If you want to hate on Calzaghe do it in this thread rather than taking over someone elses lol ;D
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If you want to hate on Calzaghe do it in this thread rather than taking over someone elses lol ;D
I wouldnt say anything against the the Welsh Dragon . ;D
I thoroughly dislike his hairstyle.
Or would I ? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
As i said earlier
Jeff Lacy
Just were never that good as shown by Vitali Tsypko twice Omar Sheika,Peter Manfredo,Epifanio Mendoza, Jermain i can no longer stay upright Taylor,Otis Griffin and Roy Jones.
Mikkel Kessler
I thought was a good win till Andre Ward did alot better job.
Bernard Hopkins
Who i thought won as do many others.
Roy Jones
Well Danny Green proved how shot Roy was and lets bare in mind Roy dropped Calzaghe heavy in the 1st round.
Thing is with Calzaghe he came along at the right or wrong time Eubank,Benn and Collins were past it or retired Jones and Toney had out grown the Super middleweight division and no matter how many times Calzaghe said he struggled at the weight mainly after boring points wins he never moved up till it was to late and against old fighters past there best.
He pulled out of good fights or didnt sign for whatever reason even Frank Warren has said this about him that he pulled out of about 10 fights he lined him up. Like Antwun Echols, Syd Vanderpool, Glen Johnson and many more.
I think the 46-0 blinds a lot of people come on shoot me down. ;);D
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Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Pretty much agree GAV.
Fuck me, have you got nothing better to do??
Yes lots to do but this is more fun ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by gudnite vienna
Why talked about hate regarding Calzaghe
he's done what he's done, he's a living legend in his weight class.
Wonder who changed my title bet it was MR FACT.
I only did this as people start there own thread then it gets taken over by hate for Calzaghe and we drift away from the threads original point.
You're not as stupid as you look. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
haha, good work Fenster!
;D
I had Calzaghe as the #1 p4p guy when he retired. No one knew how one dimensional Lacy was until Calzaghe took the chance and exposed him. But you can't excuse some of the things people gripe about Calzaghe's career. He did pull out of many fights that would've been interesting/challenging. Namely, Glen Johnson twice. He never left 168 until very late. Trouble dragging him out of his backyard. There are many rightful gripes but you can't deny that Calzaghe was some talent.
I never cared much for Calzaghe or his horrible trainer/father....but Ricky Hatton should have followed in Joe's career path. Go from Kostya Tszyu to Sharmba Mitchell to Erik Morales to Marco Antonio Barerra to a couple more old fuckers at 147 and then retire undefeated.
If Ottke, Calzaghe, or Michalczweski had the stones to come to the US to fight RJJ in the late 90's early 2000's then they would have had the shit beaten right out of them and hell even OLD Roy and OLD Hopkins gave a PRIME Joe Calzaghe trouble.
It must be a hollow feeling being "the best" just because you never dared to take a live challenge....oh well, I'm sure this will just go down as me hating on the Brits but like I give a fuck ;)
Calzaghe was extremely talented but he never tested himself....I don't mean to seem 100% one sided but it kind of pisses me off when he had the chance to fight RJJ and Hopkins at various points in his career and never did it until late and RJJ and Hopkins piss me off because they had chances to take on bigger fish but waited too long too, although Roy did fight better competition than Hopkins and Hopkins fought better competition than Calzaghe.
F**k me, he beat everyone put in front of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You keep saying he waited till Jones and hopkins were too old, Joe was only 3-4 years younger, all thats doing is making excuces for Roy and the like. Much like people do with muhummad ali late in his career, getting beaten by allcomers. If Roy jones and the other boys were too old, then they shouldn't of gotten in the ring.
NO EXCUSES!!!!!
big Joe is the man, undefeated man that is
Lyle, you know Calzaghe was not exactly in his prime when he fought Jones and Hopkins. You know enough about boxing and Calzaghe to know that. You are making a populist statement in the hope its convinces a few more people. But i don't think you yourself believe the 36 year old Calzaghe that took on them two was 'prime'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He was far closer to his prime than Jones or Hopkins tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanLyle, you know Calzaghe was not exactly in his prime when he fought Jones and Hopkins. You know enough about boxing and Calzaghe to know that. You are making a populist statement in the hope its convinces a few more people. But i don't think you yourself believe the 36 year old Calzaghe that took on them two was 'prime'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Yes its a fartial argument , " who was more shot at that point " , fact is Calzaghe never fought any of his rivals for what ever reason , and waited until Jones etc had been beaten before.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleHe was far closer to his prime than Jones or Hopkins tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanLyle, you know Calzaghe was not exactly in his prime when he fought Jones and Hopkins. You know enough about boxing and Calzaghe to know that. You are making a populist statement in the hope its convinces a few more people. But i don't think you yourself believe the 36 year old Calzaghe that took on them two was 'prime'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Lacy a bum , Kessler one dimentional , both of those are proven facts.
