Haye v Valuev PPV.

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11-07-2009, 09:17 PM
Dark Lord Al

Haye v Valuev PPV.

I have just finished watching the fight , and it was a stinker.
The PPV package which SKY put together was a joke , the overall fight bill was a joke also.
Back to the fight , countless times Haye didn't throw a single punch for over 90 seconds into a round , i found this very frustrating indeed , Valuev also showed what a 1 dimensional fighter he is. I know Haye claims he injured his right hand , which explains why he was so reluctant to actually fight.
I personally thought it was a hard fight to score , and at the end really didn't think that Haye would get the nod.
Yes Haye will be more exciting in the future , and yes the difference in size made it difficult for Haye to hit Valuev , but i cannot remember paying PPV for such a CRAPPY show as bad as this one.
I also would be interested in the Haye fans view , on fights with Wlad and Vitali , after seeing this performance.

SKY THIS IS FOR YOU :plthumbsdown:

Thoughts please guys.
11-07-2009, 09:22 PM
skel1983

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I have just finished watching the fight , and it was a stinker.
The PPV package which SKY put together was a joke , the overall fight bill was a joke also.
Back to the fight , countless times Haye didn't throw a single punch for over 90 seconds into a round , i found this very frustrating indeed , Valuev also showed what a 1 dimensional fighter he is. I know Haye claims he injured his right hand , which explains why he was so reluctant to actually fight.
I personally thought it was a hard fight to score , and at the end really didn't think that Haye would get the nod.
Yes Haye will be more exciting in the future , and yes the difference in size made it difficult for Haye to hit Valuev , but i cannot remember paying PPV for such a CRAPPY show as bad as this one.
I also would be interested in the Haye fans view , on fights with Wlad and Vitali , after seeing this performance.

SKY THIS IS FOR YOU :plthumbsdown:

Thoughts please guys.

I agree mate fucking shite show, I mean surely sky could of put a decent english card on the show aswell fucking money robbing bastards, I reckon though this did great numbers I know loads and loads of casual fans who were purchasing this quite suprising that.

The fight itself I was suprsied Haye won really but in reality he did the better work, I hope he was telling the truth about his hand because he was awful with his attacks should of thrown way more punches and possibly would of had him out of there if he did.

But it was a mature performance by Haye and I think overall he deserved the nod 95% of the time Valuev was either hitting air or gloves.
11-07-2009, 09:27 PM
Dark Lord Al

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I have just finished watching the fight , and it was a stinker.
The PPV package which SKY put together was a joke , the overall fight bill was a joke also.
Back to the fight , countless times Haye didn't throw a single punch for over 90 seconds into a round , i found this very frustrating indeed , Valuev also showed what a 1 dimensional fighter he is. I know Haye claims he injured his right hand , which explains why he was so reluctant to actually fight.
I personally thought it was a hard fight to score , and at the end really didn't think that Haye would get the nod.
Yes Haye will be more exciting in the future , and yes the difference in size made it difficult for Haye to hit Valuev , but i cannot remember paying PPV for such a CRAPPY show as bad as this one.
I also would be interested in the Haye fans view , on fights with Wlad and Vitali , after seeing this performance.

SKY THIS IS FOR YOU :plthumbsdown:

Thoughts please guys.

I agree mate fucking shite show, I mean surely sky could of put a decent english card on the show aswell fucking money robbing bastards, I reckon though this did great numbers I know loads and loads of casual fans who were purchasing this quite suprising that.

The fight itself I was suprsied Haye won really but in reality he did the better work, I hope he was telling the truth about his hand because he was awful with his attacks should of thrown way more punches and possibly would of had him out of there if he did.

But it was a mature performance by Haye and I think overall he deserved the nod 95% of the time Valuev was either hitting air or gloves.

Skel what are your views on Haye v Wlad and Vitali now ? have they changed after this fight ?
11-07-2009, 09:31 PM
skel1983

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I have just finished watching the fight , and it was a stinker.
The PPV package which SKY put together was a joke , the overall fight bill was a joke also.
Back to the fight , countless times Haye didn't throw a single punch for over 90 seconds into a round , i found this very frustrating indeed , Valuev also showed what a 1 dimensional fighter he is. I know Haye claims he injured his right hand , which explains why he was so reluctant to actually fight.
I personally thought it was a hard fight to score , and at the end really didn't think that Haye would get the nod.
Yes Haye will be more exciting in the future , and yes the difference in size made it difficult for Haye to hit Valuev , but i cannot remember paying PPV for such a CRAPPY show as bad as this one.
I also would be interested in the Haye fans view , on fights with Wlad and Vitali , after seeing this performance.

SKY THIS IS FOR YOU :plthumbsdown:

Thoughts please guys.

