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Pretty barbaric imo. :-\
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivstO1Nv0rY
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Pretty barbaric imo. :-\
Gross!!!
I've seen them drop a live cat in boiling water for a few seconds before take it out and start skinning it alive. :(:( dis-fucking-gusting.
It was still crawling about on the slab with no skin it on.
Is it really anymore disgusting/"barbaric" than boiling a live lobster???
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Originally Posted by armin
They have a restaurant
where they eat live monkey brains the poor fucker is under the table with its scull cap removed.
Just saw a video on utube that I wouldnt put in here ,its disgusting too. where they have big trucks full of cages with live cats and dogs packed tight in them ,some with collars on still. These chinese men kick the cages off the top of the trucks and they samsh to the concrete floor some 15 feet down snapping legs and what ever, then they are dragged off by a hook killed when its their turn ,hoked up and skinned and the skins send to some American company to line their jackets on some of their clothing range.
No respect for life and these same clowns have the largest army in the world and will be heading out for another country if not yours, quite soon .
Tasty though.Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
I ate live octopus in a Japanese restaurant once. It was OK, not too much different to dead octopus.
Lobster = overrated, we've been over this. Same family as the cockroach.
I hate the idea of everything eaten or boiled alive, including lobsters or even oysters :(
They're like big shrimps. But they're big, tasty shrimps. And like other seafood they've got bugger all fat or cholesterol so they're meat you can eat and not feel unhealthy about doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Fresh lobster may be the most perfect food imaginable, but I admit it is hypocritical to get freaked out by something like this and then throw a lobster in the pot. Its a perception thing, you throw the lobsters in, put the top on the pot, out of sight out of mind, and move on. Doesn't seem as bad when of course it pretty much is.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThey're like big shrimps. But they're big, tasty shrimps. And like other seafood they've got bugger all fat or cholesterol so they're meat you can eat and not feel unhealthy about doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Bottom feeders.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Eaten alive / instant death, then eaten.
That is pretty revolting. They like to eat still living squid out here. It writhes about on the plate and the tentacles get stuck on the tongue as you try to swallow. I haven't tried it. And then there are the dog farms and the howling of suffering caged dogs about to be hacked to death and then cooked up. The dog farms are illegal, but laws are seldom enforced.
I could watch that guy dive off the sea wall and split his head open like an orange peel all day long but that fish made me feel sick.
The people laughing as they eat it made me feel sick. Sick fucks.
lol what a bunch of pussies.
It's a fish. It has no clue what is happening to it, or cares for that matter. At our camp in the summer we fish before nightfall and bring the fish back, alive, held in a water well to keep them fresh. Then we fillet them right away, which means cutting the meat off the sides and belly, and throw the fish in the lake to awaiting birds. I've seen it countless times, the remainder of the fish still trying to make its getaway with swimming motions in the water before the seagulls swoop in and finish the deal off. zomg!
Why can't you chop it's head off first? Sicko
Cuz it's not how you fillet a fish. Plus it wouldn't be as funny watching the thing swim off clueless to the fact is has no sides or belly. Only to end up bird food.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Why would you not clump it over the head first? How much freshness can it loose in 30 seconds.
Sick bastard.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodCuz it's not how you fillet a fish. Plus it wouldn't be as funny watching the thing swim off clueless to the fact is has no sides or belly. Only to end up bird food.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I can see you trying out that Chinese lark next time.
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Originally Posted by Youngblood
I hope you're having a wind up.
Not at all. It's fairly routine around here and most clean it this way. No biggie. I'm guessing there aren't too many people who fish on the board? We pretty much start as soon as we can walk here. I guess you could smash it over the head if it makes ya feel better, but really, it is any more or less moral sending it still alive that way, but sleeping? lol It has no clue what is going. itza dumb fish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
I hope you're having a wind up.
It might be fairly common round there but so is smashing a pickaxe in to a baby seals face, it doesn't make it right to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodNot at all. It's fairly routine around here and most clean it this way. No biggie. I'm guessing there aren't too many people who fish on the board? We pretty much start as soon as we can walk here. I guess you could smash it over the head if it makes ya feel better, but really, it is any more or less moral sending it still alive that way, but sleeping? lol It has no clue what is going. itza dumb fish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
I hope you're having a wind up.
It has no clue it can't breath? It's a living thing and you are cutting it's flesh away....it may be dumb and unable to discuss Sarte with me but so is half the board but it that dumb not to be under extreme stress.
