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During B.J. Penn's last fight Rogan talked about Freddie Roach saying that BJ had the best boxing skills in MMA.
So is it BJ? He's gotta be on the short list but if not him, who?
Not even so much who's the best striker exactly cause you have kicks, knees, elbows, etc., Just the boxing.
Torres has good boxing skills.
Ray Mercer :-X
Yea ya certainly gotta have BJ high on the list, if not topping it.
Others to mention - Markus Davis -former pro boxer, great hand skills !
Frank Mir - in light of recent bouts over Big Nog and Kongo, he has certainly improved a great deal.
Anderson Silva - Got fantastic hand speed and accuracy - just ask Forrest Griffen.
Nick Diaz has tremendous boxing
Frankie Edgar has improved his to an amazing level
BJ Penn has a great jab,
I think you need to add little Nog into this list, a bronze medalist in the Pan American Games is enough justification if the destruction of Luiz Cane wasnt enough already.
rampage jackson, rashad evans,
HANDS DOWN Anderson strikes the best....sure other guys try to slug it out but Anderson knows what he's doing with his hands. That being said he's not a GREAT boxer but this is like asking "What boxer has the best grappling/kick defense"
Yeah, Anderson Silva is actually a decent boxer. But I still think Tyron Woodley has the best hands in MMA. He is wrestler first but he has very nice hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
When I think of the best boxer in MMA, BJ Penn doesn't even come to mind. Perhaps it's because his greatest wins have always been submissions.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I'd say guys like Stephan Bonnar, Gregard Mousassi and a few others bring that thought to mind. There are many others that come to mind but those two stick out to me. Of course, Chuck Liddell has to be mentioned when the conversation is "boxers in MMA" just by his dominance in the cage with his hands from the past.
I always thought Vitor Belfort had some good boxing skills, and his handspeed was lightning quick. If he learnt to not be so wild and be more technical, he could of been a pretty decent boxer IMO.
ye belforts up there and suprise no one has mentioned arlovski
Technically talking, Arlovski is incredible. Only problem is: he has no chin to back the technique :(
I would say Anderson Silva. His hands are so fast for a Middleweight.
BJ keeps things standing these days though unless he hurts somebody and wants to take them down. His hands are why you see all these guys trying desperately trying to take him down. He's just too good striking. I think of him as one of the top boxing skills guys cause he just has good conventional boxing, keeps his hands up and jabs better than almost any other MMA guy. Plus he has a pretty tight compact straight right hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMan37When I think of the best boxer in MMA, BJ Penn doesn't even come to mind. Perhaps it's because his greatest wins have always been submissions.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I'd say guys like Stephan Bonnar, Gregard Mousassi and a few others bring that thought to mind. There are many others that come to mind but those two stick out to me. Of course, Chuck Liddell has to be mentioned when the conversation is "boxers in MMA" just by his dominance in the cage with his hands from the past.
BJ has the best jab I've ever seen in MMA. He handled Sean Sherk with the jab better then some boxers could have done it. Rampage has really good boxing skills, he actually trained with Jeff Mayweather before, and that's what he used to exploit Chuck Liddell's stand up. Rashad I don't think is as good of a boxer especially on the defensive side of things, but he does have fast hands and has put together some good real flashy combos.
Best of all time?
James Warring ;D
I thought he was one of the best, but after the Strikeforce Miami PPV i'd have to say Nick Diaz is the best boxer in MMA.
Diaz looks so open, and he is in a lot of ways, but his volume gets people playing defense so much that they don't throw in between his shots enough.
But he is good at keeping distance, he has good punch variety, as good as any really, and he's the best body puncher in the sport. I do think, even though he still gets a bit sloppy, that his striking looked improved tonight.
His open, but offensively he is one of the best strikers in MMA. I agree with yu aout him being the best body puncher. His body shot that felled Shamrock was a peach of a punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I think BJ is the best boxer in MMA..... I have to disagree with the above comment. Yes most of his wins have been via submission, but that's only after he has knock his opponent down from his boxing. He really is a crisp boxer which has great defenseQuote:
Originally Posted by DMan37When I think of the best boxer in MMA, BJ Penn doesn't even come to mind. Perhaps it's because his greatest wins have always been submissions.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I'd say guys like Stephan Bonnar, Gregard Mousassi and a few others bring that thought to mind. There are many others that come to mind but those two stick out to me. Of course, Chuck Liddell has to be mentioned when the conversation is "boxers in MMA" just by his dominance in the cage with his hands from the past.
Diaz brothers were good am boxers...
Lil Nog won a Pan Am Games title in boxing and it is very good, watch the Shogun fight from Pride and see that he has good power also.
Bj as it said has a great jab, chin and on pure boxing there are not many that can go with him for five rounds of stand up, in a pure boxing match i think he would beat St Pierre.
Machida is good but i feel like he would lose some of his elusiveness in a ring and ive seen videos of Anderson and am not massivly impressed!
Overall im going with BJ!!