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IMO i thought Oscar had won there first fight but as i am a fan of his maybe i was a bit bias :rolleyes:, so i was just thinking about the fight and wondering if the Oscar that had just beaten Vargas could have beaten Floyd because even thought there fight came late in Oscar's career he still really gave Floyd a run for his money! So what could a younger Oscar beat him?....................YES! lol your thoughts?
He really didn't give Mayweather a run for his money, it was a relatively competitive fight which people aren't use to seeing, but Mayweather landed 207 to 122 punches. He outjabbed Oscar, and he landed more power punches. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights, and Oscar wasn't barely landing 10 punches a round against Floyd, and those were 90% of the time glancing blows. Mayweather outboxed him and should have won 117-111 or 116-112. I can't believe how many rounds people felt Oscar won when Mayweather landed twice as many punches and three to four times as many clean punches in the same round. Oscar's jab wasn't that effective either, he only landed it 40 times the entire fight, and strategically it only took a couple of rounds for Mayweather to start countering over it with the right hand, and then Oscar stopped throwing it.
I don't think Oscar would have beaten Floyd earlier in his career, the keys that Oscar had when he faced Floyd as an older guy were better defensive skills and a little more patience. He tended to get sloppy when he was younger, and he has the same stamina problems. Also he was a lot bigger fighting Oscar at 154 than he was when he originally went up to the weight, and he wasn't that much slower. I actually think Mayweather beats a more inexperienced Oscar worse than he did, and I think Mayweather's Oscar would beat Vargas' Oscar for all the reasons said. He is bigger, much better defensively, smarter, better right hand, and only slightly slower.
In one word to the thread starter...NO...not at any point in ODH career would he have beaten Floyd. Not on any planet, no matter how the stars or planets were aligned. I understand the sentiment behind your post as I'm a Roy Jones fan so times have been pretty damn tough for me as a boxing fan. It wasn't all that close a fight the first time. It just looked that way to the untrained eye because ODH pressed the action. Floyd is a viper and picks at you through out the fight with surgical precision which is what he did to Oscar. If Oscar fights him earlier in his career, the Floyd just does this earlier and more often. Floyd still wins the fight...20 out of 20 times.
laying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
the first time? they only fought once, where the hell was i for the rematch?!? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
I think its best not to mention his name lol, but ye i totally agree. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleslaying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I personally don't know how anyone can score that fight in favor of Oscar.
Floyd outboxed him in majority of the rounds especially the later rounds where DLH tired. DLH did snatch a few rounds due to a higher pace but even then he never landed anything significant. All the clean solid punches came from Mayweather.
I seen it being scored in favor of Floyd 9-3 or 8-4 at the very worst.
Could a prime Oscar beat Floyd ? Possibly, but i would still favor Mayweather due to his superior boxing skills and defensive smarts.
Floyd fan by any chance?:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
It was a close fight. I remember I had it 8 rounds to 4 rounds (116-112) in favor of Mayweather. I was rooting for Mayweather and I remember being really worried when Oscar's jab proved to be so effective. But then Oscar was just following Floyd around and not really doing that much else. It was definitely a tough fight. I don't think there's anyway in hell that Oscar shoulda won that fight on any of those scorecards but it was definitely a tough fight. Floyd started opening his arsenal a bit in the mid rounds but then he closed it back up until the final two rounds. Oscar didn't look like the same Oscar from 1999-2001 but he looked sturdy and would have been a tough fight for anyone at 154.
