Andre Berto vs Shane Mosley

Boxrec seem to have this down as a done deal for the 30th january (over a year since sugar-margacheato)

One of those crackers to look forward to if it is. Berto has proven himself to be a hard hitter at 140/147 pounds and im sure the andre that fights mosley will be in his complete prime. At the same time you have arguably the number 1 value for money in shane mosley.

The guys been in with much tougher opposition and logic would suggest he`ll be far too much for berto and may even have him out of there quicker than tony.

Its also fair to point out if this is indeed happening then the likelihood of an eventual mosley-mayweather showdown in the near future seems increasingly unlikely considering shane wont be able to sit down at the bargaining table till at least february.

Is floyd fighting the winner of the pac-cotto showdown next month now a foregone conclusion??

I used to think Berto would win for sure because he has a real jab, and still throws combinations and throws better straight punches, but he hasn't stepped up to the plate like I was expecting in his last two fights. I think he fough a completely different Collazo then Mosley did, but still... Berto hasn't been able to maintain the type of fight that suits him, He could have easily outboxed Collazo, but he opted to trade, he could have done anything he wanted against Urango, but he held way too much. He seems to have so much talent, and yes a lot of boxing skill, but he looks lost out there.

The deal is not finalized yet, but hopefully it will be soon, and not fall apart like some other fights lately. :mad:

Mosley takes this by UD.

I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

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I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

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I dont have a very good feeling about this fight either.

All logic points to a Mosley victory, but I've just got a gut feeling if it comes off that Berto will win. This is for two reasons. Mosley has often in the past been upset when he's come into a fight looking ahead to others in the future in this case the winner of the Mayweather-Pacquiao/Cotto fight already tentatively scheduled for March. The other is that it is very difficult to train for Berto as you've no idea how he's going to fight. Every time he comes into a fight he's quite different to the last time, because although the performance may not show it he's always improving & this would be his big shot. I'm gonna go with Berto by an upset UD in a close fight.

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I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

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He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

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I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

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He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

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you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

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I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

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He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

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you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

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Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

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He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

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you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

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Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

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i don't question his heart, but he did look dead tired by the 8th, he took the last two rounds more on will and heart than by his actual conditioning, not to mention the guy in front of him wasn't a big puncher and was just about as gassed as he was

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you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

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Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

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i don't question his heart, but he did look dead tired by the 8th, he took the last two rounds more on will and heart than by his actual conditioning, not to mention the guy in front of him wasn't a big puncher and was just about as gassed as he was

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He did, but to me he showed he could find something extra when he needed it. It was similar to the Cotto-Clottey fight in that sense, although I had Clottey just edging that one. I think Collazo is a tremendously underrated guy & I thought Berto fought the right fight against Urango because if you try blaze him out, well, ask Randall Bailey.

I don't buy into everything Taeth says about him, I agree he can look pedestrian at times, but to me he's a guy who is getting better & we're yet to see a clear style from him. If he can keep his jab solid & not flick it as he's prone to do, I really think he could have the beating of Mosley.

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I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

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He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

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you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

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I never said Dirrell threw combinations! I just said he was super quick. Berto does throw combinations, but he doesn't move as well as Andre... his body is too short and stocky. I don't use it as a complete excuse, but Andre had a really bad cold going into the Collazo fight, did you noticed that he weighed 6 pounds more than when he fought Urango and Forbes? Being sick going into a war like that can't be easy, and he still came on strong in the last two rounds. However, that doesn't impress me overly because Berto could have easily outboxed Collazo from the outside like Mosley did, granted Collazo threw way more punches against Berto, he didn't hurt his hands in the fight with Berto, and he looked a lot more focused for the fight with Berto. Against Mosley he looked like a Zombie.

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I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

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He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

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I just dont see it.I keep looking but lots of work to do in his corner.Certainly not the amazing combinations from the outside part.I see a somewhat flawed fighter,I think thats bertos biggest problem,who has yet to find his comfort zone,consistency in one style when things get heady in there and a guy who makes many mistakes that a solid vet can capitalize on.

Bertos legs are so rigged,he's cumbersome when he comes in as top falls heavy in while legs wided and just do not bend for the most part.Half the time he creates,looks for clinches after throwing a few.His jab has improved with not alot behind it,he squares in a big way,pulls back while heads high up,and uppercuts and hooks pretty wide.I think hes the more choppy puncher than a Mosley by far.

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I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

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He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

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I just dont see it.I keep looking but lots of work to do in his corner.Certainly not the amazing combinations from the outside part.I see a somewhat flawed fighter,I think thats bertos biggest problem,who has yet to find his comfort zone,consistency in one style when things get heady in there and a guy who makes many mistakes that a solid vet can capitalize on.

