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Hey old friend. I don't know if I agree I haven't seen tonight's fight yet but Dawson has still had fighting lapses consistently throughout his career - fight to fight and round to round - and that would be all bad against the very consistent Kessler.
But it's still possible, it's not like that's not going out on a huge limb, he's the undisputed guy in the division above Kessler.
I think its very hard to determine who would win that fight, they are both excellent fights, and Kessler is so sharp, and very quick himself. I was surprised at how close his handspeed was to Calzaghe's in every deparment except combinations, and I think that was largely due to the fact that their punching technique is so vastly different.
With both fighters being so technically sound, it would make for a great fight...
Kessler has a habit of finishing fights, and Dawson, with his fights against Tarver and Johnson apparently can't.
Dawson's superb defense might be too much for a fighter naturally smaller than him.
If Kessler's power didn't convert to 175, then it probably would not be a good fight.
I dont know.Dawson does not escalate to the next level on a dime,when needed quickly.He still coasts and gets to complacent.Kessler is a very solid straight hitter and would himself be on another level in with Dawson.I'd call it a toss up but I just think Dawson is reachable,does this noticable resetting pattern with his feetLeft hooks are there to land,especially over 2nd part of fight.He did a great job early of neutalizing Johnson right hand and sliding off,Kess has a truer straight right hand with maybe a touch more on it.Flip a coin but I dont think its a forgone conclussion that Dawson wins.Think he still has work to do,needs to stoke his internal fire.
I would pick Dawson to beat Kessler.
Dawson is just as good as Kessler fundamentally but is faster and more atheltic.
His ability to put fast combinations together is impressive and against Kessler he would use that to keep Kessler on the defensive.
Kessler does have a good chance in this fight though based on his very solid jab and the power in his right hand that would possibly cause Dawsons problems. Dawson does seem to lose focus half way through his fights and Kessler would probably be able to take advantage of that also.
I say a 8-4 decision for Dawson.
any talk of kessler's lefthook is a moot point because he has a crappy slapping lefthook.
anyway, dawson in his adamek form would win a wide decision. he's just slightly more versatile.
no way would dawson beat kessler imo - kessler is to good and would of been one of the first people to beat johnson easily and widely, possible taking him out
No no no Kessler would dismantle Dawson. Dawson's trainer needs to teach him something called agression. Dawson will never be a big draw because he has NO killer instinct, and he's terribly lazy! Kessler is a much much better boxer than Johnson ever thought about being, so you wouldn't see Dawson landing those jabs so easy. Im just waiting for Dawson to get owned by Hopkins, I wish they would set that up next. Hopkins would put Dawson in a dog fight which he desperatly needs to get him out of the "most boring champion" category. But anyway Kessler beats dawson IMO.
Yeah, Dawson is the real deal. I get the feeling people are waiting for the next RJJ and therefore are never going to be satisfied with Dawson's ability and wins. Thats too high of a bar. Kessler is technical and has good timing so I don't want to make it out to be a one sided fight. But I see Dawson winning this fight rather comfortably. Dawson is not just fast and technical but he is athletic and a sothpaw is not the greatest choice opponent to have with those attributes.
I think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Really by choosing Ornelas he chose a still much larger draw in Jones Jr.They see the writing on the wall and wanna make that huge finale though the final negotions may be more exciting than the fight itself.I'd personally love Dawson and Hopkins over that one but in fairness Dawsons drawing power has still to reach big time status.He has time.
Hopkins is fighting Ornelas as a tune up for a Jones fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitI think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Jones is twice the draw Dawson is.
Lets not forget that Hopkins is donating the money he earns for the Ornelas fight to charity.
Bhop was actually considering the winner of Dawson/Johnson but Jones started calling Hopkins out so he took that fight.
Yes, I'm aware that RJJ is the draw and the major fight. I was in no way comparing Dawson to being a draw. I'm just pointing out to one post, who apparently has no respect for Dawson and thinks Dawson will get owned by Kessler and BHop, that even BHop is very well aware and respectful enough of Dawson's ability that he understands that taking him on could ruin a RJJ/BHop rematch. I understand the business of boxing and what BHop is doing. He should be doing that especially at his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticHopkins is fighting Ornelas as a tune up for a Jones fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitI think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Jones is twice the draw Dawson is.
Lets not forget that Hopkins is donating the money he earns for the Ornelas fight to charity.
Bhop was actually considering the winner of Dawson/Johnson but Jones started calling Hopkins out so he took that fight.
