Morales Vs Marquez

no it's not a thread of this fight happening now lol
i just saw a highlight reel of the Barrera Vs. Marquez fight, and then saw Morales Vs. Chavez and couldn't help but think that Morales Vs. Marquez would have been a lot more explosive than Barrera/Marquez (not that it wasn't already a hell of a fight), IMO were both technically sharper than Barrera but Morales' if you hurt me i'm gonna kill you attitude would have made the difference, any opinions?










PS. hey at least it's not a Mayweather/Pacquiao thread lol

I think Morales would have won that one in their primes. What a war it would have been though. Looking back now Morales' win over Pacman is looking better and better on him. Looking at how Pac has dispatched his recent foes(whom are bigger) that last beatdown didnt seem soo bad. Why do I think Morales would win? He stays with his technique once the exchanges start and Marquez tends to open up and take one to give one. I think Morales would land more and get a points win.

morales and marquez were not technically sharper than barrera. barrera was always the most versatile of the three.

I agree. In the height of their primes, I think Barrera is the best of them. Like you said I think Barrera was deff the sharpest also. Plus I love the attitude of the Baby face, he'd sucker punch your mother if he didnt like you.

Morales outboxed Barrera clearly in their second fight (the fight he should have gotten the nod in), thing is Morales wouldn't keep his composure and when he would get tagged or slightly rocked he'd just go at it and be hell bent on hurting you, if you're gonna go by technique and all around natural BOXING ability, both Morales and Marquez were ahead of Barrera

Morales was my favourite fighter of these 3 legends. Remember when he beat Pac and tried to be cocky in the last round and go southpaw and Manny nearly knocked him out. That sums up Morales, very emotional, still never forgiven MAB?

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Morales was my favourite fighter of these 3 legends. Remember when he beat Pac and tried to be cocky in the last round and go southpaw and Manny nearly knocked him out. That sums up Morales, very emotional, still never forgiven MAB?

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what for? ;D

I'd like to ask - We know what we'd get from Morales but which version of Marquez? The patient counter puncher or the more recent aggressive boxer?

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I'd like to ask - We know what we'd get from Morales but which version of Marquez? The patient counter puncher or the more recent aggressive boxer?

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i think given the pace that Morales would put, that Marquez would have no choice but to have a happy medium and mesh both styles, it's how Barrera had success against Morales, if he just simply tried to counter him IMO he'd get overwhelmed by sharp accurate jabs and right hands ending up getting outpointed, but if he'd mix it up like he did with Pacquiao and Diaz it'd be an even fight and a war

and back to Barrera, IMO the thing that set him apart from the other two is he was better at adapting to different styles of his opponents, just look at the two Juarez fights

This could have been a great fight and I would have loved to seen it if it had been made. I would lean toward Eric winning a close 1 with him being the aggressor in the earlier rounds and JMM coming on strong late only to lose a close decision. But I would take JMM in the rematch. Its to bad that fighters like Hamed, JMM, Morales and Barrera didn't all fight each other like Leonard Hagler, Hearns and Duran did.

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This could have been a great fight and I would have loved to seen it if it had been made. I would lean toward Eric winning a close 1 with him being the aggressor in the earlier rounds and JMM coming on strong late only to lose a close decision. But I would take JMM in the rematch. Its to bad that fighters like Hamed, JMM, Morales and Barrera didn't all fight each other like Leonard Hagler, Hearns and Duran did.

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would have loved it if they all fought round the time of mab/morales 1

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This could have been a great fight and I would have loved to seen it if it had been made. I would lean toward Eric winning a close 1 with him being the aggressor in the earlier rounds and JMM coming on strong late only to lose a close decision. But I would take JMM in the rematch. Its to bad that fighters like Hamed, JMM, Morales and Barrera didn't all fight each other like Leonard Hagler, Hearns and Duran did.

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would have loved it if they all fought round the time of mab/morales 1

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IMO all 3 (Morales, Barrera, and Marquez) would beat Hamed, hell Barrera already did lol and he did it impressively

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This could have been a great fight and I would have loved to seen it if it had been made. I would lean toward Eric winning a close 1 with him being the aggressor in the earlier rounds and JMM coming on strong late only to lose a close decision. But I would take JMM in the rematch. Its to bad that fighters like Hamed, JMM, Morales and Barrera didn't all fight each other like Leonard Hagler, Hearns and Duran did.

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would have loved it if they all fought round the time of mab/morales 1

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IMO all 3 (Morales, Barrera, and Marquez) would beat Hamed, hell Barrera already did lol and he did it impressively

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I agree, Hamed was never in that class only his hype was.