So where do you draw the line? Is it right to throw a sharp jagged hook into the water and pull it out of its sustainable environment? (or netted pick your method...but now you are suffocating them at the least ) Have you ever fished? Do you ever eat fish?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyIt might be fairly common round there but so is smashing a pickaxe in to a baby seals face, it doesn't make it right to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodNot at all. It's fairly routine around here and most clean it this way. No biggie. I'm guessing there aren't too many people who fish on the board? We pretty much start as soon as we can walk here. I guess you could smash it over the head if it makes ya feel better, but really, it is any more or less moral sending it still alive that way, but sleeping? lol It has no clue what is going. itza dumb fish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
It has no clue it can't breath? It's a living thing and you are cutting it's flesh away....it may be dumb and unable to discuss Sarte with me but so is half the board but it that dumb not to be under extreme stress.
It's just a way of cleaning and eating a food. Not done for the shock value. Even tho it is funny. Unless a person is a vegatarian and has zero meat in their diet, they are basically being a hypocrite imo.
It's just not common for most to see a fish moving like that when eating it, but it surely died some sorta death, quick, slow, gruesome, in one way or another to get to your plate.
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Originally Posted by YoungbloodSo where do you draw the line? Is it right to throw a sharp jagged hook into the water and pull it out of its sustainable environment? (or netted pick your method...but now you are suffocating them at the least ) Have you ever fished? Do you ever eat fish?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyIt might be fairly common round there but so is smashing a pickaxe in to a baby seals face, it doesn't make it right to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
It has no clue it can't breath? It's a living thing and you are cutting it's flesh away....it may be dumb and unable to discuss Sarte with me but so is half the board but it that dumb not to be under extreme stress.
It's just a way of cleaning and eating a food. Not done for the shock value. Even tho it is funny. Unless a person is a vegatarian and has zero meat in their diet, they are basically being a hypocrite imo.
It's just not common for most to see a fish moving like that when eating it, but it surely died some sorta death, quick, slow, gruesome, in one way or another to get to your plate.
You called?
Over many years ive come to the conclusion that chinese and japanese people are f*cking crazy
Lovely people to be around, very humble - but if your not human and can be eaten your completely fuked living over there ;D;D;D
That's a a fair point, and the only argueble point really. Anyone else is basically just showing squimishness at the original vid because it seems foreign to them. Fish really have no clue what is happening to them, so this negates cruelty to me when it is just a means of bringing it to the table which is an inevitability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I don't think an arguement can even be made that it was done for entertainment purposes by anyone. (even tho to me it is funny, much like our swimming away half cut up) It's a way of eating it fresh imo. And fresh is tastier, usually healthier.
It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible. Some people wouldn't/don't eat meat unless they know where it's come from and how it's been snuffed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodSo where do you draw the line? Is it right to throw a sharp jagged hook into the water and pull it out of its sustainable environment? (or netted pick your method...but now you are suffocating them at the least ) Have you ever fished? Do you ever eat fish?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyIt might be fairly common round there but so is smashing a pickaxe in to a baby seals face, it doesn't make it right to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
It has no clue it can't breath? It's a living thing and you are cutting it's flesh away....it may be dumb and unable to discuss Sarte with me but so is half the board but it that dumb not to be under extreme stress.
It's just a way of cleaning and eating a food. Not done for the shock value. Even tho it is funny. Unless a person is a vegatarian and has zero meat in their diet, they are basically being a hypocrite imo.
It's just not common for most to see a fish moving like that when eating it, but it surely died some sorta death, quick, slow, gruesome, in one way or another to get to your plate.
It doesn't matter what the animal is, if you are laughing at it's misery I would personally find that weird/wrong (unless it was HTH getting tortured).
What exactly is humanely? (I'll get back to this point) Do you know what is worse, to die by being slowly suffocated of oxygen, or thrown alive into hot oil? I imagine you have an opinion, but actually don't. They are both barbaric to happen to a human, correct? (It actually mean as humanly as possibly, or manner, the word, it doesn't mean delicate in nature, or less cruel)Quote:
It's not hypocritical to want to see the thing killed as humanely as possible.
And this is where humanly comes in further. We tend to look at things and consider if they were happening to us. But they aren't. This fish has no idea what is going on, it has no conscience. I could see if the fish was somehow lacking in nutritional value being cooked this way for entertainment...then I might say, well, that is stupid, why do that? But this isn't. It is the opposite. You're all just seeing what happens to your food. it dies, gets killed. I suspect it is everyone's deep-seeded shame working in overdrive here along with squeamishness, for if you like or ever ate fish and chips, you played a part as bad as these folks.
