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Personally, I feel that the monarchy has no relevance within a supposedly democratic model. The BBC has been pestering me with news about the Queens speech, and quite frankly, I couldn't give a shit about anything she has to say. I think all of her homes should be seized by the state and given to the homeless and needy.
So, a simple poll. Should they stay or should they go?
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Yep, they should go.
Lots of people that say they should go point out the money they cost. People counter this by pointing out the money they bring to the economy.
But for me money is irrelevent here. The amounts involved make no difference to peoples lives. Sure, if the were costing every tax payer several hundred pounds a year, or bringing in billions to the economy then money would be relevent. But they don't.
For me, its simply a matter of being morally opposed to being the 'subject' of anybody. Id prefer to be a 'citizen' thanks.
Also, i hate the class system. For me the are the living embodiment of inequality and injustice. We will not be living in a truly 'classless' nation whilst they sit in their palaces, being served by 100s of people, simply due to their 'birth right'.
Basically, i hate the monster that is the class system. They represent the head of that monster.
I particularly like the refrain of "chop, chop, chop chop off their heads". It has a very catchy feel to it....;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
These buggers have all these privileges given to them from birth until the very last of them dies out. And there really is no justification for it, nor even any debate raised in the media about it. It's a farce, these people have no relevance. The Queen and her hubby should be forced to leave the palaces and cook their own soup in a bungalow in Worthing. I am quite serious.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I agree with pretty much everything you say here. We should have abolished the monarchy about the same time we surrendered most of the empire.
The Royal family doesn't bring in that much money IMO. People come to look at the buildings that these privileged people live in. It really isn't for the absurdity that is the Royal family themselves. Though I am sure there are some antiquated thinkers that are into that kind of thing.
The Royal family for me makes no sense in a supposedly democratic nation. They are there by default. You cannot vote them in, nor vote them out. They are there no matter what you do. On that principle they shouldn't be there at all.
Is the Royal family not independently wealthy?
At an earlier news conference, Queen Elizabeth II’s accountant, Sir Alan Reid, Keeper of the Privy Purse, pleaded with the British government for an extra £1 million a year, or about $2 million, to help fix the Windsors’ roof. “The annual cost per person in the country of funding the head of state amounts to 62 pence,” he said, somewhat apologetically. “There is good evidence that we continue to pursue value for money in running the royal household.”Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
This is from from the New York Times in 2007....apparently not so independant.
It is estimated that the Queen has an estimated wealth of $650, 000, 000....I don't think she has really earned all that in her life time of visiting countries trying to appease heads of state and making public speeches. She has all that wealth and she can still claim 62 pence per British person to fix her repairs and buy her gandchildren presents? It's a bit much for even any apologist of the Royal family.
Never
the royal family is inerent to the british way of life
As a brit i personally feel nothing prouder but knowing i am serving my queen and country as a proud upstanding citizen!
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What a surprise.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Im a capitalist and a tradionalist - know thats not exactly "cool" in this day and age. But there my beliefs.
PS:an irishman that wants rid of the royals
you dont see that everyday....
:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:
Yes. Or No. Its not up to me.
Its creepy.
Inherent?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
The fact that the rich should tread upon all those that stand below?
Are you serious HMH, surely this is satire? :-\
In what way have you ever served Queen or country?
Every day of my life i get up at 5.30 in the morning to go to a job that pays way below what it should and having to hand over endless amounts of taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by milesInherent?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
The fact that the rich should tread upon all those that stand below?
Are you serious HMH, surely this is satire? :-\
In what way have you ever served Queen or country?
Doesnt bother me though. The royals were here long before me and they`ll be here long after me
Because a few hippy wannabe flag burners want a socialist pure society where everyone does different things yet we all live by the same means because it suits those concerned doesnt mean we all have to be of that persuasion.
Im at the bottom of the ladder yet still my beliefs far outweight my own personal gains
Blimey, Hammer, you are one sad bastard mate. :-\
That's a weak philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerEvery day of my life i get up at 5.30 in the morning to go to a job that pays way below what it should and having to hand over endless amounts of taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by milesInherent?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
The fact that the rich should tread upon all those that stand below?