I agree mate fucking shite show, I mean surely sky could of put a decent english card on the show aswell fucking money robbing bastards, I reckon though this did great numbers I know loads and loads of casual fans who were purchasing this quite suprising that.

The fight itself I was suprsied Haye won really but in reality he did the better work, I hope he was telling the truth about his hand because he was awful with his attacks should of thrown way more punches and possibly would of had him out of there if he did.

But it was a mature performance by Haye and I think overall he deserved the nod 95% of the time Valuev was either hitting air or gloves.

Skel what are your views on Haye v Wlad and Vitali now ? have they changed after this fight ?

I think Haye has slim chances but slim. I think the jabs of the two borthers will be to much to handle for Haye and he will eventully be broken up and knocked out, I think he needs a couple of fights first though.
11-07-2009, 09:32 PM
BIG H

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

A horrible fight - Valuev is absolutely sh1te and if he was normal size would not be a top 100 Heavyweight. I still think Haye is poop, but based more on Valuev punching thin air all night than anything Haye did, I had it 115-113 for Haye.

Amazed he got the nod though!
11-07-2009, 09:35 PM
BritBox

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

Haye deserved the nod. It wasn't the prettiest of fights, but we are watching boxing not strictly come dancing. Haye hit Valuev...valuev missed Haye 90% of the time so can't win the boxing match. Haye landed, Valuev didn't...end of.

Valuev is the better person at coming forward and missing...Haye is the better fighter by dodging and hitting...Haye won.
11-07-2009, 09:37 PM
AdamGB

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

Fighters say it all the time but I do suspect that the hand injury was legit, he hit valuev in I think the second round on the forhead, valuev's head didn't move, bone is harder than concrete, at the time I was thinking more along the lines of "how is haye going to hurt valuev (which he did, once he managed to get a shot around valuev's guard that wasn't deflected by his shoulders) if he can't get the leverage to move his head" but with hind site that alone was very likely to damage his hand, which would explain the lack of output.

Other than not being as active as he would of probably liked himself I don't think Haye can be faulted too much.
11-07-2009, 09:40 PM
BIG H

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt
11-07-2009, 09:44 PM
AdamGB

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

I don't think he was as hurt as it looked from a far, but he definetly felt it
11-07-2009, 09:44 PM
Nameless

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

Opposite to you all, I've been lucky as I've seen it for free, thanks to Deutsch 1 T.V for broadcasting it and thanks to Luxembourg allowing me french, german and Belgium channels.
The fight was of a boringness that could kill even those who are excited by looking at paint dry; Haye was as active as my grandmother when she's knitting but very accurate (gotta give him that) and Valuev was quite active but slow as a 10 wheels going backward and sluggish and unaccurate. The giant Freak lost... I don't care much, I dislike both fighters, I would have only like Valuev to win to shut Haye's big mouth off once and for all.
So now, we'll have the right to a boring fest II with Haye vs Jab and Grab, hopefully the winner will finally take one of the two Klitschko in a slow way to the unification.
11-07-2009, 09:45 PM
Howlin Mad Missy

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt

maybe they should check Hayes wraps? :cool:
11-07-2009, 09:48 PM
BIG H

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt

maybe they should check Hayes wraps? :cool:

Shouldn't you be off wacthing some guy fatting into his own mooey ?
11-07-2009, 09:50 PM
skel1983

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by Nameless

Opposite to you all, I've been lucky as I've seen it for free, thanks to Deutsch 1 T.V for broadcasting it and thanks to Luxembourg allowing me french, german and Belgium channels.
The fight was of a boringness that could kill even those who are excited by looking at paint dry; Haye was as active as my grandmother when she's knitting but very accurate (gotta give him that) and Valuev was quite active but slow as a 10 wheels going backward and sluggish and unaccurate. The giant Freak lost... I don't care much, I dislike both fighters, I would have only like Valuev to win to shut Haye's big mouth off once and for all.
So now, we'll have the right to a boring fest II with Haye vs Jab and Grab, hopefully the winner will finally take one of the two Klitschko in a slow way to the unification.

Boring fest 2????

You honestly think Haye if fought Ruiz would fight the same fight against a guy actully smaller in height in reach not a fucking chance.

Haye would take the fight to Ruiz from the first bell.
11-07-2009, 09:53 PM
AdamGB

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

Agreed, people will now happily forget just how much the size is a factor here.

When you can't even punch around a guy's guard because his shoulders are stopping you from hitting the top of his head then don't expect a guy to throw barrages of punches when there simply isn't a shot there.
11-07-2009, 09:53 PM
Gandalf

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt

He didn't seem all that hurt to me either. A little trip and immediately grinning as if to say "yeah, right!".

