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I was thinking about this at work today. Which fighters have been seen their reputations and status improved and build based on defeats?
The first ones that came to mind we Juan Manuel Marquez (Pacquiao x2) and Luis Collazo. Maybe Rocky Juarez? Edison Miranda (Abraham)?
Sergio Martinez (against Williams), Paulie Malignaggi (against Cotto) and definately Rogers Mtagwa (against JML).Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Good call, can't believe I forgot to list Malignaggi. As for Martinez, I think he'll have some big wins in the future, but I don't think he'll beat Williams (again).Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepSergio Martinez (against Williams), Paulie Malignaggi (against Cotto) and definately Rogers Mtagwa (against JML).Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Vitali against Lennox.
Dennis Andries against Hearns, was totally dismantled then walked into Kronk and asked for help in becoming a better fighter.
Henry Cooper v Ali
Although 'Our 'Enry' won a bunch of domestic titles he is imortalised for landing one of 'Enry's Ammers' on Ali's whiskers and putting him down. Only to get sliced to bits a few minutes later....
Miguel Cotto, he gave us some of the most brutal fights in history, showing a lot of heart. Of his only 2 losses, the first is labeled as a match where he was cheated against, and now the second is also under speculation. An immense amount of heart bestowed in apparently, a very unlucky fighter.
EDIT: I should probably also add that I only became a huge Cotto fan AFTER his loss to Margario. Inspiring stuff.
Rudduck against Tyson.
Some of these we're before my time to I'm listing them as I see it now...
Taylot losing to JCC
Nelson losing to Sanchez
Andrade losing to Mikkel
Torres losing to Chionoi
Palomino losing to Benitez
Jones losing to Ali
Torres losing to Cotto
Collins losing to McCallum
Winky losing to Vasquez
Come on CutMeMick, Nelson and Winky were not defined by those defeats, they went on a defined themselves with brilliant victories.
Holyfield was defined by his first loss to Bowe. Prior to that fight he had a lot of detractors as a heavyweight, at least. He had a tough defense against a billion year old foreman, he ht the canvas against bert cooper, and went the distance with another billion yr old named larry holmes
So it wasn't until the Bowe loss that he earned respect as a heavyweight. Indeed, round 10 defines his career and character to this day.
Foreman to Ali
Tyson to Douglas
Holyfield to Bowe
Oscar to Tito
Gatti to Ward I
Judah to Tszyu
Tarver to Jones
Ruiz to Tua
Hearns to Leonard
Khan to Prescott
Jose Luis Castillo. Because he had Corrales beat, and lost it seconds later, in what I believe is the greatest fight of all time. I've honestly, never enjoyed a fight more.
Paulie vs Cotto. He surprised everyone with his grit.
Collazo against Hatton
and for me Wayne Alexander against Harry Simon.
MAB vs Morales I - maybe?
good call 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Tarver to Jones? Really? Tarver had lost before Jones and in the rematch he smoked Roy. I wouldn't call that a defining loss. The Tyson-Douglas one, either. Mike was lazy, I would say a defining loss came when a fighter did everything he could do and acquitted himself well. Mike did a tenth of what he could do and got swatted like a fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
McClellan vs Benn...it's sad but it's what he's remembered for and I'll just go ahead and say all the other fighters who got permenantly injured or died in the ring were usually defined by that happening to them. So I won't list the rest of the tragic fallen, even though I'm no fan of the G-Man, as a guy who has boxed before I respect someone who goes in there and puts it on the line.
Graham vs Jackson....that guy's entire career has been summed up in 1 thunderous punch.
Zab Judah vs Kostya Tszyu, same as above but add in a dance and fighting with the ref and that's Zab Judah.
James Butler vs Richard Grant....the sucker punch was just horrible, surely defined his career IN the ring and showed what type of person he is outside it.
Gerry Cooney vs Larry Holmes...he was a broken man after that fight and never righted the ship professionally.
Andrew Golota vs Riddick Bowe....earned him his nickname "The Foul Pole"
Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield...the ear biting is probably more infamous than Douglas KO-ing him.
If he doesn't shape up soon Pavlik vs Hopkins
John Ruiz, nobody talks about anything other than the way Tua knocked him the fuck out lol
Michael Katsidis
Kermit Cintron
Kessler was the first that came to mind,
In-Jin Chi against Morales
Vargas against Tito
At both ends of the spectrum Bert cooper?Looked legitimized and a serious threat taking three of the better heavys in the world to the brink of stunning defeats,Mercer,Moorer and Champion Holyfield.While Vs Foreman and Carl Williams he went out soft and flat quit.All deats though.
Jake Lamotta
Emanuel Augustus comes to mind, especially vs Ward and Burton.