Kessler doesn't have a left hook? huh? Did you watch the Andrade fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
Kessler would outwork Dawson quite easily. Dawson takes so much time off in his fights throwing only intermittently. Kessler might even knock him out. Kessler is a much more assured and and all round fighter for me. Dawson either attacks or defends, he seems to have no fluidity between those two things. Kessler would take advantage of Dawsons flaws.
Dawson reminds me of Taylor from a few years back, all it will take is the right opponent to bust him up and Kessler would be one to do it.
Dawson is not mentally solid enough if you ask me, very often he gets gun shy and basically stop to press the action, against a murderous puncher like Kessler, you just can't do that. I think that the first 4-5 rounds would be competitive and then it would be a downfall to hell for Dawson.
Taeth, from the fights you've seen what other punches should we expect to see from Kessler in the Ward fight besides the one-two that he uses so well?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethKessler doesn't have a left hook? huh? Did you watch the Andrade fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
A Dawson v. Kessler fight is huge if Kessler wins the Super Six and Dawson beats Pascal.
good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitYes, I'm aware that RJJ is the draw and the major fight. I was in no way comparing Dawson to being a draw. I'm just pointing out to one post, who apparently has no respect for Dawson and thinks Dawson will get owned by Kessler and BHop, that even BHop is very well aware and respectful enough of Dawson's ability that he understands that taking him on could ruin a RJJ/BHop rematch. I understand the business of boxing and what BHop is doing. He should be doing that especially at his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticHopkins is fighting Ornelas as a tune up for a Jones fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegit
Jones is twice the draw Dawson is.
Lets not forget that Hopkins is donating the money he earns for the Ornelas fight to charity.
Bhop was actually considering the winner of Dawson/Johnson but Jones started calling Hopkins out so he took that fight.
Kessler is actually very overated nowadays imo.
There is no denying Kessler is good but his resume is weak.
His best win is Andrade who is a decent fighter but nothing special.
Kessler's only real test was against Calzaghe and he lost. He did make it a competitive fight for 4 rounds though. :rolleyes:
I'm a Hopkins fan but there is no doubt in my mind that Dawson would cause Hopkins trouble with his size and speed.
Hopkins would be able frustrate Dawson with his Defense, movement, counters and rough inside tactics.
Overall i think it's a bad fight for Dawson because whether you win or lose, Hopkins makes you look bad and if Dawson was to win, he wouldn't get much credit because Bernard would likely be 45 by the time they fought.
On the Kessler - Dawson fight i think Dawson would win quite clearly.
I think his speed and athleticism is too much for Kessler to handle.
Dawson is very good at putting fast combos together and i think this would trouble Kessler. Dawson would have to watch for Kessler's right hand though.
What worries me for Kessler is, Calzaghe was able to hurt him to the body and from what i have seen from Dawson he can crack to the body especially when he is putting his combos together.
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Originally Posted by Pugilisticgood point.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitYes, I'm aware that RJJ is the draw and the major fight. I was in no way comparing Dawson to being a draw. I'm just pointing out to one post, who apparently has no respect for Dawson and thinks Dawson will get owned by Kessler and BHop, that even BHop is very well aware and respectful enough of Dawson's ability that he understands that taking him on could ruin a RJJ/BHop rematch. I understand the business of boxing and what BHop is doing. He should be doing that especially at his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Kessler is actually very overated nowadays imo.
There is no denying Kessler is good but his resume is weak.
His best win is Andrade who is a decent fighter but nothing special.
Kessler's only real test was against Calzaghe and he lost. He did make it a competitive fight for 4 rounds though. :rolleyes:
I'm a Hopkins fan but there is no doubt in my mind that Dawson would cause Hopkins trouble with his size and speed.
Hopkins would be able frustrate Dawson with his Defense, movement, counters and rough inside tactics.
Overall i think it's a bad fight for Dawson because whether you win or lose, Hopkins makes you look bad and if Dawson was to win, he wouldn't get much credit because Bernard would likely be 45 by the time they fought.
On the Kessler - Dawson fight i think Dawson would win quite clearly.
I think his speed and athleticism is too much for Kessler to handle.
Dawson is very good at putting fast combos together and i think this would trouble Kessler. Dawson would have to watch for Kessler's right hand though.
What worries me for Kessler is, Calzaghe was able to hurt him to the body and from what i have seen from Dawson he can crack to the body especially when he is putting his combos together.
You will allways say Kessler is overated even if he won the super six tournament, it calls pure hate to Kessler, moron
dawson doesn't need to be a PBF to beat someone like kessler. that's what some of you don't get. kessler ain't a fucking great technician like some of you make him out to be. he's a typical stand-up euro fighter with a very basic skillset. he has zero inside game for crying out loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
kessler is so fucking overrated it's not even funny. i've heard people comparing him to juan manuel marquez ffs. jmm's more dynamic than kessler will ever be despite being a very flawed fighter himself.