It was an atrocious fight and Haye is very lucky to get out of there with the win. There was no sense of urgency about him whatsover which was worrying.

Against either Klitschko he would fall well behind as they would just build up the points by simply doing more than him.

Maybe the hand really was a factor, but if not then this is no a good sign for Haye. Others have performed better against Valuev than that, including an ancient Holyfield.
11-07-2009, 10:01 PM
Nameless

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Nameless

Opposite to you all, I've been lucky as I've seen it for free, thanks to Deutsch 1 T.V for broadcasting it and thanks to Luxembourg allowing me french, german and Belgium channels.
The fight was of a boringness that could kill even those who are excited by looking at paint dry; Haye was as active as my grandmother when she's knitting but very accurate (gotta give him that) and Valuev was quite active but slow as a 10 wheels going backward and sluggish and unaccurate. The giant Freak lost... I don't care much, I dislike both fighters, I would have only like Valuev to win to shut Haye's big mouth off once and for all.
So now, we'll have the right to a boring fest II with Haye vs Jab and Grab, hopefully the winner will finally take one of the two Klitschko in a slow way to the unification.

Boring fest 2????

You honestly think Haye if fought Ruiz would fight the same fight against a guy actully smaller in height in reach not a fucking chance.

Haye would take the fight to Ruiz from the first bell.

It is not Haye that scares me if he fights Ruiz, it's Ruiz, he will double the jab and grab Haye alll the time, it'll be a jab jab grab fest. A very different boring fight than the one we just assisted.
11-07-2009, 10:02 PM
Howlin Mad Missy

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt

maybe they should check Hayes wraps? :cool:

Shouldn't you be off wacthing some guy fatting into his own mooey ?

;D see you in half an hour shall I?
11-07-2009, 10:04 PM
Howlin Mad Missy

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by Nameless

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Nameless

Opposite to you all, I've been lucky as I've seen it for free, thanks to Deutsch 1 T.V for broadcasting it and thanks to Luxembourg allowing me french, german and Belgium channels.
The fight was of a boringness that could kill even those who are excited by looking at paint dry; Haye was as active as my grandmother when she's knitting but very accurate (gotta give him that) and Valuev was quite active but slow as a 10 wheels going backward and sluggish and unaccurate. The giant Freak lost... I don't care much, I dislike both fighters, I would have only like Valuev to win to shut Haye's big mouth off once and for all.
So now, we'll have the right to a boring fest II with Haye vs Jab and Grab, hopefully the winner will finally take one of the two Klitschko in a slow way to the unification.

Boring fest 2????

You honestly think Haye if fought Ruiz would fight the same fight against a guy actully smaller in height in reach not a fucking chance.

Haye would take the fight to Ruiz from the first bell.

It is not Haye that scared me if he fights Ruiz, it's Ruiz, he will double the jab and grab Haye alll the time, it'll be a jab jab grab fest. A very different boring fight than the one we just assisted.

but still crud and people will holla about how great it is we have a HW champ and all the time the two legit HW title holders get older and older. Good for Haye.
11-07-2009, 10:05 PM
BIG H

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

maybe they should check Hayes wraps? :cool:

Shouldn't you be off wacthing some guy fatting into his own mooey ?

;D see you in half an hour shall I?

I'll do anything you like sweet cheeks, but I aint spunking in my own gob ;D
11-07-2009, 10:09 PM
Nameless

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by Nameless

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Boring fest 2????

You honestly think Haye if fought Ruiz would fight the same fight against a guy actully smaller in height in reach not a fucking chance.

Haye would take the fight to Ruiz from the first bell.

It is not Haye that scared me if he fights Ruiz, it's Ruiz, he will double the jab and grab Haye alll the time, it'll be a jab jab grab fest. A very different boring fight than the one we just assisted.

but still crud and people will holla about how great it is we have a HW champ and all the time the two legit HW title holders get older and older. Good for Haye.

I like neither Haye or Valuev, I would have preferred Valuev on the sole fact that I don't like Haye's words chewer. Guess it'll be just more entertaining for the future. Still, Glad for you UK-ers to have a new HW champ, we haven't have had a HW champion in Canada for a loonnggggg timmmee.
11-07-2009, 10:15 PM
BIG H

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by Nameless

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by Nameless

It is not Haye that scared me if he fights Ruiz, it's Ruiz, he will double the jab and grab Haye alll the time, it'll be a jab jab grab fest. A very different boring fight than the one we just assisted.

but still crud and people will holla about how great it is we have a HW champ and all the time the two legit HW title holders get older and older. Good for Haye.