Are you serious HMH, surely this is satire? :-\
In what way have you ever served Queen or country?
Doesnt bother me though. The royals were here long before me and they`ll be here long after me
Because a few hippy wannabe flag burners want a socialist pure society where everyone does different things yet we all live by the same means because it suits those concerned doesnt mean we all have to be of that persuasion.
Im at the bottom of the ladder yet still my beliefs far outweight my own personal gains
It's not about socialism either. It's about what is right.
The Royal family has no relevance, do you not see this? They have huge homes and wealth and still they claim from the taxpayer. You earn fuck all per hour and they are still taxing you....and yet you think this is okay....after all they were here first? :-\
Don't blame it on the hippies or the socialists...blame it on your own piss poor system and blame your monarchy as well. They are to blame. And yet you want the monarchy? They provide nothing.
Legally and historically talking, they are irrelevant. They could disappear that the democratic REgime would still work damn fine in most case. In Belgium it is a bit different but it is all another case, maybe here Albert is kinda gathering the country in one piece but once the situation will be fixed over here, the King doesn't have much significance neither. As for England.. well, they are used as promotion tool from time to time but that is all. I wouldn't advocating to give them the guillotine but I would certainly be in favor that the State stops to give them any high royalties though.
As they have been for the last 600 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by milesThat's a weak philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerEvery day of my life i get up at 5.30 in the morning to go to a job that pays way below what it should and having to hand over endless amounts of taxesQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Doesnt bother me though. The royals were here long before me and they`ll be here long after me
Because a few hippy wannabe flag burners want a socialist pure society where everyone does different things yet we all live by the same means because it suits those concerned doesnt mean we all have to be of that persuasion.
Im at the bottom of the ladder yet still my beliefs far outweight my own personal gains
It's not about socialism either. It's about what is right.
The Royal family has no relevance, do you not see this? They have huge homes and wealth and still they claim from the taxpayer. You earn fuck all per hour and they are still taxing you....and yet you think this is okay....after all they were here first? :-\
Don't blame it on the hippies or the socialists...blame it on your own piss poor system and blame your monarchy as well. They are to blame. And yet you want the monarchy? They provide nothing.
Why all of a sudden is the time right now to abolish their power?
If I could have 62 pence from every tax payer once a year I would never work again....but as this is the Queen this is justified... And she has all that invested wealth too, plus lands that she doesn't even need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Now is as good a time as any. I suggested earlier that the end of WW2 would have been a good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerAs they have been for the last 600 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by milesThat's a weak philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
It's not about socialism either. It's about what is right.
The Royal family has no relevance, do you not see this? They have huge homes and wealth and still they claim from the taxpayer. You earn fuck all per hour and they are still taxing you....and yet you think this is okay....after all they were here first? :-\
Don't blame it on the hippies or the socialists...blame it on your own piss poor system and blame your monarchy as well. They are to blame. And yet you want the monarchy? They provide nothing.
Why all of a sudden is the time right now to abolish their power?
Power? What fookin power? They have none? They are just mouthpieces for what the populace wants to hear.
They are to millions the echelons of everything that represents this great countryQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNow is as good a time as any. I suggested earlier that the end of WW2 would have been a good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerAs they have been for the last 600 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Why all of a sudden is the time right now to abolish their power?
Power? What fookin power? They have none? They are just mouthpieces for what the populace wants to hear.
No they dont neccesary throw their weight around like a dutch monarchy. Far from means they are useless.
Youve spent far too long away from our great isles. Come back to the light and you`ll realise this country cannot exist without our beloved royals
What a crock of shit. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerThey are to millions the echelons of everything that represents this great countryQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNow is as good a time as any. I suggested earlier that the end of WW2 would have been a good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Power? What fookin power? They have none? They are just mouthpieces for what the populace wants to hear.
No they dont neccesary throw their weight around like a dutch monarchy. Far from means they are useless.