that's how i had it, i felt that PBF won clearly but it was still closer than some make it out to be, i had it 116-112 for Mayweather as well, but it was against an already worn DLH, a fresher younger DHL (Vargas/MosleyII) would have given him all that he could handle, and IMO would beat MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
I just don't see how any version of Oscar could have beat Floyd. Oscar is a lot more comfortable with a guy who comes forward and presses the action because then Oscar can counterpunch and show off his handspeed and footwork. Anytime Oscar has been in with an elite BOXER, not fighter, but boxer, he's struggled. Oscar is not effective at pressing the action and that's mainly because the guy never truly developed a right hand, he was primarily a one handed fighter for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat's how i had it, i felt that PBF won clearly but it was still closer than some make it out to be, i had it 116-112 for Mayweather as well, but it was against an already worn DLH, a fresher younger DHL (Vargas/MosleyII) would have given him all that he could handle, and IMO would beat MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
He was only on the ropes for little segments of each round, yet somehow people think it nullifies the fact that inbetween those segments where he was caught on the ropes(and Oscar landed almost none of his punches) Mayweather was peppering him with shots. It wasn't that difficult of a night, and both Castillo fights were much tougher for Floyd and he got hit by much cleaner shots against JLC and Zab Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleslaying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
It easy to look half decent against Mayweather to the untrained eye, but the fact of the matter is Oscar isn't good enough to beat Floyd. Maybe a prime Robinson or Leonard could do the trick, but not Oscar he just wasn't fast enough or good enough.
Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!
Yes, Oscar could beat Floyd a NUMBER of fighters could have beaten Floyd! But Floyd is very good and I think he could beat a number of solid fighters.
How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.
Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.
Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.
dude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.
Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.
Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.
DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales
his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better
if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision
Watch Oscar against Mayorga and then show me a more dominant fight for Oscar's jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.
Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.
Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.
DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales
his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better
if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision
You attack my validity, but you try and say that Oscar was ever as fast as Mayweather? That's a fucking joke. Just ask Genaro Hernandez who was faster, Mayweather is a lot faster than Oscar as was Mosley.
Oscar did have a great chin throughout his career, but punches did bother him more when he was younger. I can name the amount of times Mosley stunned him on one hand, but if you add up all the fights he was hurt a few times. Either way Mayweather couldn't stop Oscar in any version except maybe the one who faced Pacquiao.
But you're hate for Floyd and Manny is known by everyone on here. Just a little while ago you were arguing with me about how Marquez was better than Pacquiao. How MOrales would beat Mayweather at 130. Yet every time you are proven wrong.
could he? yes. I thought he was doing well until he gassed and is when his best days are well behind him.
I don't doubt Mayweather's skills, he is the best defensive fighter i have ever seen. I just don't think he would have handled both Oscar and Mosley in their primes at 147lb. Check out DLH V Mosley 1 and tell me Floyd would beat them both?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.
Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.
Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.
Had Oscar stuck to his jab as he did the first few rounds, then absolutely.
Well let's be real here. Oscar's jab BETTER have looked good against Mayorga. If you wanted to point out that Oscar's jab wasn't ALL that great, you should have pointed out the Ike Quartey (amazing fight btw) where Oscar was shocked when Quartey had the better jab and Oscar's jab became less and less effective as the fight went on. Mayorga is pretty much a club fighter, good boxers can take him out of his depth. Well...except Vernon (RIP).Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethWatch Oscar against Mayorga and then show me a more dominant fight for Oscar's jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales
his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better
if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision
You attack my validity, but you try and say that Oscar was ever as fast as Mayweather? That's a fucking joke. Just ask Genaro Hernandez who was faster, Mayweather is a lot faster than Oscar as was Mosley.
Oscar did have a great chin throughout his career, but punches did bother him more when he was younger. I can name the amount of times Mosley stunned him on one hand, but if you add up all the fights he was hurt a few times. Either way Mayweather couldn't stop Oscar in any version except maybe the one who faced Pacquiao.
But you're hate for Floyd and Manny is known by everyone on here. Just a little while ago you were arguing with me about how Marquez was better than Pacquiao. How MOrales would beat Mayweather at 130. Yet every time you are proven wrong.
Mayweather was faster than Oscar though, even in Oscar's prime. Oscar's hands were very fast but Mayweather is just SO fast with his head movement and upper body movement it isn't even close in that regard.
I've never really cared for Oscar but the one thing that you can't take away from Oscar is his left hook and his chin. IMO, Oscar had one of the great chins of all time. Every fighter gets buzzed but I've never seen Oscar legitimately hurt once that I can remember. Against Mosley he just took some good shots but he was never in any danger of being knocked out ever.
