backed out, probably happy with just the point?

Like you say mate he could of finished the job right then and there.

What if mayweather would have landed that cross, and since Marquez lunged forward, Mayweather was in southpaw stance ready to land another left cross while he was Juan was turning??

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What if mayweather would have landed that cross, and since Marquez lunged forward, Mayweather was in southpaw stance ready to land another left cross while he was Juan was turning??

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You mean as Floyd came up after going under,what if he landed a left cross onto Juan then?

I think lights out for sure.

Thats a good idea use the stance he had just put him in to take advantage of both the angle and the hard left he just loaded him up for, it actually seems like if mayweather had in mind skipping to remain in a southpaw stance he would have realised that he could have finished with a straight left from southpaw stance the fact that he didnt brings me more to believe he was off balance and that was the reason why he ended in a southpaw stance after the skip, seems like he did it on accident

Yeah , Scrap pointed out it was sloppy and off balance.
I recon he could of finished the fight right there too if he stuck close and he had the temple shot open and the power and position to turn into it as well.

I love that move too. Pretty much sums up the fight.

Adam is right about the southpaw jab but (although Mayweather's feet weren't quite right after skipping out) both had their left hands loaded on the way out.

* Floyd looked semi-ready to land a huge over-hand left in response to anything coming his way.

* Marquez looked like he was cocking the left (ala that other Marquez giff v Pacquiao) but was in no position to throw even that punch hence the last thing he would of been think after getting countered so effectively is sticking another reaching jab out there.



p.s i love the fact that i'm breaking down 3 seconds of footage in a board i have no buisnuess being in :-X
p.p.s i said 'semi-ready' as im sure Mayweather knew nothing would be comming his way ;)

Floyd always throws punches with his next two moves in mind. Hes not looking to sit down on his punches and knock people out, hes looking to land and wind up in a position where he cant be hit. He has the perfected olympic scoring style. He'll pot shot you to death until you give up or get stopped. It doesnt really matter the opponent he approaches every fight with the same thing in mind.

Pep would have loved to be in the position Floyd found himself in

I must have watched that little giff a hundred times.


Floyd is pulling back before Marquez glove moves. He knows the jab is coming before it comes.

From what? The shoulders, the chest, the legs? I know when I was sparring I always had slightly better results when I was kind of staring at my opponents chest. I experimented a lot, and kind of settled on relaxing my eyes on an opponents chest, using my peripheral vision for the gloves, legs etc. It's weird but the zone I got in, it was almost like I was trying to do one of those messed up, relax your eyes to see the hidden picture type of puzzles. Any hard and fast rules on where you should be looking at an opponent??

I think it's the elbows.... :-\

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Any hard and fast rules on where you should be looking at an opponent??

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We've had this discussion before and there was quite a variety of answers, with no serious hard and fast rules. I think the chest was prob the most standard.

I mean, I've even stared at peoples feet looking for clues on weight transfer, but that is about the last place I'd want to tell someone to look in an online training section...

"Yea, so I tried that looking at his feet deal in sparring. It didn't work too good and just now getting back from the hospital and..." :p

Well, according to that vid - the only clue is Marquez leg, he's clearly stepping into the shot before the glove moves.

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I think it's the elbows.... :-\

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The elbow can be a real key if you work a whole system off it.
Its a point of balance as well as the perfect stopping point to be able to be still in reach; as in glove to elbow then strike home same hand.(Not poweful but good for clean points). Also on some hits (curved ones)the elbow point is half the speed of the glove becuase it is travelling half the distance.Also the other fighters are generally trained to look into the other fighters eyes for clues (mirror of the soul and all that) So if thats true and you arent looking back into his eyes but is looking elbows area then the strict eye man is fukked. In MMa I like the elbows better too because you have their feet in vison as well. But each to their own.

Speaking of great moves, check out 4:16 in this clip posted on the main board. Shanes block of long distance Margarito uppercut with the right glove, then throws a right cross straight after. Just looking at this fight again in slow motion made me remember how slow Margarito looked that day. He was like my Toyota Echo accidentally driving into the middle of a formula 1 race:o

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-09-video.html

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Originally Posted by Greig

Speaking of great moves, check out 4:16 in this clip posted on the main board. Shanes block of long distance Margarito uppercut with the right glove, then throws a right cross straight after. Just looking at this fight again in slow motion made me remember how slow Margarito looked that day. He was like my Toyota Echo accidentally driving into the middle of a formula 1 race:o

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-09-video.html

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_Mv...layer_embedded

Such a cool vid.

How is Shanes eat my glove lace and elbow after that left hook too, he was really punishing MArgacheato.