Paul Williams v. Sergio Martinez

Before we get into the discussion about Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez, why was Paul willing to fight Clottey at 154 but Martinez only at 160? Or am I wrong on that? Maybe it has something to do with their respective titles not being on the line? Or is Martinez easier at 160 than at 154? Mix of the two?

Paul Williams-Joshua Clottey Negotiations Hit a Wall - Boxing News

Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez Will Be at 160-pounds - Boxing News

Martinez is Paul's toughest fight to date. He matches Paul in speed and although still smaller, not by much. This may actually be a tougher match up for Paul than Pavlik in some aspects. I'm curious as to why Martinez was so excited to take this fight especially at 160. It seems like a winnable but difficult fight for him. He could have waited for Sergiy or fought a rematch with Cintron. Was the money that much different? Maybe a good showing even in loss really propels him up the rankings.

I wonder if Martinez will wear the Vernon Forrest shorts into the ring?

Martinez at 154 or 160 is much tougher than Clottey at 154 IMO. I would say that seen as Williams was preparin to face pavlik at 160, he maybe feels he won't be absolutely bob on to face Martinez at 154 with what would maybe be draining down to that weight from his original schedule. Possibly drainin down from his original schedule to face Clottey at 154 wouldn't have been such a tall order, where as Martinez prob will be.

All i'm sayin is i'm really really excited about this fight. Although Martinez has alot to prove in my mind, this is his chance, although I like Williams, alot.

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Originally Posted by themacmagician

Martinez at 154 or 160 is much tougher than Clottey at 154 IMO. I would say that seen as Williams was preparin to face pavlik at 160, he maybe feels he won't be absolutely bob on to face Martinez at 154 with what would maybe be draining down to that weight from his original schedule. Possibly drainin down from his original schedule to face Clottey at 154 wouldn't have been such a tall order, where as Martinez prob will be.

All i'm sayin is i'm really really excited about this fight. Although Martinez has alot to prove in my mind, this is his chance, although I like Williams, alot.

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I'm excited for it too at 160 or 154.

What you're saying is Williams felt confident against Clottey at 154 but not so much against Martinez at 154?

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Martinez at 154 or 160 is much tougher than Clottey at 154 IMO. I would say that seen as Williams was preparin to face pavlik at 160, he maybe feels he won't be absolutely bob on to face Martinez at 154 with what would maybe be draining down to that weight from his original schedule. Possibly drainin down from his original schedule to face Clottey at 154 wouldn't have been such a tall order, where as Martinez prob will be.

All i'm sayin is i'm really really excited about this fight. Although Martinez has alot to prove in my mind, this is his chance, although I like Williams, alot.

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I'm excited for it too at 160 or 154.

What you're saying is Williams felt confident against Clottey at 154 but not so much against Martinez at 154?

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I dont think its hard to see why, Williams is the draw his advisors will be trying to get him every advantage possible im pretty sure Williams himself will fight them at whatever weight is asked of him, but like I say hes the draw so he has the advantage of dictating, and if this puts the other fighter out of his comfort zone all the better for Williams.

You know, all i'm thinkin is that his training program still fits to fighting at 160, and maybe he had to boil down a little more than he wanted to to get to 154, boiling down to fight Martinez would be tougher than boiling down to fight Clottey, as i don't think that Clottey is that good to be honest, defo not as good as Martinez. So not boiling down atall and fighting Martinez at his original weight plan (160 for Pavlik) is probably an ideal situation for him.

great fight

Shame we wont get to see PW smash pavlik into oblivion but this is about as tough a fight as your gonna get at middleweight.

Williams will take a points decision in a hard fought bloody encounter!!

I do think this fight would be more competitive at 154. At 160, I have to go more heavily with Williams. I think it will be important, though, for Williams' jab to be working sharply against Martinez. If his timing is off like it was in the first Quintana fight, we could see a similar outcome.

At 154 or 160, I'm definitely more excited about this than Williams v Clottey!

It's a decent fight. I see Williams winning a decision, but Martinez might well make it tougher than expected.

Martinez took this fight because he is a real fighter. He believes he can win. Hat off to him even though Tall Paul will beat the brakes off of him. Should be a great fight. Who ever agrees to fight Paul is a true fighter IMO.

Ya I don't think Sergio is worried about ANYONE in any division. Could be a fatal flaw against Paul. btw. is Paul vacating his titles for this one fight or does he plan on dropping back down to SWW and reigning more pain on those guys?

I give paul a 2:1 against Sergio. Sergio has more than a punchers chance in this fight. He can box and he's a southpaw.

Pauls just coming off fighting one of the best southpaws ever in Winky, so I think this will favor Pwill ... maybe more like 2.5:1
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Martinez took this fight because he is a real fighter. He believes he can win. Hat off to him even though Tall Paul will beat the brakes off of him. Should be a great fight. Who ever agrees to fight Paul is a true fighter IMO.

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Yeah, I agree but don't forget about money, it's not unusual for any fighter to chase a big paycheck. Though, he definitively has balls.

