Hey guys, Im new to this (obviously) so forgive me is this thread had already been posted at some stage.
With all this talk about Pac at Welter, just wanting to know who you guys think would win in a fight between these two at 140 lbs, how and why?
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Hey guys, Im new to this (obviously) so forgive me is this thread had already been posted at some stage.
With all this talk about Pac at Welter, just wanting to know who you guys think would win in a fight between these two at 140 lbs, how and why?
This has already been discussed before when Pac beat Hatton. But maybe there has been a change of mind after the Cotto fight.
Id have to go with pacman , Vince Phillips beat a prime Kostya , and PAC is lightyears ahead of that.
Kostya was not at his best in that fight, he had issues outside the ring. But to say that because Phillips beat Kostya then Kostya would of lost to pac is kinda unfair because they were different styles. Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? ;D I think of Kostya as a more powerful JMM and i think he would of given pac hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? ;D .[/quote]
Yeh that's what I was thinking, and Tszyu was no slouch at 140lbs, arguably even a kingpin at that weight at some stage. Hence my wondering of how Pac would go against him.
I really don't know on this one, I'd like to say Tszyu, but I don't know!
The obvious answer is Pac after his recent victories, but Kostya would have a punchers chance. If KT could use his timing to catch Pac early he could get on top but the longer the fight went without that happening the more it'd go in Manny's favour.
Man, that would fight would be explosive. This is a knockout for sure. I would lean towards Pac but you can't let Tszyu hit you square because anyone of those overhand rights could put a 154 pounder out. So I would bet on Pac but I wouldn't be surprised if Tszyu took him out.
YAY!! Another Pac thread. ;D I'm so happy I could cry :eek:
It ok missy your not that old ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Oh you meant about the pac thread :-X
Well...at this point...does it really matter what kind of hypothetical fight we put Pac in...some people on this board probably think he could beat Roy Jones or maybe even Mike Tyson. Anyways, back to the original topic. This would have been a great fight. Tszyu did great against boxers...not as good against pressure fighters. That being said...Tszyu, in my humble opinion, is as good as any 140 pounder to ever fight. He had fantastic skills, incredible timing, and of course...KO power. Pac for all of his improvements...still gets hit a ton. That, and the fact that Tszyu was great against lefties...i would have Kotsya as the favorite. One of my personal dream match ups would have been Tszyu vs. Mayweather.
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Originally Posted by ilovebruceleeIt ok missy your not that old ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Oh you meant about the pac thread :-X
nah, that would be I'm so happy you can't knock the grin off my face.
I re-name you strikeout. :p
I would lean towards Kostya by Ko early but i wouldn't count Pac out for a late stoppage but overall im going with Kostya
Very true, good point about knocking out many fast southpaws. Kostya was an ATG in my opinion. It's a pitty he went to England to fight Hatton where he lost a wresting match complete with elbows and all. Even that old Kostya could've beaten the 'hitman' in a fair boxing match.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovebruceleeKostya was not at his best in that fight, he had issues outside the ring. But to say that because Phillips beat Kostya then Kostya would of lost to pac is kinda unfair because they were different styles. Kostya had a tendency to knock out fast southpaws, anyone notice that? ;D I think of Kostya as a more powerful JMM and i think he would of given pac hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Real difficult fight to predict 10 out of 10 times. Tszyu has lots of pop and he knew he wasn't that fast so he worked on his timing counter punching and always tried to exploit his opponents mistakes. Theres no doubt, he'd have a plan against Manny.
Manny on the other hand, has speed and power and better movement than Kostya and would probably be one of the few guys that wasn't dwarfed by Tszyu in terms of power. Hes also got a good trainer that would no doubt have a plan to exploit some mistakes by Tszyu.
I'd be leaning towards Manny at this point, because i dont know if Tszyu had every faced that kind of offensive pressure and speed at the same time. Judah did well early in the first using his speed before Tszyu turned him into jelly. Hatton's pressure and swarming over a whole fight took its toll on Tszyu even if you discount the punches to the cup every few rounds. Manny seems to be able to take a decent shot and unless Tszyu drops Manny with one shot and lays him out, i would put my money on Freddie changing the plan and turning it into a whole different fight. I think the odds are with Manny, but if he deviated from the plan to test Tszyus power like he did with Cotto, it could've be the biggest mistake he ever made.
i think this fight could go either way. kostya in his prime had great speed along with power so pacquiao would have had his hands full.
HAHAHA i was thinking more like a name that was more appropriate ...cockblocked ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovebruceleeIt ok missy your not that old ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Oh you meant about the pac thread :-X
nah, that would be I'm so happy you can't knock the grin off my face.
I re-name you strikeout. :p
This would be an amazing fight. I think at this point I would edge Pacquaio. Too quick for Tszyu.
Tszyu would stop Manny Pac who would be eating big right hands all day. Kostya was a master boxer puncher and his timing was exceptional.
one good fighter and one great fighter here IMO but an interesting styles clash and Tyszu's right hand would always be dangerous. Still would have to favor Manny. Too much speed, power, punch variety.
Style wise this is a good match up for Kostya Tszyu, if you allowed Kostya Tszyu mid-distance range where he could time you with his power shots. And lets face it Kostya Tszyu had excellent timing, he was very effective.
Fighters who smothered him, and didn't allow him room to get punching distance. He struggled against forgetting if he was past his prime or not right in this fight or that fight, he still had trouble with that type of opponent end of.
Now Manny Pacquiao does fight at mid-distance, which would give Kostya Tyszu a chance. It really would depend on how well Manny Pacquiao could take the shots. But IMO its a close match up i think style wise its winnable for Kostya Tszyu, but it really could go either way.