Bertos legs are so rigged,he's cumbersome when he comes in as top falls heavy in while legs wided and just do not bend for the most part.Half the time he creates,looks for clinches after throwing a few.His jab has improved with not alot behind it,he squares in a big way,pulls back while heads high up,and uppercuts and hooks pretty wide.I think hes the more choppy puncher than a Mosley by far.

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He does have his problems, but combinations aren't one of them, he throws fantastic combinations, but you're right his legs are very rigid, I don't know how he ran a 4.30 in football... I think if he could move like Dirrell or Mayweather or PAcquiao a lot of his problems would be solved because my biggest issues are that he squares up and tries to trade shots, and he can't move away from an opponent and change directions gracefully. Mosley can't do the same thing, and thats when he faced Wright and Forest he couldn't jump and pot shot because all they had to do was throw straight punches, and keep him at range and he had no weapons.

Still even in a firefight I'm not sure I really like Berto's chances. Berto needs to figure it out fast imo, gives away to many rounds and the Collazo fight was just so frustrating to watch. He gave Collazo many rounds just by constantly squaring up and trying to just land 1 shot. I'm interested in seeing the size differential, I have a feeling that Mosley will just be a lot stronger and more mobile. I'm not sold on Berto's jab either, or I'm not sold on him sticking to the jab at least.

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He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

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you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

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Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

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Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

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you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

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Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

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Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

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Hatton/Collazo and Berto/Collazo was a close decision but Mosley/Collazo was not a close decision. Re-watch that fight.

Mosley got this.

Berto may cause Mosley problems with his speed but if Mosley lands on that chin enough, Berto is going down.

Mosley by TKO in 8 rounds.

Berto to me could just pull off an upset against Mosley. He has a much more awkward style to Margarito. Lets face it Margarito beat Cotto because he was cheating, the more I think about it the clearer it becomes, I mean he broke his nose early and it was a bad break. He didn't even seem to hit him that clean to do it either, then Cotto still outclassed him for round after round and was still ahead when the fight ended IMO. But something was draining Cotto every time Marg hit him and being a betting man I would put money on that Tony had stone gloves on in that fight.

Anyway back to this fight, Mosley before Tony looked poor against Mayorga but now people think he is rejuvinated due to a great win over the cheat, saying that Berto by all accounts (I haven't seen the fight) was lucky to get the W against Collazo who a "younger" Mosley quite easily beat. But styles make fights and I don't think Mosley is still the man for taking on awkward hungry fighters like Berto. Very interesting one for me but I think i'd go Berto.

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you basically said the same thing about Dirrell, and although i thought he beat Froch, where were all these amazing combos that you said he would put together, same as Berto, he throws a couple of barking shots and is already fatigued by the 9th

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Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

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Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

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Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

I am a fan of both fighter and would prefer them to stay a way from each other. I thought and hope Berto was going to give Collazo a rematch. Shane should have a warm up and then fight Mayweather. :)

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Gotta disagree there man, Berto showed great stamina & resilience to pick up the last 2 rounds in the Collazo fight. I know some had it for Collazo, but for me, Berto needed those last 2 & he took them well, especially considering the pace the fight had been fought at. I think Dirrell won & is a potentially very good fighter, but Berto has a lot more for me, I don't think anyone who saw the Collazo fight could question his heart.

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Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

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Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

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i watched the unanimous decision commentary HBO gave him

Then i watched it in real time without the commentary and realised it was a hell of a lot closer than the final scorecards!

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Collazo had already pushed mosley and hatton over 12rounds with both taking close decisions and i fully expected the same with this. Berto had to show a hell of a lot of courage in those last few rounds as he was losing the fight and could quite easily of lost the plot. Instead he went back to basics, stopped trying to knock his man out instead he used his superior boxing skills and in my eyes as well just nicked a decision.

Mosley struggled with luis also. This fight for me is won and lost on bertos ability to dominate with the jab over whether mosley can effectively pick his moments to counter berto and take him out as i dont think he can win a decision

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Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

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i watched the unanimous decision commentary HBO gave him

Then i watched it in real time without the commentary and realised it was a hell of a lot closer than the final scorecards!

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Really? I only watched it once, but from what I recall it wasn't even competitive after the 2nd or 3rd round, which is where Collazo says he broke his hand.

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Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

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i watched the unanimous decision commentary HBO gave him

Then i watched it in real time without the commentary and realised it was a hell of a lot closer than the final scorecards!

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Really? I only watched it once, but from what I recall it wasn't even competitive after the 2nd or 3rd round, which is where Collazo says he broke his hand.