As for Em vs JMM, I think Em would win everytime. Just like Pac would win everytime over Mab, but Pac vs JMM and Pac Em would always be 50/50 just like Em vs Mab.

This is ofcourse base on the fighters 126 pound days.

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would have loved it if they all fought round the time of mab/morales 1

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IMO all 3 (Morales, Barrera, and Marquez) would beat Hamed, hell Barrera already did lol and he did it impressively

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I agree, Hamed was never in that class only his hype was.

As for Em vs JMM, I think Em would win everytime. Just like Pac would win everytime over Mab, but Pac vs JMM and Pac Em would always be 50/50 just like Em vs Mab.

This is ofcourse base on the fighters 126 pound days.

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i think we could even go as far as up to 130, all were still superb fighters in this weight class

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This could have been a great fight and I would have loved to seen it if it had been made. I would lean toward Eric winning a close 1 with him being the aggressor in the earlier rounds and JMM coming on strong late only to lose a close decision. But I would take JMM in the rematch. Its to bad that fighters like Hamed, JMM, Morales and Barrera didn't all fight each other like Leonard Hagler, Hearns and Duran did.

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would have loved it if they all fought round the time of mab/morales 1

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IMO all 3 (Morales, Barrera, and Marquez) would beat Hamed, hell Barrera already did lol and he did it impressively

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I think Hamed would have beaten Morales because it took alot of discipline from Barrera to beat Hamed and I think the hot headed Morales would have tried to brawl with the Prince and would have got caught with a big punch.

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would have loved it if they all fought round the time of mab/morales 1

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IMO all 3 (Morales, Barrera, and Marquez) would beat Hamed, hell Barrera already did lol and he did it impressively

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I think Hamed would have beaten Morales because it took alot of discipline from Barrera to beat Hamed and I think the hot headed Morales would have tried to brawl with the Prince and would have got caught with a big punch.

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he would have got caught and kept coming, we're talking about the prime Morales who NOBODY was ever to legitimately knockdown, much less knock out, Morales would have systematically taken Hamed apart and either stop him late (IMO Morales had more power behind his shots) or beat him by a clear decision

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IMO all 3 (Morales, Barrera, and Marquez) would beat Hamed, hell Barrera already did lol and he did it impressively

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I think Hamed would have beaten Morales because it took alot of discipline from Barrera to beat Hamed and I think the hot headed Morales would have tried to brawl with the Prince and would have got caught with a big punch.

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he would have got caught and kept coming, we're talking about the prime Morales who NOBODY was ever to legitimately knockdown, much less knock out, Morales would have systematically taken Hamed apart and either stop him late (IMO Morales had more power behind his shots) or beat him by a clear decision

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LOL!!! Agree to disagree my friend because I think we could go on and on about opinions of who would win and how. And on a side note your user name explains alot; I could chose a prime Roy Jones vs Morales and you would probably pick him to beat Jones. ;D BTW Merry Christmas everybody.

122-126 lbs, year 2000-2005, I'd pick Morales.

126-130+ lbs, year 2005+, I'd pick Marquez.

In their primes at featherweight I pick Morales. Marquez is good but a faded Barrera beat him at superfeather IMO.

As for Nas vs Morales, Erik would have walked on to a lot more punches than Marco did. Barrera had a good boxing brain and defence which is essential vs Nas. Erik didnt have either of those and let his heart rule his head so its a toss up.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Morales outboxed Barrera clearly in their second fight (the fight he should have gotten the nod in), thing is Morales wouldn't keep his composure and when he would get tagged or slightly rocked he'd just go at it and be hell bent on hurting you, if you're gonna go by technique and all around natural BOXING ability, both Morales and Marquez were ahead of Barrera

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I think Morales was very good on the outside, I think him being a little more lengthy helped against Barrera, but I think Barrera seemed a little sharper both technically and otherwise when they got to medium or on the inside.

I'd pick Morales to beat Marquez in their primes.

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In their primes at featherweight I pick Morales. Marquez is good but a faded Barrera beat him at superfeather IMO.

As for Nas vs Morales, Erik would have walked on to a lot more punches than Marco did. Barrera had a good boxing brain and defence which is essential vs Nas. Erik didnt have either of those and let his heart rule his head so its a toss up.

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If you thought Barrera beat Marquez you must be a Barrera fan imo.

Marquez clearly won that fight.

Prime for prime i favor Barrera though.

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In their primes at featherweight I pick Morales. Marquez is good but a faded Barrera beat him at superfeather IMO.