I'd pick Tszyu if we are talking absolute prime, he fought a lot of slick, fast boxers and timed them with the right everytime. It's easy to forget how fast Tszyu was in his younger days also check out the mid to late parts of this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqLhPutAl6Y
Manny is a freak though and looks terrific lately so who knows. Be a great fight though.
Their might understandably be a rush to side with Manny,bit of what have you done for me lately.Can see his hand speed giving Tszyu problems but Kostya was a very solidly grounded fighter with deceptive reflex and awesome punch selection.
Dont see the southpaw factor in play,Tzsyu faced many slick and capable leftys with good results though none as imposing and forward willing as Manny.The Phillips factor is always hung on Kostya and with cause.But it was totally different circumstances and styles.Manny had the speed,freshness,flat out skills but punch for punch (lead hand)and maybe......maybe chin...I dont see Manny along side Phillips at all.Phillips had a hellacious right hand.Phillips was basically being well overlooked off loss going into that fight and outside the ring drug-legal problems prior.Kostya may have been reading headlines prematurely with looming Oscar fight.For Manny he would be 100 % focused and geared up.Manny can be found coming in and Tszyu was very deceptive with that lean back and fire style but cannot get passed Pacs speed and huge confidence...dude savors a battle,lives for it.Kostya would give him all he could handle and can see him hurting Manny big time.I lean ever so slightly with a primed and lean Kostya but he gets smacked around early.
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Originally Posted by Master
And Tszyu will eat explosive left hand blow by Pacquiao. Oh let me clear. Left and Right COMBOS and BARRAGE!
Pacquiao will beat Tszyu EASY. Pacquiao loves contact toe to toe. Nobody beats him if you trade punches. ;D
How early the fruit is falling this season:rolleyes: Anyone who thinks Tszyu would be beaten easily by Pacquiao is misguided in their beliefs. If Marquez could land some solid shots and controversially lose two close fights with Pacquiao then Tszyu would do a lot better than he did. I still believe that Mayweather was darn lucky he didn't fight Tszyu. Did anyone ever notice that whenever Mayweather talked about Tszyu it was with reverence and not his usual dissing self?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Master
And Tszyu will eat explosive left hand blow by Pacquiao. Oh let me clear. Left and Right COMBOS and BARRAGE!
Pacquiao will beat Tszyu EASY. Pacquiao loves contact toe to toe. Nobody beats him if you trade punches. ;D
Yeah Floyd saw the risk in Tszyu and stayed away while Tszyu just fought the best he could...just like Pac is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANHow early the fruit is falling this season:rolleyes: Anyone who thinks Tszyu would be beaten easily by Pacquiao is misguided in their beliefs. If Marquez could land some solid shots and controversially lose two close fights with Pacquiao then Tszyu would do a lot better than he did. I still believe that Mayweather was darn lucky he didn't fight Tszyu. Did anyone ever notice that whenever Mayweather talked about Tszyu it was with reverence and not his usual dissing self?Quote:
Originally Posted by IntazzzQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
And Tszyu will eat explosive left hand blow by Pacquiao. Oh let me clear. Left and Right COMBOS and BARRAGE!
Pacquiao will beat Tszyu EASY. Pacquiao loves contact toe to toe. Nobody beats him if you trade punches. ;D
Yeh that's what I was thinking, and Tszyu was no slouch at 140lbs, arguably even a kingpin at that weight at some stage. Hence my wondering of how Pac would go against him.[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Themantonio
I don't think it would be a walkover for Manny in anyway because Tszyu was first class hit hard and was tough but even though Kostya did do well against fast southpaws he also was not the quickest fighter out there, I think the speed would be too much for Kostya as it seems to be with most of Pacquiao's recent opponents.
You never know though because Kostya had the ability to end things with one punch and Manny would be no exception to the rule
Thats because if you talk trash about Tszyu he starts talking about how wonderful it is to have children and gives you speeches that make you think about life, and procedes to knock you out in about 3 rounds after that :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANHow early the fruit is falling this season:rolleyes: Anyone who thinks Tszyu would be beaten easily by Pacquiao is misguided in their beliefs. If Marquez could land some solid shots and controversially lose two close fights with Pacquiao then Tszyu would do a lot better than he did. I still believe that Mayweather was darn lucky he didn't fight Tszyu. Did anyone ever notice that whenever Mayweather talked about Tszyu it was with reverence and not his usual dissing self?Quote:
Originally Posted by IntazzzQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
And Tszyu will eat explosive left hand blow by Pacquiao. Oh let me clear. Left and Right COMBOS and BARRAGE!
Pacquiao will beat Tszyu EASY. Pacquiao loves contact toe to toe. Nobody beats him if you trade punches. ;D
i dont think pacquiao would have any problem with tszyu
Pac was absorbing Left hooks, uppercuts and right hands from a Miguel Cotto at 145.
With that. Every decent 130 to 147 lb fighter beats Pacquiao in a fantasy fight. ;)
You cannot compare Cotto's power to Tszyu. Cotto has never been a one shot KO puncher. Tszyu on the other hand had devastating power...and weight has nothing to do with it. Some fighters just possess that pop on their punches that puts their opponents on their backs...and Kotsya had that. But more than that...Tszyu was just a flat out great boxer. Great skills, fantastic timing, and very intelligent. I know we are all supposed to be on full tilt worship Manny mode...but with all due respect...Cotto was no Tszyu and neither was a shot Oscar or Hatton. Third Man, good point about Mayweather's reverence for Tszyu. It shows you that even one of the biggest trash talkers in the sport had respect for Tszyu.