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Martinez took this fight because he is a real fighter. He believes he can win. Hat off to him even though Tall Paul will beat the brakes off of him. Should be a great fight. Who ever agrees to fight Paul is a true fighter IMO.

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Yeah, I agree but don't forget about money, it's not unusual for any fighter to chase a big paycheck. Though, he definitively has balls.

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Isn't he an underwear model or something?

Stylistically this is all bad for Williams imo, don't have any time to explain now but I see Martinez taking a decision.

I think this will be an interesting fight for a while, but Williams will outwork Martinez and I can see it being a wide UD in Williams favour. I really like Williams a lot. His output is insane, he builds up the tempo and then just doesn't stop. I can't see him letting another Quintana type fight happening again.

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Originally Posted by miles

It's a decent fight. I see Williams winning a decision, but Martinez might well make it tougher than expected.

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This is a tougher fight than Pavlik IMO. Martinez is quick, he's got very underrated power(he clocked Cintron and Kermit thought he got headbutted), and he's got very good defense...meanwhile Pavlik is just 1 sided.

I really hope Williams comes through this fight with ease, but I think he's in for a LONG night and he's going to have to bring his 'A game'

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It's a decent fight. I see Williams winning a decision, but Martinez might well make it tougher than expected.

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This is a tougher fight than Pavlik IMO. Martinez is quick, he's got very underrated power(he clocked Cintron and Kermit thought he got headbutted), and he's got very good defense...meanwhile Pavlik is just 1 sided.

I really hope Williams comes through this fight with ease, but I think he's in for a LONG night and he's going to have to bring his 'A game'

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Yes, he's very tricky with a lot more to his game than Pavlik who pretty much comes plodding forward with the same 1-2 every time. I just see Williams throwing too much and being too awkward himself. Either way, it should be fun. Looking forward to this one.

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It's a decent fight. I see Williams winning a decision, but Martinez might well make it tougher than expected.

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This is a tougher fight than Pavlik IMO. Martinez is quick, he's got very underrated power(he clocked Cintron and Kermit thought he got headbutted), and he's got very good defense...meanwhile Pavlik is just 1 sided.

I really hope Williams comes through this fight with ease, but I think he's in for a LONG night and he's going to have to bring his 'A game'

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Yes, he's very tricky with a lot more to his game than Pavlik who pretty much comes plodding forward with the same 1-2 every time. I just see Williams throwing too much and being too awkward himself. Either way, it should be fun. Looking forward to this one.

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martinez`s best attribute is his output but williams outnumbers on that.

PW will have the reach the power and will throw the far more precise punches.

Martinez has slightly more than a punchers chance but his only real option is to do exactly what quintana did and completely mess up williams game plan and give him no room all fight long!

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This is a tougher fight than Pavlik IMO. Martinez is quick, he's got very underrated power(he clocked Cintron and Kermit thought he got headbutted), and he's got very good defense...meanwhile Pavlik is just 1 sided.

I really hope Williams comes through this fight with ease, but I think he's in for a LONG night and he's going to have to bring his 'A game'

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Yes, he's very tricky with a lot more to his game than Pavlik who pretty much comes plodding forward with the same 1-2 every time. I just see Williams throwing too much and being too awkward himself. Either way, it should be fun. Looking forward to this one.

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martinez`s best attribute is his output but williams outnumbers on that.

PW will have the reach the power and will throw the far more precise punches.

Martinez has slightly more than a punchers chance but his only real option is to do exactly what quintana did and completely mess up williams game plan and give him no room all fight long!

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Um, have you seen Martinez fight before?

Am I the only one who will now not buy Williams' crap about having to come out of his weight-class?

I don't think he's been able to make 147 for well over a year & for me this proves it. They made out they were having to feed him multiple meals a day to fight at Middleweight, well that's clearly not the case if he says he can't come down to fight Martinez at 154, where for me it would really matter that bit more as I consider them the best 2 LMWs around.

As for the fight, I think PW is more used to the weight, so will beat Martinez up to a competitive but clear decision (117-111, 116-112) something like that.

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Am I the only one who will now not buy Williams' crap about having to come out of his weight-class?

I don't think he's been able to make 147 for well over a year & for me this proves it. They made out they were having to feed him multiple meals a day to fight at Middleweight, well that's clearly not the case if he says he can't come down to fight Martinez at 154, where for me it would really matter that bit more as I consider them the best 2 LMWs around.

As for the fight, I think PW is more used to the weight, so will beat Martinez up to a competitive but clear decision (117-111, 116-112) something like that.

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Jaz, I don't disagree with your prediction or your opinion on Williams and his weight. What reason is there to fight Martinez at 160 if he can make 154 other than for a size advantage? Clearly 154 is where Martinez is most effective. Martinez started his career at 147, but has fought the remainder of it almost entirely at 154. His first real fight at 160 against Paul Williams? That to me doesn't sound like a recipe for a win. His belts aren't on the line and this fight is just a chance to get into the spotlight, but it is still a dangerous fight. I like Martinez and Williams. I guess a loss hurts Williams more because he has this aura of invincibility and a loss for Martinez can be chopped to fighting at the wrong weight.

