-
The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto
I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto
I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.
hahaha.. you're the fraud.. you think people would believe you're a pac fan? now.. maybe you have a drinking and drug problem that you forgot you've been bashing pac here all this time.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
josef4334
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto
I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.
hahaha.. you're the fraud.. you think people would believe you're a pac fan? now.. maybe you have a drinking and drug problem that you forgot you've been bashing pac here all this time.
Maybe there is some bias there, but do you really think insulting him is making Pac look any less guilty? No. Pac's done this all to himself. Take the damn random tests and lets see a clean fight.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
josef4334
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto
I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.
hahaha.. you're the fraud.. you think people would believe you're a pac fan? now.. maybe you have a drinking and drug problem that you forgot you've been bashing pac here all this time.
There's a difference between fan and groupie. Your a groupie. Which is why you continue to defend his dirty ass. And I got no doubt what's so ever you will continue to defend and try and justify his actions when a test comes back dirty. It's the sort of mindless groupie you are. But not me. As much as it pains me to do, I got to call it the way it is. Pacquiao is a dirty cheat. Any true Boxing fan can see that. There is no room in the sport for a cheating biitch like Pacquiao. But that's something I don't expect a mindless individual like yourself to comprehend.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
If this were Floyd refusing to take a test; I would think that the story would be bigger than it is now...I could only imagine all the Gayweather; ducking; steroid user; blah blah; it would be nuts...this uproar is mild in comparison if the shoe were on the other foot.
I mean this is Boxing; and the whole point of the sport is to beat the other person into submission; or to inflict more damage on your foe than he can inflict upon you. This is not track & field, cycling, or baseball; this is contact sport where people have been killed or maimed for life. Even in Football you have Helmets and Pads. That being said; if there is ANY sport where the utmost care must be taken to avoid cheating it is the sweet science. Cheating in this sport can kill someone.
Testing negative throughout your career means bupkus. I say if there is a way to be certain (as certain as one can be), I say do it. SSM, Roy Jones, Vargas, Holyfield were all reportedly looking for that something extra found in a syringe.
Quick question; was Manny considered the second best Fighter of All Time behind Sugar Ray Robinson before beating ODLH, Hatton, and Cotto? Where did he rank on the all-time lists? In my humble opinion that is where the ??? arise. Any athlete in a sport like boxing that improves that dramatically while getting older is going to raise a brow in this day and age of the so-called "Steroid Era". Barry Bonds was a ATG player; but wanted to become legendary; Mark McGwire was a decent player, but wanted more; Marion Jones was an elite athlete in D1 basketball and Track and Field, who wanted more. A-Rod; Roger Clemens; Rafael Palmeiro, Andy Petite, Manny Ramirez were all wonderful athletes , who wanted more...I say take the test Pac; and put all the questions to rest; beat the hell out of Floyd, then File your Lawsuit. If not; and it really doesn't matter because I am a regular "Joe" but I will always wonder if your recent exploits in the ring were done with a little assistance.
All I want to see is a good match between two people that are relying solely on skill and conditioning go head to head to see whose skill and conditioning is superior. Quite frankly; I think Floyd is the better fighter, however, if Pac beats the Sh** out of him; it is not going to change my life one bit; I will still have to drag my A** to work the following Monday.
Anyhow; I hope the fight moves forward; but if it doesn't fine; I will do something else with my 50 bucks..
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TheBranMan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
josef4334
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto
I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.
hahaha.. you're the fraud.. you think people would believe you're a pac fan? now.. maybe you have a drinking and drug problem that you forgot you've been bashing pac here all this time.
Maybe there is some bias there, but do you really think insulting him is making Pac look any less guilty? No. Pac's done this all to himself. Take the damn random tests and lets see a clean fight.
That's the difference. Me and you see things as Boxing fans. Josephina sees things as a groupie. He can't understand rational thinking.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
VD you have been a Pac hater as long as I have known you on the board. Which is fine, except you claim not to be. You are turning into a Danny about something that you can not affect the outcome of.