Your so f*cking stupid its almost worth crying overQuote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambaydawson doesn't need to be a PBF to beat someone like kessler. that's what some of you don't get. kessler ain't a fucking great technician like some of you make him out to be. he's a typical stand-up euro fighter with a very basic skillset. he has zero inside game for crying out loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
kessler is so fucking overrated it's not even funny. i've heard people comparing him to juan manuel marquez ffs. jmm's more dynamic than kessler will ever be despite being a very flawed fighter himself.
WHO the hell on this site has compared the ultra effective 168pound technician mikkel kessler to the super fast, hard hitting 130pound juan manuel marquez?
seriously...out them, they are as stupid and retarded as you are!!
on another forum u dumbshit.
if kessler is an "ultra effective" technician, then what do you make of guys like vernon forrest and marco antonio barrera who aren't even considered first-tier technicians?
if u think kessler is a technician, your standard for what makes a technician is atrociously low.
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Originally Posted by sumkalambay
I do apologise
Next time i want to quote you on something i`ll make extra sure i scour the whole of the world wide web :11fb8:
I still doubt you'd find that comparison anywhere ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
I do apologise
Next time i want to quote you on something i`ll make extra sure i scour the whole of the world wide web :11fb8:
You guys are cold as ice.
:vd: sorry
oooooo good one.
Hammer vs the ice man (not John Scully), interesting Hammer actually has a shot at winning this as his opponent has a history of beating himself. Unbelievable.
Um anyways like I said it's not going out there. I wouldn't compare Kessler to Marquez but if they did I'm sure it was just a reference to the counterpunching styles.
He uses the uppercut really well when people lunge in...Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratTaeth, from the fights you've seen what other punches should we expect to see from Kessler in the Ward fight besides the one-two that he uses so well?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethKessler doesn't have a left hook? huh? Did you watch the Andrade fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
A Dawson v. Kessler fight is huge if Kessler wins the Super Six and Dawson beats Pascal.
I totally agree; I was thinking earlier that a Kessler/Abraham (super six winner) v Dawson fight would be great.
Mix that in with the winner of Pavlik v Bute, and the great fights will continue for a couple of years.
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Originally Posted by blegitYes, I'm aware that RJJ is the draw and the major fight. I was in no way comparing Dawson to being a draw. I'm just pointing out to one post, who apparently has no respect for Dawson and thinks Dawson will get owned by Kessler and BHop, that even BHop is very well aware and respectful enough of Dawson's ability that he understands that taking him on could ruin a RJJ/BHop rematch. I understand the business of boxing and what BHop is doing. He should be doing that especially at his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticHopkins is fighting Ornelas as a tune up for a Jones fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegit
Jones is twice the draw Dawson is.
Lets not forget that Hopkins is donating the money he earns for the Ornelas fight to charity.
Bhop was actually considering the winner of Dawson/Johnson but Jones started calling Hopkins out so he took that fight.
I respect dawson's ability just not his heart. I fighter with a big heart knows when to put people away, and a fighter with a big heart does not become lazy just because he's ahead on points. Your probly saying "what does it matter about heart when he's easily beating people?" It's gonna matter when someone like a Hopkins (a dirty fighter) puts him in a dog fight. I just think when this type a fight finally comes along he's gonna be very green and not used to a brawl.
Did you really expect Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver to be "put away" material??? I respect your opinion but BHop doesn't brawl. He is dirty but he is in no way a brawler. Brawling would actually be a very bad move for BHop, Dawson has all the advantages there, and he knows that. BHop is a tactician and the best at it. BHop would like to control the tempo and pick his spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFanQuote:
Originally Posted by blegitYes, I'm aware that RJJ is the draw and the major fight. I was in no way comparing Dawson to being a draw. I'm just pointing out to one post, who apparently has no respect for Dawson and thinks Dawson will get owned by Kessler and BHop, that even BHop is very well aware and respectful enough of Dawson's ability that he understands that taking him on could ruin a RJJ/BHop rematch. I understand the business of boxing and what BHop is doing. He should be doing that especially at his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
I respect dawson's ability just not his heart. I fighter with a big heart knows when to put people away, and a fighter with a big heart does not become lazy just because he's ahead on points. Your probly saying "what does it matter about heart when he's easily beating people?" It's gonna matter when someone like a Hopkins (a dirty fighter) puts him in a dog fight. I just think when this type a fight finally comes along he's gonna be very green and not used to a brawl.