But I'll agree, I don't see anyway Oscar beats Floyd. Now I do think that Floyd vs Mosley at 135 would have been a monster of a fight. Mosley would have been a fucking NIGHTMARE for anybody to fight at lightweight.
Agreed....Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I would really phrase it like this though personally...
ODH in his prime had the ability to beat any other fighter of his weight class (147 was his best) in history....Also vice versa as the same could be said for Floyd...
They both rank up in the atg class with the greats including the super fighters at WW of the 80's..
It would just depend on who had the better night,,,,Not the same can be said for every fighter...These guys sit in a very elite class that has very few people among them....
Leonard, Hearns, Robinson, Griffin, Cuevas etc
Agreed....Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I would really phrase it like this though personally...
ODH in his prime had the ability to beat any other fighter of his weight class (147 was his best) in history....Also vice versa as the same could be said for Floyd...
They both rank up in the atg class with the greats including the super fighters at WW of the 80's..
It would just depend on who had the better night,,,,Not the same can be said for every fighter...These guys sit in a very elite class that has very few people among them....
Leonard, Hearns, Robinson, Griffith, Cuevas etc
i'm one of the few who've been defending Mayweather, so might wanna read up a bit more before you end up with your foot in your mouth like you usually do, Marquez is the better fighter of the two when they're at an equal field, and especially now that the roid speculations are buzzing around, Mayweather at 130 isn't the Mayweather of today, so it's not farfetched to believe that the Morales that fought at 130 would have beaten the Mayweather that fought at 130, Castillo basically beat him the first time around, and Castillo couldn't hold Morales' jockstrap when it came down to actual skill, your love for both fighters always leads to the same thing, you saying that both are invincible :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethWatch Oscar against Mayorga and then show me a more dominant fight for Oscar's jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdude that's the biggest load of bullshit, i can count the number of times a prime Oscar was hurt on one hand, he had a great chin and could take loads of punishment and yet still be effectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
DLH's jab used to be a lot crisper when he was younger and he wouldn't just put it in your face, he would jab to the pit of the stomach and straight back to the head, pretty much what Mayweather did to Corrales
his speed was just as good as Mayweather's and his power was a lot better
if he'd pace himself he'd be able to rough up Mayweather enough to win a decision
You attack my validity, but you try and say that Oscar was ever as fast as Mayweather? That's a fucking joke. Just ask Genaro Hernandez who was faster, Mayweather is a lot faster than Oscar as was Mosley.
Oscar did have a great chin throughout his career, but punches did bother him more when he was younger. I can name the amount of times Mosley stunned him on one hand, but if you add up all the fights he was hurt a few times. Either way Mayweather couldn't stop Oscar in any version except maybe the one who faced Pacquiao.
But you're hate for Floyd and Manny is known by everyone on here. Just a little while ago you were arguing with me about how Marquez was better than Pacquiao. How MOrales would beat Mayweather at 130. Yet every time you are proven wrong.
Castillo is a sure in for the hall of fame, was one of the very best body pucnhers ever produced out of Mexico, he had power, he was the king of hte lightweight division for quite a few years if you exclude his fights with Mayweather. Castillo wasn't as skilled as Morales, but he wasn't as skilled as Genaro Hernandez or Diego Corrales either, and they both fought a younger version of Mayweather who beat them much more decisively.
We have seen even in the Ward-Kessler fight among many others what happens when a guy who is orthodox in every fashion, like a traditional mexican boxer tries to fight a slick moving boxer. It almost never goes well for the orthodox fighter because they can't cover the distance quickly enough, and the outside is where their true effectiveness isn't on the very outside, its more at medium range.
To boot physically Mayweather was far superior to how he fights now. He had way more p4p power, probably a little more speed as well, and he was almost as slick as he is now. He would have picked Morales apart from the outside for 12 rounds, just watch the Raheem fight who is the closest guy to Mayweather's style that I saw MOrales face. Sure Morales was old, but Zahir doesn't hold a candle to Floyd.