Right us haters always produce facts of why Calzaghe just weren't that good as in opponents he faced and opponents he didn't face and how meaningless most of his title defences were so come on Calzaghe fans give us the facts of why he was so good.
;D He was obviously a talented fighter. Jeff Lacy is the killer. That was a huge fight, a giant fight that a huge number of people (myself included) thought Calzaghe would win and he did. I think he wasted his career up to that point fighting people we didn't care about. Calzaghe to me was always kind of like Felix Sturm is now except undefeated of course. I had only seen a couple of his fights broadcast by Showtime, the rest I had to download online when I began getting into boxing a little more. So undefeated is great, but there's a reason he never entered the P4P rankings until after the Lacy win. Discredit that win if you may, taking a fighters 0 is no small feat, it shouldn't be to discredited if they lose later. Especially Kessler, I never thought he would fight Kessler and actually gained a fair bit of respect for him for fighting, and beating Kessler. I did think he would win though.
Against Hopkins, showed he was a really good fighter with his own unique skillset and matched up pretty well versus an ATG. I thought he lost ;D
Against Jones, like OumaFan said, easiest fight to predict ever. I did go apeshit when he got floored though but like 30 seconds later I realized it wasn't going to matter.
I will say my dislike for Calzaghe spiked to record highs before the Hopkins fight when he and his even more annoying dad kept going on about him punching 9 times in a second, I think Sal might have made a video on that ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULYc80ml7Sc
lmfao funniest shit of all time, how can anyone be a fan of that guy? ;D
Come on then i'll entertain you. Here's why your argument is complete crap...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Lacy - unbeaten, no.2 Ring rated, IBF champion when Calzaghe slaughtered him. He was not the exposed guy you falsely claim him to be. Fact.
Kessler - unbeaten, no.1 Ring rated, WBC/WBA champion when Calzaghe schooled him. He was not the guy with a loss to Andre Ward. Fact.
Hopkins - P4P no.3, Linear/Ring lightheavyweight champion when Calzaghe beat him. Fact.
Roy - past his pomp legend. Fact. Here's something interesting though, 36% of Saddo voters picked Jones to win - including a certain Mr Tysonbruno and Dark Lord Al. Fact.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...l-win-why.html
Haters.. I've shit em. ;)
Lyle, Joe wasn't in his prime by the time he fought Hopkins.
He probably wasn't a fighter in his prime when he fought Evans Ashira... He's hand problems have been rife and his power has suffered GREATLY since around 2005.
The man put Eubank on his arse; he had power ;)
ANOTHER overrated Brit :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
RJJ post 2003 was not a top level fighter....Bernard Hopkins may never have had the best style to beat Calzaghe but at 43 he damn near beat Calzaghe. And if Roy still had ANY power left over Calzaghe would have been stopped in 1 despite Roy's chin being shot.
Bruva, RJJ was Superman, we know this.
What maybe isn't so obvious, is the fact that Bernard Hopkins as a 43 year old has a lot left to rely on, other than any kind of athleticism.
Bernard isn't Superman, he's more like Batman :cool: The man's got tricks and gadgetry in every pocket.
46 fights,46 wins.
2 weight world champion.
20 odd title defences
BBC sport personality of the year.
Mega rich
Stunning girlfriends
I dont really think Joe Calzaghe gives a fuck what you lot think.;D
wouldn't read to much in to that poll as i always go against Calzaghe ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterCome on then i'll entertain you. Here's why your argument is complete crap...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Lacy - unbeaten, no.2 Ring rated, IBF champion when Calzaghe slaughtered him. He was not the exposed guy you falsely claim him to be. Fact.
Kessler - unbeaten, no.1 Ring rated, WBC/WBA champion when Calzaghe schooled him. He was not the guy with a loss to Andre Ward. Fact.
Hopkins - P4P no.3, Linear/Ring lightheavyweight champion when Calzaghe beat him. Fact.
Roy - past his pomp legend. Fact. Here's something interesting though, 36% of Saddo voters picked Jones to win - including a certain Mr Tysonbruno and Dark Lord Al. Fact.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...l-win-why.html
Haters.. I've shit em. ;)
Well, he forearm smashed him. Plus the Green fight just shows you what can happen when you get hit on the top of the head/back of the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Calzaghe actually boxed Kessler, rather than butted him silly
You could also argue that Calzaghe completely ruined Lacy. Sure he was hyped, but the majority of his fights post Calzaghe, he had to deal with a bad rotator cuff injury. That injury coupled with the fact you've lost your air of invincibility also badly effects a fighter.
Hopkins also showed how good he is given the fact 2 of his most impressive wins came either side of the Calzaghe fight. I had Calzaghe winning the fight.
I'm not saying he's the 2nd coming or anything, but the shite he gets on here is unreal at times.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbrunowouldn't read to much in to that poll as i always go against Calzaghe ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterCome on then i'll entertain you. Here's why your argument is complete crap...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Lacy - unbeaten, no.2 Ring rated, IBF champion when Calzaghe slaughtered him. He was not the exposed guy you falsely claim him to be. Fact.
Kessler - unbeaten, no.1 Ring rated, WBC/WBA champion when Calzaghe schooled him. He was not the guy with a loss to Andre Ward. Fact.
Hopkins - P4P no.3, Linear/Ring lightheavyweight champion when Calzaghe beat him. Fact.
Roy - past his pomp legend. Fact. Here's something interesting though, 36% of Saddo voters picked Jones to win - including a certain Mr Tysonbruno and Dark Lord Al. Fact.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...l-win-why.html
Haters.. I've shit em. ;)
Unfortunately for you Calzaghe always won though, so basically butt fucked you his whole career ;D
Calazghe was 36 and his chin was 'Shot' too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleANOTHER overrated Brit :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
RJJ post 2003 was not a top level fighter....Bernard Hopkins may never have had the best style to beat Calzaghe but at 43 he damn near beat Calzaghe. And if Roy still had ANY power left over Calzaghe would have been stopped in 1 despite Roy's chin being shot.
To a certain degree yes lol;D as i watched every fight just waiting for him to lose but deep down i was thinking he wouldn't because the opposition was never good enough and as for jeff Lacy he had trouble with Omar Sheika and Vitali Tyspko or whatever he was called so i dont think Calzaghe ruined him just don't think he had it ever. I thought his win over Scott Pembleton was good then Peter Manfredo does the same so that tarnished that Calzaghe has been a right fight at right time career for me and thats why he is 46-0 even though i believe he should be 44-2 Hopkins and Reid beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbrunowouldn't read to much in to that poll as i always go against Calzaghe ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Unfortunately for you Calzaghe always won though, so basically butt fucked you his whole career ;D
I'm the same don't think he's a legend, but certainly one of the best of his era and earned the right to be first ballot canastota.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoWell, he forearm smashed him. Plus the Green fight just shows you what can happen when you get hit on the top of the head/back of the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
Calzaghe actually boxed Kessler, rather than butted him silly
You could also argue that Calzaghe completely ruined Lacy. Sure he was hyped, but the majority of his fights post Calzaghe, he had to deal with a bad rotator cuff injury. That injury coupled with the fact you've lost your air of invincibility also badly effects a fighter.
Hopkins also showed how good he is given the fact 2 of his most impressive wins came either side of the Calzaghe fight. I had Calzaghe winning the fight.
I'm not saying he's the 2nd coming or anything, but the shite he gets on here is unreal at times.
retrospectively tarnishing his opponents is bollocks, does Duane Thomas and Terry Norris surpass Marvin H for doing better jobs on ~Mugabe and Leanard respectively?
The guy beat everyone he ever fought
FENSTER i wouldnt , no couldnt ever back Calzaghe in any fight.
Id back you FENSTER if you fought Joke Calzaghe.;D
Joe has only himself to blame for this thread. He could have and should have done more between Eubanks and Lacy. Ottke was a joke ready for the taking.
Excellent summary TysonBruno and also Lyle hit the nail on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
FUCK JC (is that irrational enough, Fenster? ;) )
Calzaghe refusing to go into Germany and rid the world of Sven Ottke is one of the most cowardice moves ever by a Boxer
But Sven Ottke was what he was. Think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Some could argue that Robin Reid made the worst move of his career by fighting in Ottke in Germany ;)
Ottke's trainer and promoter (in Boxing Monthly) have BOTH said he wanted nothing to do with fighting Calzaghe even in Germany. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieBut Sven Ottke was what he was. Think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Some could argue that Robin Reid made the worst move of his career by fighting in Ottke in Germany ;)
Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterOttke's trainer and promoter (in Boxing Monthly) have BOTH said he wanted nothing to do with fighting Calzaghe even in Germany. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieBut Sven Ottke was what he was. Think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Some could argue that Robin Reid made the worst move of his career by fighting in Ottke in Germany ;)