Youve spent far too long away from our great isles. Come back to the light and you`ll realise this country cannot exist without our beloved royals
I know enough to know that countries without dumbass royal families do just fine. And you want to pretend it means something. I've spent plenty of time away from home learning, you don't learn things from idiots in the UK.
Good for themQuote:
Originally Posted by milesWhat a crock of shit. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerThey are to millions the echelons of everything that represents this great countryQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
No they dont neccesary throw their weight around like a dutch monarchy. Far from means they are useless.
Youve spent far too long away from our great isles. Come back to the light and you`ll realise this country cannot exist without our beloved royals
I know enough to know that countries without dumbass royal families do just fine. And you want to pretend it means something. I've spent plenty of time away from home learning, you don't learn things from idiots in the UK.
we havent all got paint from the same canvas have we?
What works for one country doesnt neccesarily for another!
They were discussing this topic on Talksport last night
My opinion
1.) The Royals bring in a shed load of money from tourism... But that's a historical thing, it's about buildings and history, not about the actual people - who come here thinking they will actually see the queen :confused: France hasn't had a monarchy for centuries and Paris has far more tourists than London
2.) They do a lot for charity - Correct, but it's us that pay the money into the charities and we would still do it if Deavid Beckham was the face of the charity instead of Prince Charles
3.) It's our history! - So what, are the Royals throughout history really people to look up to and aspisr to? Rapists, theives, murderers!
4.) They have no executive powers are not elected - we need to get with the times and kick them out
HMH, what exactly does the Queen do for you? I might not agree with all my elected officials, but they are doing SOMETHING that makes an impact on my life and thus they draw a salary for it. But what does a figurehead with no power do for you that she should remain?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerGood for themQuote:
Originally Posted by milesWhat a crock of shit. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I know enough to know that countries without dumbass royal families do just fine. And you want to pretend it means something. I've spent plenty of time away from home learning, you don't learn things from idiots in the UK.
we havent all got paint from the same canvas have we?
What works for one country doesnt neccesarily for another!
There are plenty of things that are tradition that don't have a place. For both our countries, at one point, slavery was tradition. And why all of a sudden should it be ended? Because there is never a better time than right now to upright the upended, to fix things that do not work. As a capitalist, I'm surprised you would be in support of something that doesn't make money. And you should never be satisfied with being on the bottom rung of the ladder because someone says so. Think about how hard you work for your money and how you give it away to someone who does nothing for you or anyone. How upside down is a society that values people who do nothing and devalues the working man?
They are still inherently stupid arguments that you are making and I will pick you off whenever I can be bothered...which will be most likely tomorrow when I tuck into this thread proper.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerGood for themQuote:
Originally Posted by milesWhat a crock of shit. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
I know enough to know that countries without dumbass royal families do just fine. And you want to pretend it means something. I've spent plenty of time away from home learning, you don't learn things from idiots in the UK.
we havent all got paint from the same canvas have we?
What works for one country doesnt neccesarily for another!
The problem with getting rid of them means you have to replace them. Right now the Queen does the job of President, she's our official head of state. If you look around at other heads of state, you see the former French prez Mitterand recently was found to have had his hand in the till for hundreds of millions to bring his influence to various legislation, the former president of Germany Kohl pocketed over two billion with a b the same way. The Prez of a third world country like Mexico got caught doing over a hundred mil of crooked lobbying for a Mexican telecom billionaire, that allowed the billionaire to gouge his customers. So the Queen as somebody who OKs legislation but doesn't get involved in it removes an entire layer of corruption from the very top of the country that would otherwise be there.
If we booted the royals tomorrow who would take over? The front runner would be war criminal Tony Blair, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of British soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis so that he'd be guranteed millions in post-number 10 earnings. He's already been caught taking money to lobby for companies in the Middle East through his office as official peace envoy out there. He's a total scumbag, and he'd be the most likely choice had we got an ongoing presidential system. And he's be living in Buckingham Palce too, and it'd still need its roof fixing. Tony wouldn't be paying that bill either.