If you need proof: you removed a man from your pound for pound list completely on an accusation that he is on steroids. Even if he was on steroids it wouldn't merit removal from that list completely.
I know it sucks man to have the one sanctuary in your life bombarded by Pac lovers but being obsessive over something that could have been described in one sentence such as: "It is my opinion that Manny is on performance enhancing drugs, and his failure to comply with blood test demands puts doubt over his entire career." ...makes you seem a bit creepy.
Side note: Should the title be Reevaluation, instead of revaluation?
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
VD you have been a Pac hater as long as I have known you on the board. Which is fine, except you claim not to be. You are turning into a Danny about something that you can not affect the outcome of.
If you need proof: you removed a man from your pound for pound list completely on an accusation that he is on steroids. Even if he was on steroids it wouldn't merit removal from that list completely.
I know it sucks man to have the one sanctuary in your life bombarded by Pac lovers but being obsessive over something that could have been described in one sentence such as: "It is my opinion that Manny is on performance enhancing drugs, and his failure to comply with blood test demands puts doubt over his entire career." ...makes you seem a bit creepy.
Side note: Should the title be Reevaluation, instead of revaluation?
haha, so you are learning something in law school.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto
I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.
;D funny thread!
should Mosley not be stricken from your list as well though ;)
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
I always been a massive Pacquiao fan.
So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto
I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back
.
:VD: __________________________________________________ ____
:liar:____________________________________________ _________
:LOLATYOU: _________ :pointsnew: _________ :moon: _________ :bag: :rofmaoal:
:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolh aha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:: lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Mosley was proven to have used steroid and yet he was treated like it wasn't his fault but pac on mere suspicion was treated guilty.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
I think its safe to say Pac engenders much more passion in his fans than PBF. PBF, like Sweat Pea, is a great technician but hardly a passionate fighter. Indeed, PBF's abrasive personality further alienates him from fans above and beyond his cold scientific tactics. He's not a charismatic crossover star like Ali, SRL, or ODLH; nor is he a human highlight real like roy jones. If anything, he's not given the benefit of the doubt...because he not that likeable.
Pac in contrast is like JCC: a valiant warrior who taps into the primitive appeal that is boxing. On top of that he has a huge nationalistic and identity based following, very similar to Chavez. I think its therefore very difficult for Pac fans to see the situation objectively. There's too much emotion involved.
I find it very unlikely, short of new developments, that history will blame PBF if this fight fails to materialize. Regardless or whether or not we think Pac is cheating, and I don't think he is, his legacy will take a great hit if he fails to fight his most worthy opponent.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Waleed
Mosley was proven to have used steroid and yet he was treated like it wasn't his fault but pac on mere suspicion was treated guilty.
You have already established you don't care about others views on here. So now that that's out of the way we are looking at Mayweather's camp. Mayweather's father thinks Pacquiao is using PEDs. Wouldn't it stand to reason to request a test to prove otherwise?
I agree stricter drug testing should be in place for people that have tested positive OR been indicted on PED charges, like Jones Jr., Mosley etc. etc..
And at the heart of this we are getting back to stricter drug testing should be implemented sport wide. Remember Mosley never tested positive, even though we know for a fact he was using PEDs, and that was using the same standard as they are using for this fight.
Why would you not want better tests to prove that athletes are fighting clean?
The argument that this has never been done before in boxing is a weak one as well because, guess what? The people making, masking and using PEDs in more sophisticated methods every day making current methods not quite obsolete, but less reliable. Drug testing is and always will be aimed at a moving target. If the method is not improved, constantly reevaluated and updated to keep up with the times it becomes practically useless.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
:vd: The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue
http://www.celsias.com/media/uploads/admin/fishing2.jpg
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto
I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.
This post is interesting on many levels. You are assuming he is guilty and he must prove that he's innocent. I assume you are American so it's interesting you have this viewpoint which is opposite of the 'innocent until proven guilty' norm. I beleive Pac has passed every drug test he's taken. Refusal to take additional test mandated from your opponent is not an admission of guilt
You also say that that Pac is a fraud for not taking blood tests. Using that logic, I beleive you would have to remove everyone including Floyd from your list. How many fights has Floyd had where he was subject to random blood tests? I think none but I may be wrong. He could very easily have been cycling on and off PED's through his career but just not be on them now - we'll never know. THat applys to everyone on the list.
I agree that blood testing should become standard practice in boxing - it's insane that it's not. But this should be done at the commission level.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TheBranMan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
josef4334
hahaha.. you're the fraud.. you think people would believe you're a pac fan? now.. maybe you have a drinking and drug problem that you forgot you've been bashing pac here all this time.
Maybe there is some bias there, but do you really think insulting him is making Pac look any less guilty? No. Pac's done this all to himself. Take the damn random tests and lets see a clean fight.
That's the difference. Me and you see things as Boxing fans. Josephina sees things as a groupie. He can't understand rational thinking.
The Pac groupies are pretty bad, but the Hatton ones are not so far behind.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Manny is not guilty till he get caught. However, if ever he refuses any blood test at a normal period to detect substances, he'll raise questions eternally over his case and that, for some seriously right reasons. Till I see if he accepts or not, I won't say he's a cheat, just that he raises lot of eyebrows.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
"I always been a massive Pacquiao fan"
ahahaha you just made yourself look like a clown man! people dont respect you here for being a badmouth pacfan hating scum. congratulations you are now a clown too!
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Nameless
Manny is not guilty till he get caught. However, if ever he refuses any blood test at a normal period to detect substances, he'll raise questions eternally over his case and that, for some seriously right reasons. Till I see if he accepts or not, I won't say he's a cheat, just that he raises lot of eyebrows.
The fact that he rather enter the courtroom instead of the ring speaks volumes.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TheBranMan
Quote:
Originally Posted by
josef4334
hahaha.. you're the fraud.. you think people would believe you're a pac fan? now.. maybe you have a drinking and drug problem that you forgot you've been bashing pac here all this time.
Maybe there is some bias there, but do you really think insulting him is making Pac look any less guilty? No. Pac's done this all to himself. Take the damn random tests and lets see a clean fight.
That's the difference. Me and you see things as Boxing fans. Josephina sees things as a groupie. He can't understand rational thinking.
calling me josephina? hahaha. you're just mad coz you forgot to log off and use your alt. now everybody thinks your a clown. dig a hole and bury yourself!
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Did I mention how pissed I am?
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
killersheep
Quote:
Originally Posted by
josef4334
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
That's the difference. Me and you see things as Boxing fans. Josephina sees things as a groupie. He can't understand rational thinking.
calling me josephina? hahaha. you're just mad coz you forgot to log off and use your alt. now everybody thinks your a clown. dig a hole and bury yourself!
Do all of you guys from Philboxing.com copy and paste these reponses?
wow. just because im filipino i post at philboxing too? and show me a post that is similar to what i just wrote. i know you want to be VD's bestfriend so im cool with that.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
I feel that this is a bit of a whooossshhh moment lol
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
The reason I think Pac is sguilty is cuz he wouldnt have let it get this far if he was innocent. Fair enough he didnt wana give in at the negotiating table but then he came up with all sorts of excuses and his bahviour suggests he has someting to hide. He would rather walk away from the fight than prove his innocence. Something dodgy going on there. Foreman should make him get tested too if he values his health.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
I also have become disillusioned with Pacquiao's bizare refusal to submit to random blood test.
Everyone just wants a fair fight.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
It does pretty much look apparent that Pacquiao is taking PEDs but I will hold at 'Inocent until proven otherwise'...
For all we know(which is highly unlikely do to the brutal mud dragging that his reputation is going through) he is just breaking Floyd's balls(again, highly unlikely)
I'm not one to accuse when there is no proof except the fact there's no proof...
The only thing we're going on is the fact that he's not taking the tests as Mayweather wants him to. It pains me to see it as it's making him look like a cheater that could put the blackest eye on boxing in a long time which is exactly JUST what the sport DOES NOT need.
If he would just adhere to the tests we could be done with all this... Why would he not?... The only answer I can come up with is cuz he's cheating...
But I cannot call him a cheater until it's proven.
Until then Pacquiao will sit attop my P4P list reluctantly.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
It does pretty much look apparent that Pacquiao is taking PEDs but I will hold at 'Inocent until proven otherwise'...
For all we know(which is highly unlikely do to the brutal mud dragging that his reputation is going through) he is just breaking Floyd's balls(again, highly unlikely)
I'm not one to accuse when there is no proof except the fact there's no proof...
The only thing we're going on is the fact that he's not taking the tests as Mayweather wants him to. It pains me to see it as it's making him look like a cheater that could put the blackest eye on boxing in a long time which is exactly JUST what the sport DOES NOT need.
If he would just adhere to the tests we could be done with all this... Why would he not?... The only answer I can come up with is cuz he's cheating...
But I cannot call him a cheater until it's proven.
Until then Pacquiao will sit attop my P4P list reluctantly.
The fact remains "Pacquiao is not fighting because of a drug test", if this was because of defamation of character the negotiations for the fight would not have even had a chance to start because Mayweather Sr.'s statement was made after the Hatton fight.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
killersheep
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
It does pretty much look apparent that Pacquiao is taking PEDs but I will hold at 'Inocent until proven otherwise'...
For all we know(which is highly unlikely do to the brutal mud dragging that his reputation is going through) he is just breaking Floyd's balls(again, highly unlikely)
I'm not one to accuse when there is no proof except the fact there's no proof...
The only thing we're going on is the fact that he's not taking the tests as Mayweather wants him to. It pains me to see it as it's making him look like a cheater that could put the blackest eye on boxing in a long time which is exactly JUST what the sport DOES NOT need.
If he would just adhere to the tests we could be done with all this... Why would he not?... The only answer I can come up with is cuz he's cheating...
But I cannot call him a cheater until it's proven.
Until then Pacquiao will sit attop my P4P list reluctantly.
The fact remains "Pacquiao is not fighting because of a drug test", if this was because of defamation of character the negotiations for the fight would not have even had a chance to start because Mayweather Sr.'s statement was made after the Hatton fight.
Indeed.
I just can't be ripping guys off my P4P list due to allegations, though. I recognize this and I do, in fact, think he's hiding something... But with no proof, I need to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not fair to be witch hunting and tossing people into rivers to see if they float without proof. Do I deep down think he's taking PEDs? At this point in time... Yes. But again, thinking and knowing are two separate things.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
Quote:
Originally Posted by
killersheep
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
It does pretty much look apparent that Pacquiao is taking PEDs but I will hold at 'Inocent until proven otherwise'...
For all we know(which is highly unlikely do to the brutal mud dragging that his reputation is going through) he is just breaking Floyd's balls(again, highly unlikely)
I'm not one to accuse when there is no proof except the fact there's no proof...
The only thing we're going on is the fact that he's not taking the tests as Mayweather wants him to. It pains me to see it as it's making him look like a cheater that could put the blackest eye on boxing in a long time which is exactly JUST what the sport DOES NOT need.
If he would just adhere to the tests we could be done with all this... Why would he not?... The only answer I can come up with is cuz he's cheating...
But I cannot call him a cheater until it's proven.
Until then Pacquiao will sit attop my P4P list reluctantly.
The fact remains "Pacquiao is not fighting because of a drug test", if this was because of defamation of character the negotiations for the fight would not have even had a chance to start because Mayweather Sr.'s statement was made after the Hatton fight.
Indeed.
I just can't be ripping guys off my P4P list due to allegations, though. I recognize this and I do, in fact, think he's hiding something... But with no proof, I need to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not fair to be witch hunting and tossing people into rivers to see if they float without proof. Do I deep down think he's taking PEDs? At this point in time... Yes. But again, thinking and knowing are two separate things.
