Lucian Bute, crushed Andrade and he proved that is the best boxer on his category. Bring a real fighter for this fantastic Romanian boy!!!:)
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Lucian Bute, crushed Andrade and he proved that is the best boxer on his category. Bring a real fighter for this fantastic Romanian boy!!!:)
Royal switched fighters perhaps?
Lucian Bute is a really easy guy to like and he's a pretty entertaining fighter, it's really a shame that he isn't in the Super 6 because he would do really well. I'm still not sure he's the best boxer in the category but he's pretty fckin good, he was super-impressive tonight. How can anyone say there is talent lacking in this division?
Andre Ward
Arthur Abraham
Mikkel Kessler
Andre Dirrell
Lucian Bute
I'd say Ward is the top guy in the division and I'd also say that Bute has a VERY strong claim to the number 2 spot. He was hit more then you would like tonight and sometimes cleanly, but he moved very well and he is probably the division's most accurate puncher. Good performance by Bute I'm surprised more aren't talking about it.
Yep brilliant performance from Bute!!! I agree its a shame he's not part of the Super Six. He can clean out the rest of 168 while awaiting the winner to emerge though, fights against the Stieglitz/ Miranda winner, Green or Bika would be entertaining as would a step up to face PascalQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
Well, beating Andrade doesn't prove that anyone is the best 168 pounder. Bute has an argument but the super middleweight division is probably the deepest in boxing so it would take more than 1 win, let alone over a fringe contender, to prove the best of the 168s.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossoblu
So Bute gets knocked out by Andrade, then he rebounds, and knocks Andrade out;and that some how makes him the best in the division?
He's not yet the best but has a tremendous potential to show he can be among the top 3-4. Now he has to beat at least 2 of the 6 men tournament and we'll have an excellent overview of his real potential. PErsonally, I think and hope he'll make it but he has a bit more to prove. He started yesterday with a good leap forward but there is more to bring to the table, he can do it, now he must go on forward. The next step is apparently a showdown with Kelly Pavlik, which would be brilliant for his shining in the US. Then, possibly Froch, Dirrell or Ward (I think), but one step at the time.
Oh please he whooped Librado Andrade last time, and won 10 rounds out of 12. He made a mistake by trading in the last round which almost cost him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
But it didn't he got up at the count of 8, the time in the round was over, so all Lucian Bute had to do was respond to the ref which he did. So i fail to see how he was KO'ed.
But honestly stop being a hater, and just give the man his due. Im a big fan of Lucian Bute and i have been for awhile. And i have been telling people he is the darkhorse of the division for ages, knocking out an iron chinned fighter like Librado Andrade in 4 rounds is super impressive.
And its impressive that he wanted to erase any question marks, by taking on the rematch so props to him for that.
I've also been impressed with how he destroyed, Fulgencio Zungia. This is the same fighter that floored Kelly Pavlik, and was never off his feet vs Kelly Pavlik, yet Lucian Bute destroyed him in 4 rounds.
Or how he beat Sakio Bika easier than anyone else has, including Joe Calzaghe. Or stopping Kabary Salem a fighter who floored Joe Calzaghe heavily, and went 12 rounds with him.
If you actually dig a bit deeper into his record, you'd realise its not a bad record at all. And he's been taking on good competition quite early on in his career.
What Bute did last night was progress. It was the thing he needed to do to move to the next level. The one aspect of Bute's game he needed to work on was finishing and closing a fight out once he breaks a fighter down. I had no idea if he was totally capable of it against a fighter would can take a lot of punishment, and in his own right finish a fight strong. Who can close it out hard and fast.
This was the part of Bute's game he most needed to focus on, as his speed and punch accurancy is quite high. I have little doubt it was a part of his teams preparation for this fight and they should be very happy with the results.
Bute is impressive to say the least I have been singing this guys praises for a while now, last night he showed he can not only win against top rated opp but dominate them as well!!!!