This is what I always thought too, and I've said before that I've wondered how much ODLH's pride cost him in two of the biggest fights at the end of his career. Maybe Taeth is right and it was PBF's right counters that put an end to ODLH's jab, but somehow I got the impression that Oscar was too self-conscious to win a fight on his jab alone. It just seemed like he thought he had to land more impressive punches to not have people be disappointed or critical.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanchez786
Then as evidence that that idea is not so far fetched, he comes in light and doesn't rehydrate after weigh-in for Pac...
So, I actually think it was in his power to win the fight he actually had with PBF, unless Taeth really is right about the counters making him shy away from the jab.
Morales I am not going to continue this because, this isn't what the board is about. If you want to argue something that is fine, but we don't need to be name calling. It does nothing to further one's opinion. I'm trying not to do that anymore.
Boys. Play nice now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
lol, dunno where i resorted to name calling, the known touchy one has always been Taeth hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyBoys. Play nice now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I just don't want it to turn in to one of 'those' threads ;)
If oscar or anybody else could have beat floyd they would have, second, third, fourth fight wouldn't have made any difference. Maybe if oscar kept the same trainer for longer than a week he could have come up with something different, but i doubt better. Oscar didn't jab, block, hook, or flat out win because floyd was better than him it's that simple. All the i got tired and any other excuse is just that.
yea the Pac fans been doing enough of that on every other threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
No. Floyd beats Oscar at any weight class.
dude the question is if a prime DLH could have beaten Mayweather, and you can't honestly say that Floyd beat the DLH at his best, at 147 and in his prime the fight would have been completely differentQuote:
Originally Posted by Mar
over throwing the jab ? does such a thing exist ? the more oscar uses his jab the better, he was more succesful against floyd when he used it and it seemed to offset floyds rythem, according to roach oscar had an injury in his shoulder which is why he stopped using the jabQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.
Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.
Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.
and naturally smaller ? he was struggling to make weight around the time of the trinidad fight onwards and should have probably already moved up to 154 by then, he was still the same height obviously so i would love to know how he was smalled back then .....
and when has oscar been hurt ? he was caught cold a few times early in his career but barley even wobbled at 147 or 154.... and unlike floyd he fought some of the biggest punchers and best fighters around at the time ...
All i can add to this is Oscar fought Chavez, Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad and Mosley all within 3 years. I don't see that level of competition on PBF's resume at 147lb.
My pointless post in a pointless thread.
"YES" Oscar could have beaten.
Baldomir was the lineal champ though ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Watch Oscar against Mosley his jab wasn't that effective because he was trying to throw 2 or 3 at a time and that slows you're forward progress which you can't do against a really fast fighter. Oscar was smaller when he fought at 154 against Mosley and the rest simply because he hadn't settled into the weight as fully as when he came back down from Middleweight when he became basically as big as a 154 pounder can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonover throwing the jab ? does such a thing exist ? the more oscar uses his jab the better, he was more succesful against floyd when he used it and it seemed to offset floyds rythem, according to roach oscar had an injury in his shoulder which is why he stopped using the jabQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.
Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.
Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.
and naturally smaller ? he was struggling to make weight around the time of the trinidad fight onwards and should have probably already moved up to 154 by then, he was still the same height obviously so i would love to know how he was smalled back then .....
and when has oscar been hurt ? he was caught cold a few times early in his career but barley even wobbled at 147 or 154.... and unlike floyd he fought some of the biggest punchers and best fighters around at the time ...
The reason ODLH stopped throwing the jab, was because he was getting tagged with right hands over the top. And ODLH was rocked a few times by Floyd Mayweather Jr, so he become more cautious with the jab, which in turn is why Floyd Mayweather Jr took tactical command in the later rounds.
As for prime for prime ? i still think Floyd Mayweather Jr wins, he had a great jab at the lower weightclasses, he was more offensive, had more power, and was even quicker.
If a prime ODLH was totally out jabbed by Ike Quartey, and was totally confused by a on the slide Pernell Whitaker's defensive skills. Then for certain Floyd Mayweather Jr takes it again.
Remember Floyd Mayweather Jr wasn't at his best weight above Welterweight, and ODLH had a huge weight advantage something like 1 stone.