Pac vs Roberto Duran!!

This is a fantasy match i've been thinking about for a while. You have 2 fighters who went through a lot of weight divisions and dominated. But if they were to meet at say 135 or 140 in their respective primes (assuming Pac is prime right now), who would you go for and how? I'm personally swaying for Duran but I don't think it's as easy as some MAY make out. Yes Duran was very solid and durable and probably hits quite a bit harder than Pac, but Pac definitley holds speed over him IMO.

To be honest I think Pac would take the early rounds but i see Duran closing the ring down and pressuring mistakes from Pac the more it goes on and then closing the show around about the 10th from the constant pressure.

How do you see it??

duran is my favorite firghter, i like him more than pac. it will take me a while b4 i vote i have to think. :)

duran by ko. the man was an animal, but was smart with it. even freddie roach says duran would beat pac. its on youtube. think hes on espn and a caller asks him who would win between the two and to my surprise he said duran

Right now I am going with DUran because he was naturally the bigger man, and his style would have been bad news for Pacquiao's style up to now. I really think we can't give a good answer until Manny fights Cotto tomorrow night.

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Right now I am going with DUran because he was naturally the bigger man, and his style would have been bad news for Pacquiao's style up to now. I really think we can't give a good answer until Manny fights Cotto tomorrow night.

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Whilst I was typing the thread up I was thinking the same but then decided to go with how I thought at the moment. If I change my mind after tomorrow i'll make it known on here.

duran at 140
duran at 147
duran at 154
duran at 160

I'd have to go with Duran anything above lightweight. but even at lightweight In the first fight it's Duran in a rematch it's a toss up. Duran has too much ring savvy. Pacquiao would get very frustrated and would have to learn how to deal with Duran's clever use of the body. Even with Roach in pacquiao's corner, it will take a second fight for Pacquiao to be able to coup.

Duran.

What about Pacquaio vs JCC?

I think Pacquaio beats him

*ducks*

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Duran.

What about Pacquaio vs JCC?

I think Pacquaio beats him

*ducks*

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Thats another one I have been thinking about. The problem is I think both have natural size on Pac and that would be telling IMO.

i would favour jcc over pac. but i might change my mind by the end of this weekend depending on what happens in the cotto fight. its better to gauge these dream fights when all is said and done and the fighters finished his career

pac beats chavez


dont ask me why....he just does

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Duran.

What about Pacquaio vs JCC?

I think Pacquaio beats him

*ducks*

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Depends at what weightclass to be honest, but all i know is that the JCC at the lighter weights was fantastic. And he was so accurate especially with his straight right hand, and body shots.

I can't see Manny Pacquiao beating JCC though now thinking about it. JCC's body work is too good, he's too accurate and he's too tough. People will say what about the Pernell Whitaker fight.

Well that was at Welterweight a division JCC didn't do great things at, plus Manny Pacquiao is no Pernell Whitaker especially at defense, Manny Pacquiao is very hittable.

Then there's Meldrick Taylor but then again, Meldrick Taylor fought the fight of his life. Manny Pacquiao isn't as fast as Meldrick Taylor, he doesn't put combination's together as well, and he isn't as skillful as a boxer as Meldrick Taylor.

I just think Manny Pacquiao would be too wide open to the body, and JCC would catch up to him eventually. I know Hector Camacho isn't as powerful or quite as good as Manny Pacquiao, but still he was a skillful Southpaw, and JCC had no trouble with the Southpaw stance.

Because he has a very good straight right hand, a Southpaw's biggest weakness. And a great body attack which he wouldn't have trouble finding against Manny Pacquiao, JCC by TKO in 10 or 11 IMO.

Duran KO's Pac.
Pac KO's or decisions Chavez.

I think prime Duran at lightweight would KO Pacquiao. While Pacquiao is obviously faster Duran's own speed was underrated. Duran had a great jab, head movement and overall defense despite being such a formidable offensive opponent. Duran was also great at feinting and would offset Pacquiao's timing. If SRL could not escape Duran in their first fight I don't see Pacquiao maintaining his balance and avoiding the ropes. Pacquiao would eventually bite the bait and try to match Duran's machismo. Pacquiao's lack of true inside game would come back to haunt him as Duran would methodically beat him up. Duran and Pacquiao are both emotional fighters but Duran couples this with ring intelligence proven throughout his whole career. Duran would not be as easy to turn as other "slow" opponents Pacquiao has fought as his contant yet tactical pressure would force Pacquiao to turn where he wanted. Whatever the outcome it would be a hell of a fight. At times, Pacquiao's movement before exchanges and tendency to express his disdain for his opponent's efforts remind me of Duran.