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Um, have you seen Martinez fight before?

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...he must have spaced and started talking about Ricky Hatton.

Martinez's best trait is his defense/movement, he's slick and awkward at the same time. And I think I speak for everyone when I say this but it is NEVER good for 2 southpaws to fight each other, at least for the fans

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Um, have you seen Martinez fight before?

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...he must have spaced and started talking about Ricky Hatton.

Martinez's best trait is his defense/movement, he's slick and awkward at the same time. And I think I speak for everyone when I say this but it is NEVER good for 2 southpaws to fight each other, at least for the fans

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I think with Williams output, Martinez is going to have to move double time, which I think he's capable of, this should turn out to be a much more entertaining fight than you would expect from a typical lefty to lefty showdown.

Jaz Williams has been training for nearly a yaer with the knowledge that he was eventually being angled for a fight with Pavlik at 160. A month out it's too late to expect him to make things more difficult by going to 154 or even 147.

in my opinion i think williams is gona walk away the winner.

When is this fight happening?

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When is this fight happening?

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DEC 5TH ON HBO

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DEC 5TH ON HBO

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Good, just round the corner. Iv'e only seen Martinez fight once but he struck me as a very decent fight. Obviously Williams is a step above 'very decent' but who knows, Williams might switch off?
Might be a little under motivated after the Pavlik fight fell through?

MArtinez will be a tough fight, the dude is part of the upper part of the pyramid. Best last minute picked up opponent.

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DEC 5TH ON HBO

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Good, just round the corner. Iv'e only seen Martinez fight once but he struck me as a very decent fight. Obviously Williams is a step above 'very decent' but who knows, Williams might switch off?
Might be a little under motivated after the Pavlik fight fell through?

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YEA I WUS THINKIN THAT TOO, WILLIAMS BEEN FEENING FOR A BIG MONEY FIGHT

i think williams wins this one going away. martinez is going to make it close for a few rounds but williams is just too good and big. the only way martinez wins is by ko'ing williams and this ain't going to happen. williams has a very solid chin and martinez isn't known for his power. williams by comfortable UD or late TKO.

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the only way martinez wins is by ko'ing williams

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Martinez is a southpaw and a bit of a mover plus he was able to take/diffuse Cintron's power shots for 12 rounds so imo he can give Williams trouble much like Quintana did in their 1st fight.

HOWEVER.... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmalj...eature=related
I've only just seen this vid of Martinez against a guy named Russel Jordan (a VERY lanky Southpaw with a decent jab) and it's clear that Martinez is struggling with the size and jab of Russel, so you have a good point :)

It will be a good fight but I pick WIlliams for the win.

Martinez was blown away by Margo years ago, but that was then and this is now. Williams is hungry; it's his time to shine. I see a beat down over 9 or 10 rounds and then a mercy stoppage.

This cat Martinez has a tough style for Williams
Williams gets credit for taking a live dog:box3:
The Punisher takes it
But there will be soime scary moments:sweat:

If Sergio wants to beat Paul he needs to watch that 1st CQ fight...
Pot shotting and just countering Paul all night.
Punch and get out...

Would like to see Sergio win but I think Pauls output will carry him to a victory.

I think Martinez has a style that can give Williams fits. He's quick, he darts in and out, and he moves around well. I agree with CMM that he should study the first fight against Quintana, which I'm sure he is, because he has the style that can execute the same game plan. Sure Williams always has a high output of punches, but that's because he usually fights guys that stand there in front of him where he can hit them. That's not Martinez though, he likes to move.

I would not be surprised if he upsets Williams at all. If he fights smart, I think he can win.

This fight should go to the cards with Williams getting the nod. Martinez will have a problem winning rounds because of Williams' advantages in punch output.

Martinez can execute the gameplan Quintana used, but Williams can execute the gameplan Margarito used. Martinez's only loss came at the hands of a volume puncher and since Calzaghe retired, Williams is the best in the business at volume punching.

How big is the ring? A bigger ring will be to Martinez's advantage.

Imagine how much leather would be thrown in a match between Williams and Calzaghe?!?!

Williams by clear UD. His style is everything that I like in boxing and when at his best there are few that can beat him. Martinez is good, but he will be outworked something rotten. Williams is a bit of a freak.

Paul to win no question. Sucks to see "other" fighters getting so called titles in made up divisions and weights while williams will eat your lunch at the division and weight already established. Anywhere from 147 to 160 and maybe even 168 i even heard him say. Ah well...

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I think Martinez has a style that can give Williams fits. He's quick, he darts in and out, and he moves around well. I agree with CMM that he should study the first fight against Quintana, which I'm sure he is, because he has the style that can execute the same game plan. Sure Williams always has a high output of punches, but that's because he usually fights guys that stand there in front of him where he can hit them. That's not Martinez though, he likes to move.

I would not be surprised if he upsets Williams at all. If he fights smart, I think he can win.

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Martinez was actually the co-main event on the night Paul lost to CQ that's the night I met him when he defeated Bunema. So I think he knows what he has to do.