Though I am not sure he is the best in the SMW division but with all the talent floating around 168 just to be one of the top 3 is saying something.
I still have to say AA is the best SMW right now, IMO he is the most talented but hey I could be wrong, I guess that what the Super Six is hoping to tell us right?
Who would have ever thought the SMW division would ever be the hottest in boxing:confused:
AA vs. Bute would be an awsome fight. In fact Bute vs. anyone in the tourney would be awsome. He would be hard to contend with. His body shots remind me of those thrown by Micky Ward, except Ward's were thrown as hooks, while Bute's pop staight in. This is the secon time I have seen him wax someone with such a shot. Ouch!
HBO is pushing hard for him to fight Pavlik in 2010. Since it seem Pavlik is not fighting Paul Willaims anytime soon (which sucks) I wouldn't be suprised to see it before the summer.
I don't think Jermain Taylor is dropping out of the Super 6 anyways. So Bute isn't getting in (which sucks) but I heard Allan Green is the first sub anyways.
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Originally Posted by ICBOh please he whooped Librado Andrade last time, and won 10 rounds out of 12. He made a mistake by trading in the last round which almost cost him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
But it didn't he got up at the count of 8, the time in the round was over, so all Lucian Bute had to do was respond to the ref which he did. So i fail to see how he was KO'ed.
So with you and Marlin Wright, that makes two people that think Bute won the first fight.
The rule is that you have to be standing, un-aided, before the count reaches 10. WHile Bute was on his feat at 8, he was wobbling against the ropes. (Meldrick Taylor looked in better condition them him) Andrande was robbed of the knockout he deserved.
And I know that Bute has nothing to do with this corruption, but you cant go around calling him the best in the division for splitting a pair of fights with a low-top 10 fighter.
....and he walked to the ring to U2 :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
I had no opinion of Bute before the ring walk but hearing U2 I immediately wanted to see him destroyed and this will continue
I agree Lyle it's much more cool to be a fan of " THE DARKNESS "Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle....and he walked to the ring to U2 :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
I had no opinion of Bute before the ring walk but hearing U2 I immediately wanted to see him destroyed and this will continue
Well obviously....Bono is a world class douchebag and usually people don't have much of an opinion about The Darkness.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
At least The Darkness didn't take themselves seriously, that's part of the reason why I like them. They didn't try to get any kind of political message out or anything, they just played their music with a lot of energy.
He might be the best but we can’t say it yet. I’m curious how he would compete with faster fighters like Ward or Dirrell. I agree with Amat he’s the most accurate puncher of SM division and the variety of his punch arsenal is top quality.
as great as bute is i think andre ward is the cream of the crop at super middleweight. a star was born last week in ward and i would be surprised if he doesn't win the super six tournament!
You don't get called the best in the division by beating the most limited of a good bunch.
Kessler did the same and look what happened to him... It was a good win, but the lesson has been learned.
That body shot was the s:censored:
Ward still wrecks this cat
But the dude is good:thumb:
Actually I think he would give Ward the toughest fight in the division, including Abraham. I'd pick Ward to win but no doubt he has the tools to potentially box with Ward and do very well for himself. That would be a really good fight, something potentially to look forward to in 2012 when this tournament is hopefully over.
Bute might have moved on by thenQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
Or up
Abraham rains on his ass
Ward wrecks him
Good fights to see:thumb:
Bute hits at least as hard as Abraham an is faster. Can he cope with pressure and Abraham's high guard? it is to be seen. as for Ward, both are very fast, it would be a very very good fight to see actually and I am certain that we'll see Lucian against either of these guys in a close PPV from home in a near future somewhere in 2010 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonBute might have moved on by thenQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
Or up
Abraham rains on his ass
Ward wrecks him
Good fights to see:thumb:
He would have a shot versus Abraham, definitely. Abraham is going to simply get outmoved and outhustled one of these days in much the same fashion as Kessler. Unlike Kessler though Abraham is just a bundle of explosive power and when he opens up and 'uncoils' as Al Bernstein said, he's dangerous whether he lands or not. However just like Kessler he isn't a great mover, he doesn't fight on the inside and he fights off his heels. We'll know a great deal more about Abraham in the Dirrell fight imo. Taylor just doesn't have enough offensive weaponry at this point to keep Abraham off him, just the same repetitive attack over and over. Dirrell should mix it up at times and if he can avoid being KO'd, I give him a very good shot at the scorecards, especially in the States.