So yes, they represent the class system and yes, they're originally German/Greek, but they actually save the average Brit money every year and they do bring in the odd tourist or two. Plus you have integrity and class in Buck House representing the country versus a hideous war criminal who should be in a cell in the Hague. No question that on balance they should stay where they are.
No, I don't think we should. Whilst they are largely insignificant for me & I'm no fan, they are both good for economy & more importantly they mean something to a substantial number of British people. So yeah, I believe we should keep them.
Of course we shouldn't abolish the monarchy. It's an absurd idea based on some ridiculous understandings of history.
The monarchy isn't something that the people of Great Britain or an earlier government invented they are the Royal family because they were the rulers of this country for the best part of a 1000 years. All of their historic buildings and palaces are theirs, owned by them not the state.
How can the state abolish them and take away their stuff? It's fucking ridiculous, how would you like it if the state decided to abolish you and gave all your possessions to the state?
It's such a flawed understanding of history it makes me laugh.
Secondly the Royal family is tremendous value for money. They provide a cornerstone and bedrock of traditional British values. I find it remarkable that those who oppose rampant immigration and the growing multicultralism in our nation would vote for removing something that is the very fabric of Britishness.
Overseas we are known for our Royal Family and our castles. Get rid of them and we are known for Eastenders and Coronation Street.
The Queen is our head of state and I will be so bold to say hands down the best Head of State in the world!
Why?
Because she is the only head of state who can occupy from a position of neutrality. It's an amazing thing. She represents Britain itself rather than any political party, religious group or social agenda.
As Kirkland Laing wisely pointed out, who would you replace her with???
Who wants as head of state a politician who represents a party, who may be seen disfavourably by the people. Look at how popular or not Gordon Brown and Tony Blair have been both domestically and abroad.
To some people, in the event of a tragedy for example people would see it as an insult to be met with such a figure representing their countries condolences when many blame them for whatever tragic fate has befallen them.
The queen does FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more for the good of this country than David Beckham or any number of vastly overpaid professional footballers and BBC television presenters.
They are great value for money and one of the few things in this country to be proud of.
Yet because they are not entertainment people resent paying for them, whilst happily handing over £40 a month to Sky, it's fucked up.
Also the Royal Family and the Queen especially is a priceless asset in times of natural disaster and war. We are an afluent nation right now living in peace times but the Royal Family went a long way to keep morale going historically in times of war and disaster. Such a bedrock is NEEDED for a strong civilisation to unite behind.
The last time we abolished the monarchy look how that went. Cromwell was such a cunt he even banned Christmas. When he died the nation rejoiced and immediately invited back Charles II, the son of the king they had beheaded to rule over them once again.
Keep the Royal Family, they are an invaluable asset to this country.
I saw some documentary a while back where they traced the real direct descendant that should be the real King going by pure bloodline.
You have yourself some German ring ins there that got placed into power.
They are sucking us dry please get rid of them.
I knew it wouldn't take you long...Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
How come this country could not exist without the royals? That doesn't make sense. Im not sure they are 'beloved' either.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerThey are to millions the echelons of everything that represents this great countryQuote:
Originally Posted by milesNow is as good a time as any. I suggested earlier that the end of WW2 would have been a good time.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Power? What fookin power? They have none? They are just mouthpieces for what the populace wants to hear.
No they dont neccesary throw their weight around like a dutch monarchy. Far from means they are useless.
Youve spent far too long away from our great isles. Come back to the light and you`ll realise this country cannot exist without our beloved royals
If you believe in equality of opportunity hammer, as im sure you must, then how can you support something that is the living embodiment of INequality?
Don't you realise that the royal family represent the head of the class system?
Don't you realise that this class system is what serves to keep people 'in their place'? In the past the class system made it impossible for certain people, however willing or able they were, to achieve what they were capable of. In the modern day it does not make it impossible, but it still makes it far harder than it should be. It serves to place limits on what heights people can reach, not through fair means such as determination, ability and tenacity, but purely through the circumstances in which a person is BORN into. The class system may have been eroded, but it still exists.
