This is my first time seeing this, whereas in years past I think Mike would have slugged the guy, but he seems to have matured;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcGM5XDFZcQ
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This is my first time seeing this, whereas in years past I think Mike would have slugged the guy, but he seems to have matured;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcGM5XDFZcQ
Nice one. He sure seems to have matured. I get his frustration about things from the past. And particularly when it is not the recent past, you try to put things behind you and as an average guy I can (although at times...) but when you are a high profile public figure it can become your identity and that is such a tabloid way of viewing people.
I hope he finds some real peace.
Never thought I'd see a thread title like this! It's good to see that he seems to have matured, but you'd think people would be smart enough to avoid bringing up issues he's clearly not comfortable discussing
Some of these guys are just looking for a reaction, but why dont they cut the guy a bit of slack. Sure hes been an asshole, and more, but if a guy is making an effort to be a better person surely the press and shit should see this and quit with the bear baiting
The most overrated fighter in history.
Yeah the b@stards, it is the press job though, to get an interviewee emotionally involved any way they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnmaff36
Still mate,also in life when we think we have matured and changed emotionally and got over some things; similar ones or reminders seem to arise again to test out just how much we have matured.
Once the reaction is minimal, the ones trying to recreate the friction usually give up and search for it somewhere else.
Yeah well that shows you how good the trainer was to be able to shape a man like him and take his weaknesses and turn them into strengths through a style and a persona.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
It got the world involved in the sport again too.
I think Tyson in his prime was pure quality. He slipped with getting rid of Rooney and then the Douglas debacle. But he was still a monster prior to jail, being able to just 'nuke' it out with Ruddock rather than using the full range of skills he had previously.
The thing that ruined Tyson was 3 years plus behind bars. He wasn't quite the same and I don't think Holyfield (and definitely not Lewis) beat anything near a prime incarnation of Mike Tyson. Tyson stuck around as a carnival show attraction in his later years and the losses to Williams and McBride were were just end of the road blips. But for those few years, Tyson was everything you could want in a heavyweight fighter.
He's a fighter you can always go back to and watch again and again.
I loved to this over rated too. :rolleyes: If he was around the Kilts would be dispatched easily and the rest would not last 7 rounds. The only thing that stopped him was himself. He is living the consequences of his mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYeah well that shows you how good the trainer was to be able to shape a man like him and take his weaknesses and turn them into strengths through a style and a persona.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
It got the world involved in the sport again too.
True, makes their timing seem perfect too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI loved to this over rated too. :rolleyes: If he was around the Kilts would be dispatched easily and the rest would not last 7 rounds. The only thing that stopped him was himself. He is living the consequences of his mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYeah well that shows you how good the trainer was to be able to shape a man like him and take his weaknesses and turn them into strengths through a style and a persona.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
It got the world involved in the sport again too.
The heavies were ripe for the picking and they built the machine to do it.
Like you say the wheels would of fallen off the same machine allot faster in any other heavyweight period.
Good interview. Like him or not, he brought excitement to the boxing world when it was at an all time low. Still wish he fought Holyfield before being sent to prison.
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Yeah or Mike and Ike!
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are you being serious the guys a legend he was a animal in his prime he was unstopableQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Holyfield was considered to be a shot fighter, when they fought in '96. What happened? Buster Douglass a 42-1 underdog that never did anything before or after Tyson. Lennox Lewis was massively past his prime and still beat Tyson.
Tyson's biggest wins were against bums and a weak HW era. A blownup LHW in Spinks? An old Larry HOlmes? Trevor Berbick? Come on that's a weak resume.
And the Tyson fanboys have the audacity to say he's better than Ali. Ali in his prime would do to Tyson what he did to Liston, another overrated puncher with a bully mentality.
Yeah the guy is a legend beating up bums and tomato cans.
If he had a fight coming up he would have smashed up the studio or something but he has no need to act like a wanker anymore.
I've always said that there are two Tyson's the young one that ripped through the heavyweight division when he had people looking out for him and the older one that fell apart mentally when Don King took over.
Tyson has to take some of the blame he made bad decisions and has paid for them. It's harsh to take anything away from him as a fighter due to the oposition available.
Ali once said about himself he wasn't the greatest of ALL time he was only the greatest of HIS time because that's all you can be.
Mike fought and beat virtually all of them and you have to respect him as a fighter for that. As a person I despise him for some of his actions but I also have some sympathy because of the outside influences (King and the press) that have shaped his life.
I hope he is maturing and can give something back to boxing because that maybe the best way for him to achieve some level of serenity.
Good post fellaQuote:
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Welcome back Shamrock, your daughter has grown, so has yours kel. :)
Yeah, she does call me the daddy!Quote:
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Originally Posted by KelYeah, she does call me the daddy!Quote:
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Thanks Master.
Holyfield dug deep and Mike Tyson bought into the hype that Holyfield was shot and didn't train to do anything but throw one punch. Holyfield did cheat in the rematch, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
And again, Tyson's own fault, he underestimated his opponent and didn't train properly or have the proper people in his corner. He took the L, but don't think for an instant a rematch would have wound up the same.Quote:
Buster Douglass a 42-1 underdog that never did anything before or after Tyson.
And Mike wasn't? Mike's prime was in the late 80s. Lennox was much closer to his prime than Mike. I suspect Mike was still on his meds for that fight. Around 1990 Lewis was fighting tomato cans as he'd only been a pro for a year so if anything you'd have to say Lennox fought a massively past his prime Tyson. Mike showed up for a paycheck.Quote:
Lennox Lewis was massively past his prime and still beat Tyson.
Andrew Golota (36-4), Bruce Seldon (33-3), Frank Bruno (32-2 & 40-4), Michael Spinks (31-0), Trevor Berbick (31-4), Marvis Frazier (16-1), James Tillis (31-8). Spinks may have been a blown up LHW in your book, but at the time he was undefeated and had had success in the class by beating Holmes twice. A weak resume would suggest Tyson ducked people he should have fought. He fought everyone the division had to offer while he was on top.Quote:
Tyson's biggest wins were against bums and a weak HW era. A blownup LHW in Spinks? An old Larry HOlmes? Trevor Berbick? Come on that's a weak resume.
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And the Tyson fanboys have the audacity to say he's better than Ali. Ali in his prime would do to Tyson what he did to Liston, another overrated puncher with a bully mentality.
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Yeah the guy is a legend beating up bums and tomato cans.