Against JCC I just see Pacquiao's overall speed of body being too much for Chavez. He would be in-sting-out so many times that JCC would eventually slow down even more and would be a trudging cut fest. I think that if Pacquiao tried that against Duran he would find himself being chased down the same way SLL did yet I don't think he has anywhere near the ring intelligence or natural disposition to avoid the overwhelming physicality of Duran anywhere near as well as Leonard did nor the slickness inside to avoid the inevitable punishment.

Good thread!

I say JCC and Duran both beat Pac

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Good thread!

I say JCC and Duran both beat Pac

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I agree, well at least i do for now until the fight starts in around 12 hours. Getting excited now!

Roberto Duran was mean and he could really cross the line with the way he acted, but he backed it up and I don't think Manny would really appreciate Roberto's charisma...I don't see any fighters out there today that are as menacing as Duran was and the odd fact is Roberto was an EXCELLENT pure boxer, great defense, solid chin, good handspeed, and I don't see Manny Pacquiao taking the beating Ray Leonard did and lasting the distance.

These would be interesting matchups for Pacquiao though:
Naseem Hamed....I would have LOVED to see Naz get starched!

but seriously

Willie Pep
Salvador Sanchez
Alexis Arguello
Aaron Pryor
Carmen Basillio
Kid Gavilan
Azumah Nelson
Pernell Whittaker
Sugar Ramos
Sandy Saddler

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/927/spo2k.jpg
Roberto Duran 58 at the MGM Grand

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Duran KO's Pac.
Pac KO's or decisions Chavez.

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Wow Titofan you know your one of my favorite poster's here, but i couldn't disagree with you more, Manny Pacquiao KO's JCC ? no way in hell Manny Pacquiao more often than not, is an accumulation puncher. Plus JCC has one of the best chins of all time.

He took Edwin Rosario's best punches like it was nothing, and Edwin Rosario is one of the hardest hitting Lightweights of all time. In JCC's prime i never see him ever really hurt, i mean he was stunned a few times against Juan La Porte, but never anything serious.

Gotta go with Duran...he fights back and then some.Really would do a number with a darting in and out Manny and still not sold on Pacquiao fighting well backing up,and if anyone could back Manny and draw him into ...its a prime tenacious Duran.

Cannot pic Pac over Chavez either.If you ran,boxed 90% Chavez would eventually be standing on your chest.He had problems with at range boxers,with pop and side to side.I think he would just have far too much in punch selection,over/under and could be a fantastic inside fighter but indeed a slow starter.Pac would be in front of him eventually,and his body would pay a big price,there goes the legs and I dont see Pacs pop taking a huge toll on Chavezs cast iron head.

Just wondering if anyones changed their minds on the dream matches mentioned in this thread? I haven't, I still think Duran would be too much for Pac.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Just wondering if anyones changed their minds on the dream matches mentioned in this thread? I haven't, I still think Duran would be too much for Pac.

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Would take a lifetime of pac knockouts for me to be convinced at 147 to 160 he would stand a chance against duran

Duran throws the bigger, harder more productive punches all night long. Pacs speed would knock him off balance sure. But eventually roberto would simply double on him and his speed would be way too much.

Over 12 it would go to a decision
Over 15 duran stops him late on

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Just wondering if anyones changed their minds on the dream matches mentioned in this thread? I haven't, I still think Duran would be too much for Pac.

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This could be interesting...Duran can't be Pacquiao or Pacquiao can't be Duran.

Both are great and Duran is an ATG. while Pac is not yet.

They have different accomplishments and era

For now no doubt id pick Duran over Pacquiao. Duran is a monster starting at 135 while Pacquiao was its best starting at 126.

todays generation maybe for Pacquiao. thats why we are comparing to those who are some all time greats.

history will tell.