As Miles has said, its not about socialism. For me it is about the simple fact that what a person can achieve in life should be based solely on factors such as ability, determination, tenacity, work ethic. It should NOT be based on the family to which you are born. As i have said, the royal family represent the head of this disgusting system.
Cut off the head and the monster will fall.
It is those that have least that the howls of protest should be loudest from. Sadly, it is those that have least that often are the most loyal. Like a beaten dog faithfully returning to its master.
I know we as men all have our own set of prized crown jewels , but really the London souvenir market would just plummet.
New business idea,
I want one of those dogs that nods its head in the back of the car except with a prince charles head on it, ears and all.
You'd sell heaps, England would be back on its feet in a week.
The monarchy existing does nothing to prevent anybody from a lower class getting on in the world. Quite the opposite in fact. And what little remains of the class system doesn't prevent anybody from getting on either. If you're a bright hard-working person there's never been more opportunity than there is now to get on, much more than even twenty years ago, the existence of the monarchy hasn't prevented that from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanHow come this country could not exist without the royals? That doesn't make sense. Im not sure they are 'beloved' either.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerThey are to millions the echelons of everything that represents this great countryQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
No they dont neccesary throw their weight around like a dutch monarchy. Far from means they are useless.
Youve spent far too long away from our great isles. Come back to the light and you`ll realise this country cannot exist without our beloved royals
If you believe in equality of opportunity hammer, as im sure you must, then how can you support something that is the living embodiment of INequality?
Don't you realise that the royal family represent the head of the class system?
Don't you realise that this class system is what serves to keep people 'in their place'? In the past the class system made it impossible for certain people, however willing or able they were, to achieve what they were capable of. In the modern day it does not make it impossible, but it still makes it far harder than it should be. It serves to place limits on what heights people can reach, not through fair means such as determination, ability and tenacity, but purely through the circumstances in which a person is BORN into. The class system may have been eroded, but it still exists.
As Miles has said, its not about socialism. For me it is about the simple fact that what a person can achieve in life should be based solely on factors such as ability, determination, tenacity, work ethic. It should NOT be based on the family to which you are born. As i have said, the royal family represent the head of this disgusting system.
Cut off the head and the monster will fall.
It is those that have least that the howls of protest should be loudest from. Sadly, it is those that have least that often are the most loyal. Like a beaten dog faithfully returning to its master.
If not abolish them, stop feeding them with peoples and tax money at least. As I stated, I am not necessarily for giving them the booth but it is about time nobody pay for them anymore as they could probably survive without that extra income coming out from peoples pockets who do not always have enough to feed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
The monarchy may not directly prevent anyone from getting on in the world, but in my view it represents the system that STILL does prevent people from progressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe monarchy existing does nothing to prevent anybody from a lower class getting on in the world. Quite the opposite in fact. And what little remains of the class system doesn't prevent anybody from getting on either. If you're a bright hard-working person there's never been more opportunity than there is now to get on, much more than even twenty years ago, the existence of the monarchy hasn't prevented that from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanHow come this country could not exist without the royals? That doesn't make sense. Im not sure they are 'beloved' either.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
If you believe in equality of opportunity hammer, as im sure you must, then how can you support something that is the living embodiment of INequality?
Don't you realise that the royal family represent the head of the class system?
Don't you realise that this class system is what serves to keep people 'in their place'? In the past the class system made it impossible for certain people, however willing or able they were, to achieve what they were capable of. In the modern day it does not make it impossible, but it still makes it far harder than it should be. It serves to place limits on what heights people can reach, not through fair means such as determination, ability and tenacity, but purely through the circumstances in which a person is BORN into. The class system may have been eroded, but it still exists.
As Miles has said, its not about socialism. For me it is about the simple fact that what a person can achieve in life should be based solely on factors such as ability, determination, tenacity, work ethic. It should NOT be based on the family to which you are born. As i have said, the royal family represent the head of this disgusting system.
Cut off the head and the monster will fall.
It is those that have least that the howls of protest should be loudest from. Sadly, it is those that have least that often are the most loyal. Like a beaten dog faithfully returning to its master.
