1.Manny Pacquiao
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Juan Manuel Marquez
4.Shane Mosley
5.Juanma Lopez
6.Paul Williams
7.Chad Dawson
8.Vic Darchinyan
9.Mikkel Kessler
10.Humberto Soto
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1.Manny Pacquiao
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Juan Manuel Marquez
4.Shane Mosley
5.Juanma Lopez
6.Paul Williams
7.Chad Dawson
8.Vic Darchinyan
9.Mikkel Kessler
10.Humberto Soto
darchinyan , juanma , soto??wtf
Not the best list mate, your opinion but Lopez at 5??????? Wo has he actully beat?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Where is Hopkins??
Darchinyan got beat last time out against an average belt holder who lost his title in his next fight, Soto has potential to be top 10 but again the names are not there there, Kessler similar to Soto he has beat nobody to be anywhere near the top 10.
My list
1. Manny
2. Floyd
3. Hopkins
4. JMM
5. Mosley
6. Williams
7. Dawson
8. Caballero
9. Wlad
10. Abraham
Surely Carl Froch should be up there! he's always telling us how great he is:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Froch can go jump into a cauldron of boiling monkey piss! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121Surely Carl Froch should be up there! he's always telling us how great he is:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
HattontheHammer, I'm surprised you haven't tried to sneak Ricky in there at number 9 or something. At least he's top of the "Best KO'd" list ;D
I agree with your top 2 though
Well as far the the No1 goes thats without doubt Manny !
David Haye should be in there IMO :cool:
B Hop hasn't fought in over a year.. But yeah he could make the list somewhere I suppose.
I'm not sure why people wanna take Darchinyan off there, he was jumping up weight classes trying to do great things. I think he can still make Super Flyweight easy or stay in Bantam and still kick more butt.
Soto? I got nothing for. He's good, could be great, but untested.
Pacquiao
Mosley
Mayweather
Williams
Hasegawa
JMLopez
JMM
Darchinyan
Dawson
Colderan
I still have have PBF over Pac. He's undefeated and people are forgetting how he completetly dominated Marquez--I mean it was like they were in different leagues--a man who gave Pac a lot of trouble. I have Mosely and Willaims up there so that makes for a very interesting welterweight division.
1. PBF
2. Pac
3. Hopkins
4. Mosely
5. Williams
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Originally Posted by skel1983Not the best list mate, your opinion but Lopez at 5??????? Wo has he actully beat?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Where is Hopkins??
Darchinyan got beat last time out against an average belt holder who lost his title in his next fight, Soto has potential to be top 10 but again the names are not there there, Kessler similar to Soto he has beat nobody to be anywhere near the top 10.
My list
1. Manny
2. Floyd
3. Hopkins
4. JMM
5. Mosley
6. Williams
7. Dawson
8. Caballero
9. Wlad
10. Abraham
Thats a good list
My list:
1 Manny
2 Floyd
3 Jmm
4 Hopkins
5 Mosley
6 Dawson
7 Williams
8 Wlad
9 Abraham
10 Cotto
Personally I feel heavyweights should be included in the p4p as then the merits of all fighters and their acomplishments are respected. As much as I hate him David Haye would then squeak in as a unified cruiserweight champ and a legit heavyweight title belt holder. Wlad's reign has been a long and dominating one in recent years and the two of them have done more in an absolute sense than guys like Donaire and Artur Abraham imo. Wlad has dominated his division, Haye has won titles in two divisions and is only the second cruiser in history to become world heavyweight champ I believe.
They deserve slots ahead of Nonito ('Ive fought one world rated guy in my whole career) Donaire, and Abraham who is yet to face a legit, prime opponent.
1. Pacquaio
2. Mayweather
3. Mosely
4. Hopkins (drops below Mosely due to inactivity)
5. Marquez
6. Dawson
7. Williams
8. Wlad
9. Cabellero
10. Haye
1)Manny
2)Floyd
3)JMM
4)Bernard
5)Shane
6)Chad Dawson
7)Calderon
8)P. Williams
9)A. Abraham
10)Hasegawa
Agree with you completley. Haye would have to go in if your basing it on results and belts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Same goes for a Klitscho, as much as I dislike them, you cannot take away the fact they have been unbeatable for so long. Plus, in their most recent fights they took very good opponents apart and made it look very easy. Boring style yes, succesfull big yes.
Calderon doesn't deserve to be top 10 any more, he's looked very beatable in his last two fights with Mayol.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Calderon has gone from straweight to light fly weight and has met his limit.
Manny has gone from straweight to welterweight and destroys the boys up there. The difference is stark.
Caldron, meh, good defence, but not really that good. No firepower at all.
LOL, you're just messing with me now or you have Alzheimers, one of the two.
I can't believe you with your utter hatred of small guys pick one to put on your list but its the wrong fucking one.
I don't hate them at all I just assess them more realistically.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I think people treat little guys the way they treat animals. I.e a show a Cappacin Monkey breaking a nut and people will go 'Aww look at how clever they are!'.
Well its relative, yes they can use stones to crack nuts but but that's not exactly going to send a monkey to the moon is it?
It's the same with little guys, one of them shows some defence and he's a little Mayweather, knock a guy out and he's a mini Tyson.
The standards of comparison are just ridicously low. Never mind that they are fighting in a pool of about 300 fellow pro's worldwide, and that most are part time and combine boxing with fishing, goat herding and paper rounds, people give them maximum credit for beating these 13-3-3 guys and equate it to being equal to or even better than beating an unbeaten challenger in the welterweight division.
It's all nonsense really. If a 112 lber is really p4p he can move up and beat guys up to 122 at least. Manny did it, J M Marquez has done it.
these other guys, if they can only rule their pathetically uncompetative divisions they arn't p4p.
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't hate them at all I just assess them more realistically.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I think people treat little guys the way they treat animals. I.e a show a Cappacin Monkey breaking a nut and people will go 'Aww look at how clever they are!'.
Well its relative, yes they can use stones to crack nuts but but that's not exactly going to send a monkey to the moon is it?
It's the same with little guys, one of them shows some defence and he's a little Mayweather, knock a guy out and he's a mini Tyson.
The standards of comparison are just ridicously low. Never mind that they are fighting in a pool of about 300 fellow pro's worldwide, and that most are part time and combine boxing with fishing, goat herding and paper rounds, people give them maximum credit for beating these 13-3-3 guys and equate it to being equal to or even better than beating an unbeaten challenger in the welterweight division.
It's all nonsense really. If a 112 lber is really p4p he can move up and beat guys up to 122 at least. Manny did it, J M Marquez has done it.
these other guys, if they can only rule their pathetically uncompetative divisions they arn't p4p.
Either has Mosley?? But he is you number two??Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds