The heavies need a Super Six
This has probably been mentioned already, but... how about a Super Six tournament for the division that the casual fans care the most about? Let's face it, the casual fan only cares about the big guys. So why not have a Super Six HW tournament?
Let's see, the entrants would be:
1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Vitali Klitschko
3. er... umm....
4. oh wait, I forgot... David Haye
5. Damn! This seemed so easy at first.
6. Hell I don't know... one of those other fat guys.
Yeah, yeah... I forgot Chris Nipple. I realize we probably need a U.S. heavy up there. So OK... Chris it is. Now what? How do we promote this shit? Hey, here's an idea: How about showing some highlights of some of the Klitschko's recent fights? Let's see... there's Wladimir-Sultan. Er... no. How about Wlad (or was it Vitali)-Ray Austin? Uhh... naw. How about Vitali-Johnson? Ok, let's forget the highlight clips.
Oh well... it's the thought that counts. I really think we need some professional sports marketing people on this one. Any good ideas out there?
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Super Six heavies could be fun in fact
1. Wladimir Klitchko Ukraine
2. David Haye UK
3. Alexander Povetikin Russia
4. Eddie Chambers USA
5. Tony Thompson USA
6. Oldianer Solis Cuba
Should the winner of the tourney be different than klitchko he will have the opportunity to fight agaisnt Vitaly in order to be the undisputed heavy champ !
I can tell you this tournament would be fun to watch
2 title holder
2 USA fighters (to draw US audience) 1 UK (audience aswell) one of the klitchko (the man of the division) one rising star from russia and Solis who is really gifted...
Fun to watch, and it's all we need at this time...
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problems....
1. The top 2 won't fight each other
2. there is no one else to fill the other 4 spots.. unless you want to count Haye
Then it would look like a reverse oreo...With a Klitchko wobbly-H and david being the creamy filling...
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SEB
Super Six heavies could be fun in fact
1. Wladimir Klitchko Ukraine
2. David Haye UK
3. Alexander Povetikin Russia
4. Eddie Chambers USA
5. Tony Thompson USA
6. Oldianer Solis Cuba
Should the winner of the tourney be different than klitchko he will have the opportunity to fight agaisnt Vitaly in order to be the undisputed heavy champ !
I can tell you this tournament would be fun to watch
2 title holder
2 USA fighters (to draw US audience) 1 UK (audience aswell) one of the klitchko (the man of the division) one rising star from russia and Solis who is really gifted...
Fun to watch, and it's all we need at this time...
Hmm... I like the international flavor of this lineup. Who cares about the quality of the fighters? It's USA, UK, Russia... THAT should stir up some patriotic fans. Hell... they don't have to know that by and large the HW division stinks like a 4-year old's diaper.
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hmmm in fact I would love to throw Tua in there, just to see if they're still able to avoid his punches :-) but far too soon for him ;-)
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SEB
hmmm in fact I would love to throw Tua in there, just to see if they're still able to avoid his punches :-) but far too soon for him ;-)
I still wonder how Tua and maybe guys like Toney never fought the Klits sometimes.
I'd like to see a super six without the Klits.
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You can't have a supersix tournament in the heavyweight divison. First off the two best fighters won't fight each other so that would automatically make it unworkable.
Secondly Tony Thompson has already been dominated by a Klitschko, Eddie Chambers came up short against Povetkin.
We know the only challengers of note to the Klits are Povetkin and Haye, and both will get their chance next year anyway.
A tournament there would be a complete waste of time as we already know who the best two are, they won't fight each other and it's clear who the next best two contenders are, and they will be fighting a Klit next year anyway.
The only divisions the Super Six really works is Super middleweight and junior welter ( actually lightweight might be interesting) , because at those weights we have an abundance of talent, but no clear champion, or contender.
The heavyweights there is no doubt who the champs and contenders are.
Same for welterweight, a tournament there would be pointless, the best two fighters are going to fight, as the other two best, the winners can meet maybe, hell it practically is a supersix going on their anyway, Cotto eliminated Clottey, Mosely eliminated Margarito. Then Manny destroyed Cotto, Mosely will face Berto, who eliminated Collazo and Floyd faces Manny.
We basically are having a tournament in all but name at 147 right now.
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TitoFan
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SEB
Super Six heavies could be fun in fact
1. Wladimir Klitchko Ukraine
2. David Haye UK
3. Alexander Povetikin Russia
4. Eddie Chambers USA
5. Tony Thompson USA
6. Oldianer Solis Cuba
Should the winner of the tourney be different than klitchko he will have the opportunity to fight agaisnt Vitaly in order to be the undisputed heavy champ !
I can tell you this tournament would be fun to watch
2 title holder
2 USA fighters (to draw US audience) 1 UK (audience aswell) one of the klitchko (the man of the division) one rising star from russia and Solis who is really gifted...
Fun to watch, and it's all we need at this time...
Hmm... I like the international flavor of this lineup. Who cares about the quality of the fighters? It's USA, UK, Russia... THAT should stir up some patriotic fans. Hell... they don't have to know that by and large the HW division stinks like a 4-year old's diaper.
4 yr olds dont wear diapers
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1. One of the Klitschkos
2. David Haye
3. David Tua
4. Shannon Briggs
5. Alexander Povetkin
6. Nicolai Valuev
My money would be on the Klitschko brother whichever 1 it was.
I'd like to see Tua vs Briggs or Haye aswel.
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Drago
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TitoFan
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SEB
Super Six heavies could be fun in fact
1. Wladimir Klitchko Ukraine
2. David Haye UK
3. Alexander Povetikin Russia
4. Eddie Chambers USA
5. Tony Thompson USA
6. Oldianer Solis Cuba
Should the winner of the tourney be different than klitchko he will have the opportunity to fight agaisnt Vitaly in order to be the undisputed heavy champ !
I can tell you this tournament would be fun to watch
2 title holder
2 USA fighters (to draw US audience) 1 UK (audience aswell) one of the klitchko (the man of the division) one rising star from russia and Solis who is really gifted...
Fun to watch, and it's all we need at this time...
Hmm... I like the international flavor of this lineup. Who cares about the quality of the fighters? It's USA, UK, Russia... THAT should stir up some patriotic fans. Hell... they don't have to know that by and large the HW division stinks like a 4-year old's diaper.
4 yr olds dont wear diapers
Well... I was thinking a "potty training challenged" 4-year old. Can you imagine the stench?
:-X
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TitoFan
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Drago
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TitoFan
Hmm... I like the international flavor of this lineup. Who cares about the quality of the fighters? It's USA, UK, Russia... THAT should stir up some patriotic fans. Hell... they don't have to know that by and large the HW division stinks like a 4-year old's diaper.
4 yr olds dont wear diapers
Well... I was thinking a "potty training challenged" 4-year old. Can you imagine the stench?
:-X
ha ha, yeaj your right fella
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The super six in entertaining because the outcome is pretty much up in the air. The casual fan doesn't need to watch four other chumps fight each other to see who would be the first to get thier ass kicked by one of the klitchko's. The heavies need actual decent heavyweight fighters then we can talk about tournaments and bbq's and shit. Besides i doubt you can find enough heavies to even intrest the casual fan. Hell the current tourny aint bad i don't know of one person who isn't already into boxing that gives a crap about it.
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I think there should be a contender tournament. And whoever wins then this would build a mega showdown with Vlad. The heavies need more exposure and more names to throw in the mix.
1. Thomasz Adamek
2. Chris Arreola
3. Odlanier Solis
4. Denis Boytsov
5. David Rodriguez
6. Tyson Fury
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I think there should be a contender tournament. And whoever wins then this would build a mega showdown with Vlad. The heavies need more exposure and more names to throw in the mix.
1. Thomasz Adamek
2. Chris Arreola
3. Odlanier Solis
4. Denis Boytsov
5. David Rodriguez
6. Tyson Fury
great idea, but they would never get this sorted they all want an easy route to the title
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I don't see any problems staging a tournament like this other than getting the two Klitschkos to take part. Vlad would be terrified at the prospect of possibly fighting Haye so it's difficult to see him agreeing to take part. Vitali has a bit of facial damage that needs to get better before his next fight but they can just unbolt his head, squeeze it into a shipping container and send it back to Russia for repairs then he'd be ready to go.
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You can't have a supersix tournament in the heavyweight divison. First off the two best fighters won't fight each other so that would automatically make it unworkable.
Secondly Tony Thompson has already been dominated by a Klitschko, Eddie Chambers came up short against Povetkin.
We know the only challengers of note to the Klits are Povetkin and Haye, and both will get their chance next year anyway.
A tournament there would be a complete waste of time as we already know who the best two are, they won't fight each other and it's clear who the next best two contenders are, and they will be fighting a Klit next year anyway.
The only divisions the Super Six really works is Super middleweight and junior welter ( actually lightweight might be interesting) , because at those weights we have an abundance of talent, but no clear champion, or contender.
The heavyweights there is no doubt who the champs and contenders are.
Same for welterweight, a tournament there would be pointless, the best two fighters are going to fight, as the other two best, the winners can meet maybe, hell it practically is a supersix going on their anyway, Cotto eliminated Clottey, Mosely eliminated Margarito. Then Manny destroyed Cotto, Mosely will face Berto, who eliminated Collazo and Floyd faces Manny.
We basically are having a tournament in all but name at 147 right now.
I think that's far from the case to be honest.. We know that Haye and Povetkin are the ONLY noteworthy challengers to either brother, but only because they haven't already lost to them. I'd say it's far from certain that either(Haye especially) is better than guys the Klits have been beating, and a super six without the Klitschko's would go a long way towards establishing a more worthy challenger. Is it the concencus that Haye would be a big favourite over Tony Thompson, or Eddie Chambers? I personally would call both pick em fights..
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You misanalysed it Bilbo :-)
[q] You can't have a supersix tournament in the heavyweight divison. First off the two best fighters won't fight each other so that would automatically make it unworkable. [\q]
that's why I proposed that the winner of the tournament will be fighting Vitaly should it be someone different from Wladimir.
and quite frankly, it could be the case. I wanted 2 USA fighters, because without that, US audience won't be watching, and these 2 fighters have skills, that's all we wanna see nowadays...
[q] Secondly Tony Thompson has already been dominated by a Klitschko, Eddie Chambers came up short against Povetkin..[\q]
and ? Thomson wants his revenge, good, he's gifted and will be a threat for any other heavy in this tournament. can win over Haye, Povetkin, Solis and Chambers.
Chambers on his side will be a tough cookie for some of them, because what he displayed against A. Dimentrenko was just great. against Povetikin, he just "snapped" the guy imposed his speed over the russian and found the way with his right hand all the time during 3-4 rounds. let give him another chance, the guy if he's smart analysed it and I'm sure he can finish the fight with that speed agains the russian.
The tourney is pretty open in fact.
Wladimir is the favourite ? on paper ! : he struggled against Peter Sam (knocked down 2times) and Davaryl williamson ! he has been exposed pretty badly by Lamon Brewster, Sanders...the guy is vulnerable when put under pressure if the guy can bang....
put him against Haye / Solis, and he has a pretty descent chance to leave the ring on a stretcher.
Povetikin, former amateur champ, is good and gifted, I give him a chance, but not in finale...I'm sure Chambers could beat him as well Thompson.
Solis is a extremely talented heavyweight, his only problems is food & training. but motivated and at 250, he can beat them all, I'm sure he can KO wlad, this guy is technically very good.
Haye can win this kind of tourney, I'm sure he will lose a fight in the process, but this kind of fighter could KO wlad in 2 like Sanders did...even if Wlad really improved these last years...
Maybe in fact I would replace Chambers/Thompson by Samuel Peter...just to have a slug in there...
but this kind of show would entertain for sure
Seb
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Call me the cynic here, but having subjected myself to another 12 rounds of heavyweight "action" this weekend, I think we should have a "Shitty Six" tournament made up of dull heavyweights who are constantly stinking up undercards, and far too frequently top billing with low-quality low excitement bouts against equally dull opponents. The catch is, the losers are contractually obliged not to fight for ten years and not to inflict their dross on the fans again.
Who knows, maybe the winner will be infused with some desire to go out and not only clinch, but fight and entertain.
My nominations are:
1. Nikolay Valuev
2. John Ruiz
3. Ruslan Chagaev
4. Oleg Maskaev
5. Audley Harrison
6. Jameel McCline
Subs:
Oliver McCall (I feel bad - but over recent years he's been pretty dire)
Tye Fields
Juan Carlos Gomez