Is it an accident that fish (those strong enough to put up a fight) dive for whatever is growing in the river/lake and twist around it? Or that some throw themselves out of the water?
They know they've been caught, they know what to do to improve their chances of escape, and Im pretty sure they know they only have a head and a tail left when your camp mob have finished with them.
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Originally Posted by Youngblood
Agree completely
I rank people who needlesly harm both human and animals up there with child rapists and nonces.
Guys that throw pets off of cliffs exterminating a life just for a few seconds of fun, torturing a harmless creature just for your own personal pleasure knowing full well they cant tell you there in pain only cry for help.
I dont watch these kind of videos because theres a very evil, sinister element to them and i just dont find seeing something as lifeless as a fish being slowly killed in the most painful of ways amusing!!
You take the fish from the water you have control over it's life. You kill it quick putting it out of its misery or you take delight in watching its misery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
One is the humane, kind thing I would expect of someone the other is weird to me. Simple as.
Which brings me back to my point. How did your fish and chips meal die? Did it get dragged in a huge net into a boat and slowly suffocate? Most likely. Is this less traumatic on the fish then going straight into the oil? Either way it is getting to the oil. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I admire a person who actually goes out and gets/hunts and eats their own food, over a person who shops for theirs. Atleast they are assuming some responsibility for the act.
Memphis, while we can argue the scientific basis of consciousness in lower intelligence species, fish, spiders, etc., ( I argue that the fish doesn't know his sides are cut out, and is only reacting to it happening) this here, the peoples reactions, everyone in this thread who feels it is cruel, I again suggest it is shame driving it. And squeamishness. Plus a bit of the unknown, largely cultural differences.
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Originally Posted by YoungbloodWhich brings me back to my point. How did your fish and chips meal die? Did it get dragged in a huge net into a boat and slowly suffocate? Most likely. Is this less traumatic on the fish then going straight into the oil? Either way it is getting to the oil. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I admire a person who actually goes out and gets/hunts and eats their own food, over a person who shops for theirs. Atleast they are assuming some responsibility for the act.
Memphis, while we can argue the scientific basis of consciousness in lower intelligence species, fish, spiders, etc., ( I argue that the fish doesn't know his sides are cut out, and is only reacting to it happening) this here, the peoples reactions, everyone in this thread who feels it is cruel, I again suggest it is shame driving it. And squeamishness. Plus a bit of the unknown, largely cultural differences.
Which is reacting to getting its side sliced off!
Becoming Conscious About Fish Conscience
I have absolutely no problem with people killing and eating their own food. I understand about mass caught fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodWhich brings me back to my point. How did your fish and chips meal die? Did it get dragged in a huge net into a boat and slowly suffocate? Most likely. Is this less traumatic on the fish then going straight into the oil? Either way it is getting to the oil. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I admire a person who actually goes out and gets/hunts and eats their own food, over a person who shops for theirs. Atleast they are assuming some responsibility for the act.
Memphis, while we can argue the scientific basis of consciousness in lower intelligence species, fish, spiders, etc., ( I argue that the fish doesn't know his sides are cut out, and is only reacting to it happening) this here, the peoples reactions, everyone in this thread who feels it is cruel, I again suggest it is shame driving it. And squeamishness. Plus a bit of the unknown, largely cultural differences.
My point is about the actions of the human. I don't understand why you would take delight in watching something die in a horrible way. Whether it's eating it alive or chucking it still living back into a lake.
I'm not saying you're a bad person. You grew up fishing. We come from completely different environments. What you find funny I find weird. That's all ;)
Right. I am sure you are aware, the science field is fairly divided in where consciousness begins and ends in lower level intelligence species.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Basically, we feel a need to put the bar somewhere, as we humanize things, using ourselves as the ultimate example of consciousness. The complete lesser being a single cell of life.
If it wasn't completely impossible to sustain life without some form of nutrition, I bet there'd be anti-vegetarians too. But we can't, can we. That would essentially make us anti-food. And our species couldn't exist. So atleast we aren't that shameful of ourselves. "Don't eat the plants! They're alive!"
That's my point, really. Most (the meat eaters) are reacting to this vid based on cultural differences. To see your food still be alive and be eating it, is, well, strange for most of us. I wouldn't like it myself, but I am trying to understand it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I agree with every single word of this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster