It seems to me that Mayweather's mud slinging has stuck, people are starting to now question Pac's amazing achievments in our beloved sport.
So pretty simple poll really, do you think Pacman has used PED's?
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It seems to me that Mayweather's mud slinging has stuck, people are starting to now question Pac's amazing achievments in our beloved sport.
So pretty simple poll really, do you think Pacman has used PED's?
I'm actually a bit surprised that Mayweather's accusation has had as much traction as it has. Pacquiao's reaction is probably the main reason, but it's still surprising.
As for the question, do I think Pacquiao is cheating? Maybe, but if he is I'm positive it isn't to a greater degree than the majority of other high-level boxers.
No doubt what's so ever
He's not a drug cheat, he's just being stupid! ;D
I can't say yes, because there is no evidence, however I can't say no either because his unwillingness to provide a definitive test to prove or disprove his innocence when there is the potential highest profitability fight at stake makes him a little more than suspicious.
I would definitely hope not for the sake of the Filipino people and boxing but nothing would surprise me when millions of pounds are at stake. The arguments that have been made about Manny moving through the weights could be used against Floyd also, Snr seems to be very verbal about peds and roids, maybe he knows of other fighters using and cant believe that Manny can be on the same athletic level as his own son or maybe Floyd Jnr is on a new ped that's not on the olympic testing radar yet. It has been very interesting reading some of the links on this board regarding peds, there seems to be new drugs that are being developed all the time and the testers are always one step behind, with millions of pounds at stake for all the big fights you could not bet that all the fights would be olympic clean, who knows how many top boxers are using. Do I think Manny's a user, no I just think he is a freak of nature just like Jnr, both should be made to supply urine daily and blood every three days, until 7 days, out then just urine and blood straight after the fight, then we might have a clean fight, you gotta think though, these old great boxers from many years ago when there where no tests at all, could of been taking all sorts of stimulants.
It's pretty obvious The Flips know he's juicing. Which is why they all have banded together in an attempt to hide the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Duke
I'd say no and give him the benefit of the doubt.
I mean if I was Pac and I was innocent, I'd drag this on like he is doing and give Floyd nothing else to demand or request and then agree to the tests late in the negotiations.
If I was Pac and I knew I was guilty, I'd drag this on as long as possible too and then try and figure a way around the testing or a way to carry on juicing.
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If I was Pac and I knew I was guilty, I'd drag this on as long as possible too and then try and figure a way around the testing or a way to carry on juicing
Which is what Pac seems to be doing:rolleyes:.
If Pac is a drug cheat, then so all the NSAC fighters that they've tested.
A lot of them probably are.
Said it before and I'll say it again: welcome to the world of profesional sports.
For the sake of boxing I hope he isn't... but the way he has behaved has raised serious question marks.
i agree with you. i think its this whole pride thing with him not wanting mayweather to dictate the terms. he didnt think it would go this far and he didnt want to eat his words.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
we are not known for drugs my friend. maybe you should look at the mirror.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt's pretty obvious The Flips know he's juicing. Which is why they all have banded together in an attempt to hide the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Duke
I hope for Cotto's sake that he's not. Although, reasoning tells me that he is. Between his erratic behavior dealing with the testing request, suspicious comments coming from his team and his super-human physical oddities I have to go with a 'yes' at this point. Any one of those reasons would cause me to be suspicious, but combined they're very hard to ignore. If we miss out on this March 13 fight because he's still refusing the tests, I will have made up my mind. :eek:
Pretty much the way I am thinking too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Positive or not, the actions of him and his camp have left me cynical. He could have handled this so much better and instead he is acting like a retard. I'm bored with it all now. All we wanted was a fight and instead we got a low budget BBC drama.
I've become a fan of Pacquiao (see: DLH, Hatton) because of his humility, and the new fans he's brought to boxing. (The fact that he humiliated DLH and slaughtered Hatton doesn't hurt, either). BUT... public perception is critical in professional sports, such as boxing. And truthfully, no matter HOW annoying Camp Mayweather is with all their outlandish requests (and I don't like Mayweather's blatant ducking record, either)... the truth of the matter is that the public now perceives Pacquiao as having something to hide. Hey... if you're clean, you shouldn't object to ANY kind of testing. And please don't use the lame excuse that a test tube full of blood taken before the fight is going to drain you and cause you to lose. That's an insult to our intelligence. If you REALLY want to fight PBF and you're clean... accept the damn testing and let's get on with it. But by not accepting it, the public perception - rightly or wrongly - is that Pac is a drug cheat. Such is the truth about public perception.
Well , i cant say yes , but if he don't accept to make the test , probably create a doubt and a bad perception in all what he reached , why he wont make the test ? , because if he doesn't have any done with drugs he can demonstrate to the world that theres no suspicious , in this case he can Shot the Mayweather mouth , so IMO is sad to hear this , but now i think he have to make something take out this spot , he is a good boxer and i wont see that this issue convert as the same as Margacheato did :(
I'm having my suspicions about Pac-man right now. But I'm not going to say he's using anything until he's actually found guilty.
i'm in the same position that i was in when Margarito was caught, i'm not really sure if Pacquiao is cheating, and i'm not one to fully throw the claim of calling a man a cheater, especially when it affects his means to make a living, right now it looks bad, but i won't say that he is cheating or not, i think theres a clear possibility especially given how he's handling the situation, but right now it's pretty back and forth
Hello all,
This is my first post and thought I would add my opinion.
My thoughts mirror a couple of other posters on here. For the sake of boxing I really hope he hasn't been taking PED's. Boxing seems to be rising in popularity at the minute and Manny is one of the reasons for this. If he's guilty of taking PED's then it will really tarnish this sport.
Manny's been in some great fights and I've come to admire him for the way he fights and his behaviour outside of the ring. For me, there is still no conclusive evidence that PAC has been taking anything other than a few people making some noises. That's not enough to go on for me to call someone a cheat. However his reluctance to take these tests does raise some eyebrows and the fuss that he's kicking up certainly looks like someone who "may" have something to hide. He could have other motives for not wanting to take the tests. I'm not a professional athlete so I wouldn't understand these, but to me, they do seem pretty feeble excuses.
I don't have the first idea about PED's and testing but hasn't Manny come out and said he will give 3 blood tests? One when the fight is announced, one 30 days before the fight and the last one coming straight after the fight? I'm sure someone who is more clued up on PED's might put me straight here but if the statement PAC said was true about taking the 3 tests is there anyway he could take PED's between training, flush it out of his system 30 days before the fight and then take them again and flush them out in time for after the fight without being detected?
Ultimately it seems like a lot of fuss other something fairly insignificant but I'm of the stance that someone is innocent until proven guilty. Manny hasn't been found guilty of taking PED's and although his attitude to this is somewhat strange I'm going to say (and hope - for the sake of boxing) that PAC is innocent.
I'm still confident this fight will go ahead!! Come on Manny, sort it out!
Welcome to Saddoboxing hope you enjoy your stay. The specifics of cycling certain PEDs have been listed on other posts here recently and should be very easy to find. I think we share the same viewpoint on Pacquiao. I just hope Manny takes the random blood tests which are really no big deal and we get the fight made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrislfc17
I've deleted a couple of posts - please keep personal insults etc. off the main boards.
There's no way Manny has taken enhanced drugs during his domination of fights,he's not the type.Plus with the days when Roy Jones Junior being caught taking enhanced drugs during flutuating in weights throughout his carrer i cant see Roach and Manny risking taking drugs.For me Mayweather knows how to get under his opponants skin and its working on Manny this time around,Mayweather knows it would cause upraw and he knows that the only opponant that can beat him is Manny!
Yvonne, I agree with you that Floyd is smart but I think you're giving him WAY too much credit on this one. This goes back to what one of the posters said earlier. This is a pride thing. This is about Manny not wanting Floyd to dictate to him what he has to do. That's why they're taking this to the NSAC. From what I've been reading, Golden Boy will state their case before the NSAC as to why they want this random blood testing done and who they want it done by, then Manny's camp will state their case. Whatever the NSAC decides after that, I've read, Manny will adhere to. He just wants it coming from a boxing governing body, not Floyd. In some instances I'm not sure I blame Manny for being a little paranoid. Golden Boy is becoming (or has already become) the new Don King.
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This is about Manny not wanting Floyd to dictate to him what he has to do
Which is a bit foolish considernig all the demands Manny asks for. He did the same vs Miguel Cotto.
The truth is no one knows except him and his camp. Hell it's possible floyd is using for all it's worth. But pac's actions sure look shady...
Shady is an understatement at this point, PAC has officially taken legal action instead having a tiny bit of blood drawn. In a case that has no way of winning, because the only way to prove or disprove his innocence lies in Pac's blood. I guess with the NSAC requiring a urine test in less than two days it was important for Team Pac to get the legal action moving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
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Originally Posted by killersheepShady is an understatement at this point, PAC has officially taken legal action instead having a tiny bit of blood drawn. In a case that has no way of winning, because the only way to prove or disprove his innocence lies in Pac's blood. I guess with the NSAC requiring a urine test in less than two days it was important for Team Pac to get the legal action moving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
im with you on this one. but i think he will win. theres no way to prove yet that he's taking anything and theres no proof for big mouth floyd sr to accuse manny of anything and he made his accusations public through fighthype and other sites.thats the proof that manny will use against him.anyway, i have a feeling manny will agree to testing once this lawsuit gains momentum. many of you here think that manny is dumb coz his english is not that great but he is as smart if not smarter than the mayweather camp put together. i think that he is pissed at floyd sr about the accusation and he wants to milk him dry. the fight will happen. maybe not on march 13 but it will happen.
I don't think Manny's dumb, I think he's hiding something.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepShady is an understatement at this point, PAC has officially taken legal action instead having a tiny bit of blood drawn. In a case that has no way of winning, because the only way to prove or disprove his innocence lies in Pac's blood. I guess with the NSAC requiring a urine test in less than two days it was important for Team Pac to get the legal action moving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
im with you on this one. but i think he will win. theres no way to prove yet that he's taking anything and theres no proof for big mouth floyd sr to accuse manny of anything and he made his accusations public through fighthype and other sites.thats the proof that manny will use against him.anyway, i have a feeling manny will agree to testing once this lawsuit gains momentum. many of you here think that manny is dumb coz his english is not that great but he is as smart if not smarter than the mayweather camp put together. i think that he is pissed at floyd sr about the accusation and he wants to milk him dry. the fight will happen. maybe not on march 13 but it will happen.
What's his gain here? Bleed em dry? NO the max he takes out of this case in his pocket is $375k that's nothing to these guys ($75k per accused, 5 total).
Pacquiao either
A. Didn't really want to fight in the first place
or
B. Has something to hide
Why else would he go to court instead of the ring?
I can't think of anything more infuriating than if someone were to make a false allegation against me, which would make me want to knock them out. Unfortunately I would go to jail if I did so. Manny, however, has the luxury of doing just that and not only at the expense of avoiding prison time, but picking up an extra $40 million. The fact that he's not jumping at the chance to get in the ring now with Floyd leads me to believe he's taking something.
Well said. Any mofo in this sport could be using, but the spotlight is in Pac's corner now, and it doesn't look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt's pretty obvious The Flips know he's juicing. Which is why they all have banded together in an attempt to hide the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Duke
Everything you say is verbal diarea!
no
Well it matters not if all other fighters are using PEDs. All other fighters are not in this negotiation. This is about MP and PBF. If the consensus is that all other boxers as using roids as an enhancement, the more reason to upgrade the testing process in a mega fight that will focus full attention on the issue
The supporters of MP have no leg to stand upon. It is looney to criticize PBF for raising bar that he also has to hurdle. If MP will be weakened by the taking of blood close to the fight, then so too will PBF. Perhaps there should be a condition that any ranom testing must be of both fighters at the same time.
This issue has become like Hans Christian Anderson's tale about the Emperor and his invisible garments. MP is the Emperor, and his trainer and promoter represent the tailor who has adorned him with magnificent garments that they claim can only be seen by the most knowledgeable of Boxing fans. PBF, GBP and PM represent the little kid standing and pointing at the Emperor's nakedness, and shouting this out for all to hear. :)
Anybody who followed baseball through the steriod scandals can see the same pattern here. The outraged denials pointing to the fact that they'd never tested positive previously. The claims that the improved performance-weight gain was just down to hard work in the gym. The existence of a "personal trainer" who appeared the same time that the performance started to improve. The retreat behind lawyers, the issuing of lawsuits. The ridiculous excuses when facts come out, scared of needles, weakened by losing a teaspoon of blood etc. I've seen this movie before.