Enter Foreman

Arum targets 8th world title | Manila Bulletin

"Pacquiao has won titles at flyweight, super-bantam, feather, super-feather, lightweight, light-welter and welter, the first fighter ever to win that number of belts in as many weight classes and the prospects of him shooting for an eighth should tickle just about everyone’s fancy." <- Yes he did say that.

“While Manny wants the Mayweather fight to happen, he will not go to the extent of shaming himself by giving in to his demands for the fight to take place,” said Gacal(Pac's personal lawyer referring to the drug test).


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As mentioned before Yuri Foreman was brought up as a backup plan and is being revisited. The date is 3/20/10 (3 days after Team Pacquiao said they would be unavailable to fight because of political campaign obligations) At the Thomas and Mack Center. Earlier Arum had said he was in negotiations with Malignaggi's people, which Paulie himself said was a lie. They had to change the date and venue because GBP had reserved the MGM Grand on the 13th and since they are being sued they would probably not be too friendly about sharing the venue.

This whole thing has become a cluster fuck and circle jerk all rolled into one. I have never been so excited, and then so sick of 2 people in such a short amount of time. I've decided they're both pricks. Floyd is one for making an unprecedented demand in boxing history, and Manny is one for not going for it after things started to get ridiculous. There's too many people involved here. Promoters, Lawyers, etc...Something tells me that if we seperated both of these guys from their camps and locked them in a room, they'd probably have a deal done in 10 minutes. But I digress. They're both being egosistical assholes and their sport will suffer for it. It's one thing if the sport dies when you leave it, it's another thing to kill it.

So if Floyd legitimately thought Manny might be up to something hinky he shouldn't have asked for a test? I don't see how that was unreasonable. Especially considering they tried to accomodate Pac with respect to leaving testing on the table.

Floyd's an ass. Always has been. I think it's awfully egotistical of someone to think they're bigger than an institution (N.S.A.C.) and ask for extra tests beyond what the N.S.A.C. requires. But leave it up to Floyd to make an UNPRECEDENTED demand. Manny also should have stepped up once it got out of control. But I am starting to see alot of boxing article turn on Floyd where they had been against Pac-man over the past few days.

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Floyd's an ass. Always has been. I think it's awfully egotistical of someone to think they're bigger than an institution (N.S.A.C.) and ask for extra tests beyond what the N.S.A.C. requires. But leave it up to Floyd to make an UNPRECEDENTED demand. Manny also should have stepped up once it got out of control. But I am starting to see alot of boxing article turn on Floyd where they had been against Pac-man over the past few days.

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Pacquiao also made an unprecedented demand in 10 million per pound which for some reason is no big deal

The executive chairman of the NSAC said their tests are what's required but if the fighters want extra testing or medical exams it's up to them and that right has been exercised before.

Pacquiao is clearly to blame for this fight not happening, Mayweather went along with ALL of Pacquiao's demands, Pacquiao cannot say the same. Pacquiao is going to court instead of taking a drug test.

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This whole thing has become a cluster fuck and circle jerk all rolled into one. I have never been so excited, and then so sick of 2 people in such a short amount of time. I've decided they're both pricks. Floyd is one for making an unprecedented demand in boxing history, and Manny is one for not going for it after things started to get ridiculous. There's too many people involved here. Promoters, Lawyers, etc...Something tells me that if we seperated both of these guys from their camps and locked them in a room, they'd probably have a deal done in 10 minutes. But I digress. They're both being egosistical assholes and their sport will suffer for it. It's one thing if the sport dies when you leave it, it's another thing to kill it.

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I have no interest in a fight with Foreman, just like I had no interest in a fight with David Diaz. It's just a way to try and grab another alphabet title off of another relatively unknown belt holder.

Look on the bright side, we both get to see Pacman and Floyd inside the ring for the new year, just not with each other!

Pacman fights Foreman and FLoyd fights M. Hatton. ha ha ha ha

I'm watching Ali-Frazier 1 right now, when boxing matches were easily made and they were grand events, not this sideshow bullshit.

Circle jerk and circus tent atmosphere to this whole affair.Feels just like a bait and switch.Honestly,I think Arum is fooling himself if he thinks Foreman is a given for Pacquiao.He's about as thrilling as grass growing during the winter but he can box and move his azz off,and doesn't mind stinking out the arena if it means piling up points and making you look bad.Improving much also,underrated pop in an under used right hand.Mayweather vs M Hatton...???...guess we know who the real money man is in this much talked about soap opera now.

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Look on the bright side, we both get to see Pacman and Floyd inside the ring for the new year, just not with each other!

Pacman fights Foreman and FLoyd fights M. Hatton. ha ha ha ha

I'm watching Ali-Frazier 1 right now, when boxing matches were easily made and they were grand events, not this sideshow bullshit.

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You know what? I've had that on DVD for fuckin ages and not watched it properly...watched Ali Frazier 3..I'm seeing the new year out with Ali Frazier 1!

Foreman is 5,11" and moves well and dropped Santos in his last fight, I think that could be the step too far strength wise for Pacquiao, could end up like Hatton v Collazo only with alot more running and Manny getting stopped, its a stupid fight for his handlers to take, Foreman is huge compared to Pacquiao hes what? 5" taller?

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Foreman is 5,11" and moves well and dropped Santos in his last fight, I think that could be the step too far strength wise for Pacquiao, could end up like Hatton v Collazo only with alot more running and Manny getting stopped, its a stupid fight for his handlers to take, Foreman is huge compared to Pacquiao hes what? 5" taller?

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Yeah but Santos had the movement of a 200 lb. heavy bag. A good win for Foreman, but Santos looked absolutely awful in that fight, completely immobile and unable to really let his punches go.

Exit Foreman... Stage Left

if pacquiao wins, it's his 8th title in 8 different weight division. pacquiao's achievement in boxing is amazing

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if pacquiao wins, it's his 8th title in 8 different weight division. pacquiao's achievement in boxing is amazing

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it will be a feat in its own right but his image is in question right now. that will just overshadow whatever achievements he will have unless he could prove these people wrong.

Call me crazy but i think Yuri Foreman will give Manny Pacquiao fits, Manny Pacquiao has struggled with counter punchers before. And Yuri Foreman is a very good boxer with very good countering abilities, and he moves around the ring very well and he always keeps to his gameplan.

Plus he has underrated power IMO, i think its because he doesn't sit down on his punches. And he's always constantly moving, that he hasn't got more stoppage wins. Because when he has sat down on his punches like against Daniel Santos, he showed some very good pop.

Plus he is also 5'11 with a reach advantage, and overall physically bigger than Manny Pacquiao. Plus this will be at Jr Middleweight, which is another advantage for Yuri Foreman.

Now obviously im picking Manny Pacquiao, but i wouldn't be shocked if he upset Manny Pacquiao. He doesn't do any one thing special but he's a good all rounder IMO.

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if pacquiao wins, it's his 8th title in 8 different weight division. pacquiao's achievement in boxing is amazing

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it will be a feat in its own right but his image is in question right now. that will just overshadow whatever achievements he will have unless he could prove these people wrong.

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pacquiao, yuri and all other boxers could undergo blood testing in each fight if floyd can successfully lobby/convince boxing commissions to make blood testing as a standard drug testing

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Call me crazy but i think Yuri Foreman will give Manny Pacquiao fits, Manny Pacquiao has struggled with counter punchers before. And Yuri Foreman is a very good boxer with very good countering abilities, and he moves around the ring very well and he always keeps to his gameplan.

Plus he has underrated power IMO, i think its because he doesn't sit down on his punches. And he's always constantly moving, that he hasn't got more stoppage wins. Because when he has sat down on his punches like against Daniel Santos, he showed some very good pop.

Plus he is also 5'11 with a reach advantage, and overall physically bigger than Manny Pacquiao. Plus this will be at Jr Middleweight, which is another advantage for Yuri Foreman.

Now obviously im picking Manny Pacquiao, but i wouldn't be shocked if he upset Manny Pacquiao. He doesn't do any one thing special but he's a good all rounder IMO.

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Totally agree.Think this is a terrible match for Pac with Manny having everything to lose and hardly anything to gain.Unless trinket counting is your thing.Yuri has one and whipped a bloated and spent shell in Santos...but he did what he had to.Looked good doing it.Foreman has been under the radar for the longest largley due to his style and lack of marketability.Martinez should he stay 154 is the man to beat though.He brings the status.

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Foreman is 5,11" and moves well and dropped Santos in his last fight, I think that could be the step too far strength wise for Pacquiao, could end up like Hatton v Collazo only with alot more running and Manny getting stopped, its a stupid fight for his handlers to take, Foreman is huge compared to Pacquiao hes what? 5" taller?

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But with the help of these "PED'S" that Pacquiao uses to get bigger and bigger to take on bigger opposition, this shouldn't be a problem haha... :rolleyes:


If Pac looks awesome physique wise and even fighting/performance wise, wouldn't this raise further suspicion on his "God given abilities" and/or PED use?

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Foreman is 5,11" and moves well and dropped Santos in his last fight, I think that could be the step too far strength wise for Pacquiao, could end up like Hatton v Collazo only with alot more running and Manny getting stopped, its a stupid fight for his handlers to take, Foreman is huge compared to Pacquiao hes what? 5" taller?

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But with the help of these "PED'S" that Pacquiao uses to get bigger and bigger to take on bigger opposition, this shouldn't be a problem haha... :rolleyes:


If Pac looks awesome physique wise and even fighting/performance wise, wouldn't this raise further suspicion on his "God given abilities" and/or PED use?

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questions will always be there. it's also possible pacquiao will again capture fighter of the year honors in 2010, grace the cover of time magazine, ring magazine and other boxing magazines if ever he captures his 8th title in 8 different weight divisions

how i wish that pacman fights yuri. and MP insists that he,pacman be tested -blood and unrine, the way gayweather wanted.

then beat yuri. just so to piss off all pac-haters!!!;D

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Foreman is 5,11" and moves well and dropped Santos in his last fight, I think that could be the step too far strength wise for Pacquiao, could end up like Hatton v Collazo only with alot more running and Manny getting stopped, its a stupid fight for his handlers to take, Foreman is huge compared to Pacquiao hes what? 5" taller?

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But with the help of these "PED'S" that Pacquiao uses to get bigger and bigger to take on bigger opposition, this shouldn't be a problem haha... :rolleyes:


If Pac looks awesome physique wise and even fighting/performance wise, wouldn't this raise further suspicion on his "God given abilities" and/or PED use?

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questions will always be there. it's also possible pacquiao will again capture fighter of the year honors in 2010, grace the cover of time magazine, ring magazine and other boxing magazines if ever he captures his 8th title in 8 different weight divisions

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Really? Not if Pac agreed to randomized testing, tested clean, and had a great performance against PBF...

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how i wish that pacman fights yuri. and MP insists that he,pacman be tested -blood and unrine, the way gayweather wanted.

then beat yuri. just so to piss off all pac-haters!!!;D

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All that would make me do is regard him as a chicken when it came to a fight with Mayweather. Why do a blood test for Foreman and not Mayweather. It doesn't make any sense. He might well fight Foreman, but there will likely be no blood tests.

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how i wish that pacman fights yuri. and MP insists that he,pacman be tested -blood and unrine, the way gayweather wanted.

then beat yuri. just so to piss off all pac-haters!!!;D

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All that would make me do is regard him as a chicken when it came to a fight with Mayweather. Why do a blood test for Foreman and not Mayweather. It doesn't make any sense. He might well fight Foreman, but there will likely be no blood tests.

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Right, but pissing off the "pac-haters" is way more important than getting the more meaningful and desirable fights... :rolleyes:

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But with the help of these "PED'S" that Pacquiao uses to get bigger and bigger to take on bigger opposition, this shouldn't be a problem haha... :rolleyes:


If Pac looks awesome physique wise and even fighting/performance wise, wouldn't this raise further suspicion on his "God given abilities" and/or PED use?

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questions will always be there. it's also possible pacquiao will again capture fighter of the year honors in 2010, grace the cover of time magazine, ring magazine and other boxing magazines if ever he captures his 8th title in 8 different weight divisions

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Really? Not if Pac agreed to randomized testing, tested clean, and had a great performance against PBF...

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is drug testing through blood already a standard test procedure in all boxing commissions? or is it true only for gbp mayweather boxing commission?

questions will always be there. i can even ask if floyd is on peds.

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i can even ask if floyd is on peds.

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Is there a brain cell between you spanners:p

Floyd wants to take tests to prove he isnt, Pacquiao doesnt want to prove anyone wrong because I now firmly believe hes a cheating little cuunt and I hope when its proved he has een cheating that all these fighter and trainer of the year awards are awarded to someone else and all his previous wins are made no contests, it wont though because all the recent cheats have been allowed to carry on as normal, it should all change, lifetime bans should be introduced from now on, thats the only way to clean it all up.

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i can even ask if floyd is on peds.

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Is there a brain cell between you spanners:p

Floyd wants to take tests to prove he isnt, Pacquiao doesnt want to prove anyone wrong because I now firmly believe hes a cheating little cuunt and I hope when its proved he has een cheating that all these fighter and trainer of the year awards are awarded to someone else and all his previous wins are made no contests, it wont though because all the recent cheats have been allowed to carry on as normal, it should all change, lifetime bans should be introduced from now on, thats the only way to clean it all up.

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willing to undergo drug testing doesn't always means that person is absolutely not on illegal substances. it could mean he's just willing to abstain for a while when under test

we can always manufacture sane or stupid questions if we like

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willing to undergo drug testing doesn't always means that person is absolutely not on illegal substances. it could mean he's just willing to abstain for a while when under test

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Not really dopey;D

Over a 2 month period, the training time they will both get RANDOMLY tested, neither of them knows when it will be so both will have to stay clean, Mannys reaction is bizarre for someone who supposedly clean, he and his stupid team have panicked and created a PR disaster, going from fighter of the year to most dispised boxer in a one not very well thought out statement.

I just dont understand it, Manny will be getting paid win or lose, so why even worry about cheating, if he loses, big deal, hes lost before, a few times actually, hes used to it;D

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willing to undergo drug testing doesn't always means that person is absolutely not on illegal substances. it could mean he's just willing to abstain for a while when under test

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Not really dopey;D

Over a 2 month period, the training time they will both get RANDOMLY tested, neither of them knows when it will be so both will have to stay clean, Mannys reaction is bizarre for someone who supposedly clean, he and his stupid team have panicked and created a PR disaster, going from fighter of the year to most dispised boxer in a one not very well thought out statement.

I just dont understand it, Manny will be getting paid win or lose, so why even worry about cheating, if he loses, big deal, hes lost before, a few times actually, hes used to it;D

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pacquiao not only fighter of the year but fighter of the decade.

for $20m you can abstain doping for a while, it's reasonable but from what i understand, it's pacquiao's belief and principle not to give out blood so close to the fight. he's willing to have it 30 (or 24) days before the fight.

$20m can't buy out pacquiao's belief and principle

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it's pacquiao's belief and principle not to give out blood so close to the fight. he's willing to have it 30 (or 24) days before the fight.

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Quit with all the bullshiit, Manny said 30 days but because youv seen video evidence that hes done it 24 days you added that, what are you Mannys spokesman now, all of a sudden hes said he will do it within 30 days is it?

Its Mannys belief that if hes not allowed to cheat he will get his ass kicked;D

Personally I could lay off the epo and take my chances and the ass kicking for the money, mind you, its not just losing I reckon he is worried about, its the fact he will be considered a dirty cheat, he already is so he may as well just bight the bullet and go through with it instead of looking to run away and fight at a higher weight where he will get an ass kicking anyway;D

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it's pacquiao's belief and principle not to give out blood so close to the fight. he's willing to have it 30 (or 24) days before the fight.

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Quit with all the bullshiit, Manny said 30 days but because youv seen video evidence that hes done it 24 days you added that, what are you Mannys spokesman now, all of a sudden hes said he will do it within 30 days is it?

Its Mannys belief that if hes not allowed to cheat he will get his ass kicked;D

Personally I could lay off the epo and take my chances and the ass kicking for the money, mind you, its not just losing I reckon he is worried about, its the fact he will be considered a dirty cheat, he already is so he may as well just bight the bullet and go through with it instead of looking to run away and fight at a higher weight where he will get an ass kicking anyway;D

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not his spokeman ;D

i'm just saying what i understood from the whole situation. imo the fight will still proceed after floyd will do a public apology to clear pacquiao's name, lawsuit then dropped and we have a fight.

fight talk will go through mediation come tuesday.