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same here, i've seen it more than once and i felt that after the 4th round it was pretty much all Mosley, Berto/Collazo and Hatton/Collazo were close, i actually had Collazo winning both

I got Mosley all day against Berto, unless Berto holds him into a submission.

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Have you actually seen the Mosley - Collazo fight? It wasn't close at all.

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i watched the unanimous decision commentary HBO gave him

Then i watched it in real time without the commentary and realised it was a hell of a lot closer than the final scorecards!

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Really? I only watched it once, but from what I recall it wasn't even competitive after the 2nd or 3rd round, which is where Collazo says he broke his hand.

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Exactly right...

Mosley looked rejuvenated against Tony. Sure, Margo is a cheat and all that...but the man has a granite chin...and Shane out powered him. I think switching to Nazim Richardson as a trainer, laying off the weights...has given Shane some more fluidity and pop on his punches. Berto will be tough. But i see Shane's experience and toughness get him throw this fight.

Mosley-Collazo a close decision, this has got to be a wind up ;D Collazo didn't do anything after the second round, even Luis Collazo doesn't think that fight was close.

No, Mosley/Collazo wasn't close at all. Collazo seemed on autopilot throughout the fight, probably because he hurt his hand like he said.

Just one comment "No doubt Mosley wins"

Berto is young and fast but mosley is a veteran, fast and a lot more savvy. I never thought mosley was that good at 154, but he has really impressed me at 147. Berto is a good up and coming fighter and I think he could be a contender in the future, but I think Mosley will take the guy to school. Mosley has been in there with the best of them and Berto isnt ready for what he brings to the table quite yet.

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I'm still of the mind that Mosley gets Berto out of there.Andre has faced nothing and no one as deep and well rounded on a championship level as a Mosley and will have to hone his flaws in mid fight.He falls forward heavy waaay to much and his outside is one-two and except a clinch.He gets caught in between styles badly.Not good.

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He outside game is a one-two? Hardly, Berto throws amazing combinations from the outside, and most importantly he has a real jab while Mosley doesn't. Berto's biggest problem is he doesn't move well and he when starts to brawl he squares up(probably from watching too much Mike Tyson, but at least Tyson moved to the side). Mosley's biggest problem is that he's choppy, and doesn't box like a technical boxer, but he also can't do the amazing physical things ROy JOens and Mayweather can do despite his speed and strength, but Mosley's durability, speed and strength give him a unique oppertunity to load up on punches and get away with it, he has pretty good defensive skills, but he doesn't need to because his chin is impenetrable, and he is very fast so he gets away with most of his mistakes against most opponents.

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Good point. I think the difference between those guys is that Floyd and Roy dont like getting close like Mosley. Whilst they go into defensive mode and look for counters Shane feels that he is stronger than his opponent and so he wants them to feel it. If he got on his bike like they did, he would be sending out a message that he didnt feel that pyhsically strong but by standing his ground Mosley is saying " I aint going anywhere "

From the looks of the Mayorga fight one could think Berto would pull the upset here. Shane looked great against Margarito. But Berto is younger, faster and puts his punches together a lot better then Margarito does. Berto stands a much better chance of beating Shane then Margarito ever would. But then you'd watch Berto against Urango etc and say Shane should spark him. But I don't know, if they fight I can see Berto winning, I think Shane can too which is why if Mayweather comes up then Shane WILL fight him. Shane will only fight Berto if he absolutely has to. Otherswise big money payday for him

Berto's chin will not hold up against Mosley.

Mosley in 7

The only way Berto survives is to run or hug for dear life in stink fest where the crowd boos Berto.

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Berto's chin will not hold up against Mosley.

Mosley in 7

The only way Berto survives is to run or hug for dear life in stink fest where the crowd boos Berto.

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Back on saddos danny ? ;)

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Berto's chin will not hold up against Mosley.

Mosley in 7

The only way Berto survives is to run or hug for dear life in stink fest where the crowd boos Berto.

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Back on saddos danny ? ;)

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Yes Daddy is back for a minute. I know how some of the girls here have missed me ;D

mosely by tko berto one of the talanted offensive fighters but all of his strenghts work for mosely

ring experience alone makes berto the underdog.. i think mosely will give him a run for his money..if im not mistaken somebody caught berto cold on one occassion and sent him on his behind on the first round.. not sure who it was tho..

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ring experience alone makes berto the underdog.. i think mosely will give him a run for his money..if im not mistaken somebody caught berto cold on one occassion and sent him on his behind on the first round.. not sure who it was tho..

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I know Cosme Rivera dropped him on ESPN, maybe in the 9th round (somewhere in the middle rounds)?, but it was just a flash KD.

He's probably thinking of Collazo who had that good straight left early in their bout that put Berto stumbling into the ropes before he regained balance.