Well Ward and Abraham both factor into the second round of the tournament which is the best money they can get, they should be tied up past 2010. Also it's pretty hard to say Bute hits as hard as Abraham, I don't believe that he is just a clean accurate puncher, not a pure power puncher like Abraham has developed into.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute hits at least as hard as Abraham an is faster. Can he cope with pressure and Abraham's high guard? it is to be seen. as for Ward, both are very fast, it would be a very very good fight to see actually and I am certain that we'll see Lucian against either of these guys in a close PPV from home in a near future somewhere in 2010 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleonBute might have moved on by thenQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
Or up
Abraham rains on his ass
Ward wrecks him
Good fights to see:thumb:
Look how he floored Zuniga, Andrade or even the normally very durable Egyptian Magician Kabari Salem, Bute hits like a truck, 2 of the fights he did could have ended up via K.O but he had problem at the time and made him fight with more padded gloves (from what I recall from the interviews). If he doesn't hit as hard as Abraham, I promise you he's in the same league of hitter without the shadow of a doubt. 25 fights, 20 K.O against some tough mofo's, that's quite good actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatWell Ward and Abraham both factor into the second round of the tournament which is the best money they can get, they should be tied up past 2010. Also it's pretty hard to say Bute hits as hard as Abraham, I don't believe that he is just a clean accurate puncher, not a pure power puncher like Abraham has developed into.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessBute hits at least as hard as Abraham an is faster. Can he cope with pressure and Abraham's high guard? it is to be seen. as for Ward, both are very fast, it would be a very very good fight to see actually and I am certain that we'll see Lucian against either of these guys in a close PPV from home in a near future somewhere in 2010 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleon
I think Dirrell even schools Bute
Bute was great against the limited Andrade:o
But Ward, Abraham & Dirrell
Present a totally different puzzle to solve:dontknow:
I think you underrate him a bit too much. He could lose to them, why not, but getting schooled? I highly doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleon
Maybe but-Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI think you underrate him a bit too much. He could lose to them, why not, but getting schooled? I highly doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleon
Dirrell is pretty slick though
Ward is even better
Abraham is a beast
I'm a Bute fan and have been long before this fight. I won't be jumping on the best in division train or trying to argue such a point. He's proven he has something people thought he didn't, the ability to close out a fight with power. He's got a ways to go yet and a hell of a tough division to get through before he can be considered the best in it. Time will tell but I like what I see.
Bute also has a dominant win over Sakio Bika, another top ten fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance UppercutQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBOh please he whooped Librado Andrade last time, and won 10 rounds out of 12. He made a mistake by trading in the last round which almost cost him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
But it didn't he got up at the count of 8, the time in the round was over, so all Lucian Bute had to do was respond to the ref which he did. So i fail to see how he was KO'ed.
So with you and Marlin Wright, that makes two people that think Bute won the first fight.
The rule is that you have to be standing, un-aided, before the count reaches 10. WHile Bute was on his feat at 8, he was wobbling against the ropes. (Meldrick Taylor looked in better condition them him) Andrande was robbed of the knockout he deserved.
And I know that Bute has nothing to do with this corruption, but you cant go around calling him the best in the division for splitting a pair of fights with a low-top 10 fighter.
Other than in Andrade I, which I attribute to fatigue and a lapse in judgment, has Bute ever been down?