Wait Wait... are you saying Kessler is not a very solid technician here? If do, you didn't watch none of his fights; you can remove whatever you want from the guy but 2 things: Extremely solid technician and damn hard hands. NO. HE IS a fierce technician.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
name me a technician who didn't know how to in-fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessWait Wait... are you saying Kessler is not a very solid technician here? If do, you didn't watch none of his fights; you can remove whatever you want from the guy but 2 things: Extremely solid technician and damn hard hands. NO. HE IS a fierce technician.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
kalambay was a technician. hopkins is a technician. donald curry was a superb technician. calzaghe's a technician, despite how unorthodox(and many times sloppy) he looks. kessler isn't.
The thing is he is fighting an excellent boxer at range, the one-two is the best thing to use against Ward, especially the jab. He showed an excellent uppercut against Calzaghe, he's thown a great left hook a few other times, but against Ward the one-two is his best option.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratTaeth, from the fights you've seen what other punches should we expect to see from Kessler in the Ward fight besides the one-two that he uses so well?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethKessler doesn't have a left hook? huh? Did you watch the Andrade fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
A Dawson v. Kessler fight is huge if Kessler wins the Super Six and Dawson beats Pascal.
I don't hate Kessler.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pugilisticgood point.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegit
Kessler is actually very overated nowadays imo.
There is no denying Kessler is good but his resume is weak.
His best win is Andrade who is a decent fighter but nothing special.
Kessler's only real test was against Calzaghe and he lost. He did make it a competitive fight for 4 rounds though. :rolleyes:
I'm a Hopkins fan but there is no doubt in my mind that Dawson would cause Hopkins trouble with his size and speed.
Hopkins would be able frustrate Dawson with his Defense, movement, counters and rough inside tactics.
Overall i think it's a bad fight for Dawson because whether you win or lose, Hopkins makes you look bad and if Dawson was to win, he wouldn't get much credit because Bernard would likely be 45 by the time they fought.
On the Kessler - Dawson fight i think Dawson would win quite clearly.
I think his speed and athleticism is too much for Kessler to handle.
Dawson is very good at putting fast combos together and i think this would trouble Kessler. Dawson would have to watch for Kessler's right hand though.
What worries me for Kessler is, Calzaghe was able to hurt him to the body and from what i have seen from Dawson he can crack to the body especially when he is putting his combos together.
You will allways say Kessler is overated even if he won the super six tournament, it calls pure hate to Kessler, moron
I respect his ability in the ring, I was simply stating that his resume isn't that good.
Kessler would get full credit from me if he wins the tourney, hell i'm picking him to win it all.
YOu haven't looked at Kessler fight and it is obvious. His head movements are perfect, his jab is one of the best around, his guard is stiff and he has excellent hook and uppercut, I do not see any arguments why he isn't good, hell, most specialists even see him winning the 6 men tournament, the guy's no fluke at all, you can hate him but it is not a reason to become irrational.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambayname me a technician who didn't know how to in-fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessWait Wait... are you saying Kessler is not a very solid technician here? If do, you didn't watch none of his fights; you can remove whatever you want from the guy but 2 things: Extremely solid technician and damn hard hands. NO. HE IS a fierce technician.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
kalambay was a technician. hopkins is a technician. donald curry was a superb technician. calzaghe's a technician, despite how unorthodox(and many times sloppy) he looks. kessler isn't.
Comparing Kessler to the likes of Hopkins and Calzaghe is unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambayname me a technician who didn't know how to in-fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessWait Wait... are you saying Kessler is not a very solid technician here? If do, you didn't watch none of his fights; you can remove whatever you want from the guy but 2 things: Extremely solid technician and damn hard hands. NO. HE IS a fierce technician.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
kalambay was a technician. hopkins is a technician. donald curry was a superb technician. calzaghe's a technician, despite how unorthodox(and many times sloppy) he looks. kessler isn't.
What made Hopkins and Calzaghe so great was their ability to fight coming forward or on the backfoot effectively.
From what i've seen from Kessler, he is most effective boxing behind his jab and using his jab to set up his strong fast right hand or putting combos together.
Kessler is the perfect example of a conventional boxer, he is well rounded, good jab, solid defense, uses his footwork effective, dangerous hard right hand, solid left hook and uppercut, is good at putting punches together. He also has surprisingly good handspeed plus good power especially with his right hand.
Overall Kessler is a good technician.
Only GREAT technicians can fight inside and outside effectively.