I like neither Haye or Valuev, I would have preferred Valuev on the sole fact that I don't like Haye's words chewer. Guess it'll be just more entertaining for the future. Still, Glad for you UK-ers to have a new HW champ, we haven't have had a HW champion in Canada for a loonnggggg timmmee.

You had Lennox ;D
11-07-2009, 10:25 PM
Nameless

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Nameless

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

but still crud and people will holla about how great it is we have a HW champ and all the time the two legit HW title holders get older and older. Good for Haye.

I like neither Haye or Valuev, I would have preferred Valuev on the sole fact that I don't like Haye's words chewer. Guess it'll be just more entertaining for the future. Still, Glad for you UK-ers to have a new HW champ, we haven't have had a HW champion in Canada for a loonnggggg timmmee.

You had Lennox ;D

That was a lonngg time ago... well, for my standards :) and It has been pretty much the only one in a long time too.
11-08-2009, 06:59 AM
Dark Lord Al

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

I must admit , if Valuev had big power he would be a real beast.
I really dont understand why Valuev's corner didnt tell him to jab at Haye's chest and bring the right uppercut into play.
I also thought Adam Booth showed his inexperience .
11-08-2009, 08:01 AM
smashup

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt

Agree mate, he was off balance too and def seemed to slip.

Piss poor card really and just glad i never paid for it.

Well done Haye though.

Good tactics.
11-08-2009, 09:15 AM
Master

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

Thankfully I did not pay for it, but will watch the repeat. :cool:
11-08-2009, 10:22 AM
ono

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt

I'm watching it again now. He didn't slip. His legs deserted him quite badly. It wasn't a clean shot really. Probably down to tiredness aswell. There was no tangle of legs, he didn't slip on the canvas, his legs went, then he shook his head whilst looking rather confused. He then grabbed Haye and held until the referee broke them up.
11-08-2009, 10:55 AM
piye

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

Valuev was hurt. If Haye catches Wlad with some of those shots he'll knock him out. He'll struggle with Vitali though as the man has the work rate power and chin.
11-08-2009, 11:05 AM
GuyIncognito76

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

It was a terrible fight, but that was Haye's best chance of winning given the physical differences.

I knew Haye had won as soon as I saw Don King trying to muscle in with him, what was it he said after the Fraiser/Foreman fight? "I came with the champ and I left with the champ"

Haye did land more punches, and more good punches, than Valuev who apart from always walking forward did very little else.

So the ends justify the means. I don't rate Ruiz but I think he is an ideal oppenent for Haye and hopefully an opponent he can look good against/
11-08-2009, 11:08 AM
ninjaspy3

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt

I'm watching it again now. He didn't slip. His legs deserted him quite badly. It wasn't a clean shot really. Probably down to tiredness aswell. There was no tangle of legs, he didn't slip on the canvas, his legs went, then he shook his head whilst looking rather confused. He then grabbed Haye and held until the referee broke them up.

I'm glad someone actually paid attention to the fight. Yeah, they even showed the replay of this in slow motion and it was clear that Valuev didn't slip. There is entirely too much of people trying to discredit Haye's performance on here. Even if he did just enough to win.
11-08-2009, 11:10 AM
BIG H

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt

I'm watching it again now. He didn't slip. His legs deserted him quite badly. It wasn't a clean shot really. Probably down to tiredness aswell. There was no tangle of legs, he didn't slip on the canvas, his legs went, then he shook his head whilst looking rather confused. He then grabbed Haye and held until the referee broke them up.

I still think he slipped/lost his footing and not because of a punch. He got hit with much better shots than that during the fight and they didn't have any affaect.
11-08-2009, 12:44 PM
ninjaspy3

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Am I the only one that thinks Valuev was not hurt in the 12th, he just slipped :confused:

Go back and watch the replay, Haye taps him with a left that hardly connects and Valuev slips and then shakes his head. I definitely don't think he was hurt

I'm watching it again now. He didn't slip. His legs deserted him quite badly. It wasn't a clean shot really. Probably down to tiredness aswell. There was no tangle of legs, he didn't slip on the canvas, his legs went, then he shook his head whilst looking rather confused. He then grabbed Haye and held until the referee broke them up.

I still think he slipped/lost his footing and not because of a punch. He got hit with much better shots than that during the fight and they didn't have any affaect.

I can only recommend to watch that part of the fight again if you have access to it. He seriouly looked dazed for a few seconds and recovered while in the clinch with Haye.
11-08-2009, 01:14 PM
00lambeths

Re: Haye v Valuev PPV.

This is a show of how much of a poor division heavyweight is, haye had to do wat he done but surely he should have thrown more it was a borefest and thank god its over. One thing i will say is haye was accurate with the 2 to 5 punches he threw a round, valuev should feel robbed for the way in which haye took the title, and lets hope there is'nt a rematch.

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