You are right that there is more opportunitys now than ever before. But there still isnt equality of opportunity, only less inequality. I simply believe that the removal of the monarchy will in time help to see the ingrained class system further eroded. Even if it would only make a tiny difference i think it would be worth it as they serve very little purpose. Furthermore, im morally opposed to the idea that anybody is deserving of anything by virtue of 'birth right'. So even if they only cost taxpayers 00000.1p a year for me that would be 00000.1p too much.
I was ranting towards the end because I was imbibing some of Winston Smith's 'Victory Gin'. Very toxic stuff, they call it Soju out here.
Kirkland has a point that there is room for the industrious working classes to get ahead if they try, but that still doesn't excuse having a Royal family as head of the state. They have so much land and wealth and this to me is unseemly. You know for a fact that the Duke of Edinburgh has never boiled a tin of soup in his life and has someone to vacuum each and every one of the rooms he lives in. And all this because of positions of inheritence?
It is wrong. I am of the position that we should all be born as equal to one another as possible, and a monarchy has no place in such a system. For anyone to defend what they represent is beyond me. The Queen should not be on coins either, I would much rather they have someone who has created something and become someone through their own hard work and dedication.
Most of their wealth has come from centuries of taking from society. It doesn't matter that today we only pay them a limited amount, their positions are set in stone and their wealth is so great that it accumulates through careful planning anyway. How many residences does the Royal family need? Who needs all the daft titles that they have?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanThe monarchy may not directly prevent anyone from getting on in the world, but in my view it represents the system that STILL does prevent people from progressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe monarchy existing does nothing to prevent anybody from a lower class getting on in the world. Quite the opposite in fact. And what little remains of the class system doesn't prevent anybody from getting on either. If you're a bright hard-working person there's never been more opportunity than there is now to get on, much more than even twenty years ago, the existence of the monarchy hasn't prevented that from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
You are right that there is more opportunitys now than ever before. But there still isnt equality of opportunity, only less inequality. I simply believe that the removal of the monarchy will in time help to see the ingrained class system further eroded. Even if it would only make a tiny difference i think it would be worth it as they serve very little purpose. Furthermore, im morally opposed to the idea that anybody is deserving of anything by virtue of 'birth right'. So even if they only cost taxpayers 00000.1p a year for me that would be 00000.1p too much.
Any decent member of the Royal family would come out and say "This monarchy system is a joke and a big con and I don't deserve any of it! I am giving all my assets to help provide drinking water to those in Africa who don't have it and I am going to work in the electronics store down the road. Don't hassle me because I just want a normal life". But no, these greedy people living their lives of undeserved oppulence will continue to take and represent all that is fundamentally wrong in any supposedly democratic system. There is no justification for the Royal family.
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Originally Posted by ryanmanThe monarchy may not directly prevent anyone from getting on in the world, but in my view it represents the system that STILL does prevent people from progressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe monarchy existing does nothing to prevent anybody from a lower class getting on in the world. Quite the opposite in fact. And what little remains of the class system doesn't prevent anybody from getting on either. If you're a bright hard-working person there's never been more opportunity than there is now to get on, much more than even twenty years ago, the existence of the monarchy hasn't prevented that from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
You are right that there is more opportunitys now than ever before. But there still isnt equality of opportunity, only less inequality. I simply believe that the removal of the monarchy will in time help to see the ingrained class system further eroded. Even if it would only make a tiny difference i think it would be worth it as they serve very little purpose. Furthermore, im morally opposed to the idea that anybody is deserving of anything by virtue of 'birth right'. So even if they only cost taxpayers 00000.1p a year for me that would be 00000.1p too much.
You seriously believe there would be no class barriers if the royals were to cease to exist?
What about america. They dont live under a monarchy. They still live in divides of rich to middle income to poor a similar situation to ourselves.
Your thinking far too out of the box on this one. Capitalism was thrust upon this country it wasnt manufactured by this hierarchy that people like labour and the lib dems would have you believe!!