As for Nas vs Morales, Erik would have walked on to a lot more punches than Marco did. Barrera had a good boxing brain and defence which is essential vs Nas. Erik didnt have either of those and let his heart rule his head so its a toss up.

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If you thought Barrera beat Marquez you must be a Barrera fan imo.

Marquez clearly won that fight.

Prime for prime i favor Barrera though.

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Barrera landed the more shots statistically and he scored the only KD. Harold Lederman scored it for Barrera aswel.

If it happend in 2000 then it wouldnt have gone to the scorecards.

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In their primes at featherweight I pick Morales. Marquez is good but a faded Barrera beat him at superfeather IMO.

As for Nas vs Morales, Erik would have walked on to a lot more punches than Marco did. Barrera had a good boxing brain and defence which is essential vs Nas. Erik didnt have either of those and let his heart rule his head so its a toss up.

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If you thought Barrera beat Marquez you must be a Barrera fan imo.

Marquez clearly won that fight.

Prime for prime i favor Barrera though.

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Barrera landed the more shots statistically and he scored the only KD. Harold Lederman scored it for Barrera aswel.

If it happend in 2000 then it wouldnt have gone to the scorecards.

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Barrera possibly could have won if it was in 2000 but no way would he have stopped him, i mean Pacquiao is and always was a bigger puncher than MAB was and well he was unsuccessful in putting Marquez away, i'm pretty sure that Barrera would have used his boxer/puncher style instead of his more technical approach, going down to the body and staying on his toes moving around behind his jab, cause if he tried to just slug Marquez would counter, making it a tougher fight than needed, and back to the real fight that happened, Barrera was also the only one to hit the other guy while he was clearly down, so well karma's a bitch lol

morales' aggressiveness would have been his undoing against a sharp counterpuncher like marquez. often, morales very easily got taken off his gameplan (box technically) and got drawn into a slugfest whereas marquez almost always stuck to his gameplan and didn't let the other fighter dictate his style of fighting. marquez by SD.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Morales outboxed Barrera clearly in their second fight (the fight he should have gotten the nod in), thing is Morales wouldn't keep his composure and when he would get tagged or slightly rocked he'd just go at it and be hell bent on hurting you, if you're gonna go by technique and all around natural BOXING ability, both Morales and Marquez were ahead of Barrera

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Sorry to quote you, i'm not calling you out but Morales was a boxer that loved a fight, Barrera was the fighter that knew how to box.

They were evenly matched but Barerra was the smarter, more headstrong character: Hence, he was more prone to get the better of Morales.

In regards to Marquez... I love him as a fighter but PRIME 4 PRIME, I think he gets beat more times than not by both fighters. (Assuming that fights don't happen north of 130lbs)

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Morales outboxed Barrera clearly in their second fight (the fight he should have gotten the nod in), thing is Morales wouldn't keep his composure and when he would get tagged or slightly rocked he'd just go at it and be hell bent on hurting you, if you're gonna go by technique and all around natural BOXING ability, both Morales and Marquez were ahead of Barrera

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Sorry to quote you, i'm not calling you out but Morales was a boxer that loved a fight, Barrera was the fighter that knew how to box.

They were evenly matched but Barerra was the smarter, more headstrong character: Hence, he was more prone to get the better of Morales.

In regards to Marquez... I love him as a fighter but PRIME 4 PRIME, I think he gets beat more times than not by both fighters. (Assuming that fights don't happen north of 130lbs)

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agree, but i think that it was caused by his hatred for Barrera, and it's clear as day that the two don't like each other, it wasn't some act lol

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Morales outboxed Barrera clearly in their second fight (the fight he should have gotten the nod in), thing is Morales wouldn't keep his composure and when he would get tagged or slightly rocked he'd just go at it and be hell bent on hurting you, if you're gonna go by technique and all around natural BOXING ability, both Morales and Marquez were ahead of Barrera

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Sorry to quote you, i'm not calling you out but Morales was a boxer that loved a fight, Barrera was the fighter that knew how to box.

They were evenly matched but Barerra was the smarter, more headstrong character: Hence, he was more prone to get the better of Morales.

In regards to Marquez... I love him as a fighter but PRIME 4 PRIME, I think he gets beat more times than not by both fighters. (Assuming that fights don't happen north of 130lbs)

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agree, but i think that it was caused by his hatred for Barrera, and it's clear as day that the two don't like each other, it wasn't some act lol

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Yeah i understand beef is beef but it's evident that it was never really that hard to provoke Eric Morales.
All you had to do was punch him in the face, and a fight erupted.

I admit that this tendency made him immensely popular but to be ultra-critical (which is a back-handed compliment), the lack of control let him down.