Exactly who has Mikkel Kessler beaten who's really that good ? i mean his best win is probably Anthony Mundine, and that was a tough close fight. Which was a good win but who else really ? Librado Andrade ? i agree Mikkel Kessler is a good fighter, but i feel he is a bit overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitI think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
We don't really know how good he is he's still a bit unproven IMO, he was beaten handily by Joe Calzaghe. And he hasn't fought any notable fighter since Joe Calzaghe, im not saying he's fought all tomato can's, but we don't really know how good he is yet.
Atleast Chad Dawson has beaten a legit top world class fighter, like Tomasz Adamek. And despite his other 3 best wins, being against older fighters. There still 3 good wins and Antonio Tarver was coming off a real good performance, and Glen Johnson had no signs of slowing down. And Eric Harding was still considered a good fighter.
And remember the last time Glen Johnson was beaten so handily, was probably against Bernard Hopkins in 1997. Everyone wanted to see Chad Dawson beat Glen Johnson more convincingly in the rematch, and he did so top marks to him.
And i know the rematch with Antonio Tarver was a waste a time, but its still two good wins over a good fighter, and remember Antonio Tarver isn't that old in terms of proffessional fighting, because he was a late starter.
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Originally Posted by ICBExactly who has Mikkel Kessler beaten who's really that good ? i mean his best win is probably Anthony Mundine, and that was a tough close fight. Which was a good win but who else really ? Librado Andrade ? i agree Mikkel Kessler is a good fighter, but i feel he is a bit overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitI think you're definitely underestimating Johnson. Maybe to discredit Dawson's wins. Dawson has a better resume than Kessler. What about Adamek or Tarver? Its not by luck that Dawson keeps beating the best around light heavy. He's 5-0 against the great in that category. BTW, Dawson offered BHop a fight before he signed the Johnson fight and BHop turned it down. He said Dawson wasn't a big enough fight but I guess Enrique Ornelas, who he chose instead, is.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
We don't really know how good he is he's still a bit unproven IMO, he was beaten handily by Joe Calzaghe. And he hasn't fought any notable fighter since Joe Calzaghe, im not saying he's fought all tomato can's, but we don't really know how good he is yet.
Atleast Chad Dawson has beaten a legit top world class fighter, like Tomasz Adamek. And despite his other 3 best wins, being against older fighters. There still 3 good wins and Antonio Tarver was coming off a real good performance, and Glen Johnson had no signs of slowing down. And Eric Harding was still considered a good fighter.
And remember the last time Glen Johnson was beaten so handily, was probably against Bernard Hopkins in 1997. Everyone wanted to see Chad Dawson beat Glen Johnson more convincingly in the rematch, and he did so top marks to him.
And i know the rematch with Antonio Tarver was a waste a time, but its still two good wins over a good fighter, and remember Antonio Tarver isn't that old in terms of proffessional fighting, because he was a late starter.
Tarver's complete garbage dude, Tarvers carreer looks like this, win lose win lose win lose win lose win lose....you get the point. I would probly put Taylor over Tarver right now, if that lets you know what I think about him.
I agree with all you said about Kessler and he’s one of the fighters that I like Nameless, but I rate Dawson a bit higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessYOu haven't looked at Kessler fight and it is obvious. His head movements are perfect, his jab is one of the best around, his guard is stiff and he has excellent hook and uppercut, I do not see any arguments why he isn't good, hell, most specialists even see him winning the 6 men tournament, the guy's no fluke at all, you can hate him but it is not a reason to become irrational.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambayname me a technician who didn't know how to in-fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
kalambay was a technician. hopkins is a technician. donald curry was a superb technician. calzaghe's a technician, despite how unorthodox(and many times sloppy) he looks. kessler isn't.
IMO BCD version that beat Adamek can beat any SM or LHW, Hopkins inclusive.
I have no problems with somebody thinking Dawson is superior, that's all a matter of brainstorming and making hypothesis and Dawson is not a bad boxer at all so though I think Kessler would make it, I wouldn't argue vehemently against it if just voicing that I think Kessler, in my opinion, i better. But to say that Kessler is not technical is all another thing and I just can't agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by iwng100I agree with all you said about Kessler and he’s one of the fighters that I like Nameless, but I rate Dawson a bit higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessYOu haven't looked at Kessler fight and it is obvious. His head movements are perfect, his jab is one of the best around, his guard is stiff and he has excellent hook and uppercut, I do not see any arguments why he isn't good, hell, most specialists even see him winning the 6 men tournament, the guy's no fluke at all, you can hate him but it is not a reason to become irrational.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambay
IMO BCD version that beat Adamek can beat any SM or LHW, Hopkins inclusive.