I'm right there with you man, I have not accused him of taking PEDs, but I think I have made my suspicions brought about by his reactions clear. I'm accusing him of backing out of a fight, choosing the courtroom instead of the ring.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
killersheep
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PRIDE OF BOSTON
Quote:
Originally Posted by
killersheep
The fact remains "Pacquiao is not fighting because of a drug test", if this was because of defamation of character the negotiations for the fight would not have even had a chance to start because Mayweather Sr.'s statement was made after the Hatton fight.
Indeed.
I just can't be ripping guys off my P4P list due to allegations, though. I recognize this and I do, in fact, think he's hiding something... But with no proof, I need to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not fair to be witch hunting and tossing people into rivers to see if they float without proof. Do I deep down think he's taking PEDs? At this point in time... Yes. But again, thinking and knowing are two separate things.
I'm right there with you man, I have not accused him of taking PEDs, but I think I have made my suspicions brought about by his reactions clear. I'm accusing him of backing out of a fight, choosing the courtroom instead of the ring.
Agreed. He's dropping points every day with me as this goes on... and by that I mean respect wise...
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lance Uppercut
I also have become disillusioned with Pacquiao's bizare refusal to submit to random blood test.
Everyone just wants a fair fight.
I'm telling you man, if you're disillusioned, think about how millions of filipino pac supporters are feeling right now. I mean now that manny and his camp are resorting to all kinds of bs just to... hell I don't even know what they hope to accomplish with the path they're taking now. everything's going downhill for them and the steps they're taking aren't helping them out a bit.
I'm still rooting for manny, no doubt about that. Hope he gets through all of this and the tests if they're ever made comes out negative for both of them. I'm not saying this because I want him to be an ATG or even the GOAT. Just thinking about all the poor sods back here in the philippines who's going to get shattered when they learn that their people's champ isn't what they thought he'd be. Sadly, that includes me..
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
arcanum26
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lance Uppercut
I also have become disillusioned with Pacquiao's bizare refusal to submit to random blood test.
Everyone just wants a fair fight.
I'm telling you man, if you're disillusioned, think about how millions of filipino pac supporters are feeling right now. I mean now that manny and his camp are resorting to all kinds of bs just to... hell I don't even know what they hope to accomplish with the path they're taking now. everything's going downhill for them and the steps they're taking aren't helping them out a bit.
I'm still rooting for manny, no doubt about that. Hope he gets through all of this and the tests if they're ever made comes out negative for both of them. I'm not saying this because I want him to be an ATG or even the GOAT. Just thinking about all the poor sods back here in the philippines who's going to get shattered when they learn that their people's champ isn't what they thought he'd be. Sadly, that includes me..
I agree with ya, man.
Interesting note-
I left my RING magazine on my desk at work today that I picked up last night. I don't know if you guys have it yet but the cover pictures Manny with a title "The Secret of Manny's Magic"
Someone, while I was away from my desk, put a sticky note right under the title that simply says, "PEDs".
Now, there's no one at my workplay that is more then a casual boxing fan. This is now hitting the mainstream and waves are being made.
I'm not happy about it one bit.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
you respond with a picture of a man fishing?
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
you respond with a picture of a man fishing?
The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
you respond with a picture of a man fishing?
The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.
Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
you respond with a picture of a man fishing?
The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.
Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of
your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.
:vd: Is it possible for one to actually dedicated themselves full time to school for an extended period of time and actually come out dumber than before? The old booze would of known I was fishing for flips
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
boozeboxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.
Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of
your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.
:vd: Is it possible for one to actually dedicated themselves full time to school for an extended period of time and actually come out dumber than before? The old booze would of known I was fishing for flips
at least he learned not to say "would of" and racist terms such as flips.
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Law school must rob you of the ability to grasp even the most obvious of sarcasm. Is that Booze or Bruce?
-
Re: The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following
1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto
I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.
With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...
