Hes working with the same people and himself has just gone up a weight, hasnt really changed his style but does seem a little less fragile.
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Hes working with the same people and himself has just gone up a weight, hasnt really changed his style but does seem a little less fragile.
his gone up five pounds...... was probably draining a bit too much to make 135 hence him seeming 'fragile'Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Could be because he's went up in weight?
I know that when Khan first turned pro I wasn't even 12 stone...
Now I fight around 13 stone... I've done NOTHING to increase my weight, it's just went up as I've aged.
Khan is about 10 days older than myself.
Khan has been growing and maturing as a young man. He was still a boy when he turned pro and has naturally got bigger. If he was draining himself to make 135 then going up in weight would be beneficial for him and would actually make him stronger.
Should we label every boxer who ever goes up in weight as a possible cheat? I actually think blood testing in boxing should be the norm not the exception and I actually applaud Mayweather for bringing it up and making it an issue. It's something the boxing organisations need to look into to make this sport safer and rid it of its cheats. If Manny is cheating then you can be sure he isn't the only one doing it. Especially if it's "that easy" to go undetected.
So why not as of today have random blood testing for every fight. Perhaps with the last test being 20 days before the fight and then one straight after the fight. If you refuse the test you don't fight. That would make it a clean and fair sport.
Might as well accuse all Roach fighters at this rate, Toney, Tyson ...you may have a point :-\
Well, come on! If everyones so certain Pacquiao is taking something and Khan is using the same trainer and whatever Ariza is then why wouldnt Khan be taking it?
He could well be, but to use the slant of going up in weight I dont buy that i mean the guy is 5ft 10 inches and has gone up 5 lbs he is maturing into a man.
I think Juicing or not he would of gone up in weight
Lol. Now there's a Khan of worms that doesn't need opening...
At least wait for him to do something remotely superhuman.
Ha ha, nice one;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
I think iv seen a couple of punches actually touch him and he didnt get knocked out or over, I think for him thats bout as superhuman as it gets;D
Roach covered for Toney. He is covering for Pac so it wouldnt surprise me if he was covering for Khan too.
If Pac Man is then Khan will be.
You forgot a word.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rela
If either Pacquiao, Khan or Mayweather is proven to be a real juicers it will be a sad day for boxing and mine as well make it part of the WWE or other pure entertainment gig.
The kid is just growing into himself hence the weight gain, guilt by association is going to tarnish a lot of people on the back of Pac not answering the question medically.
I reckon Khan is clean, but who's to say what would happen down the trac if he needed a little extra "help" in training.
if we are using this logic, then hell we better test every top rank fighter! after all pac is a top rank fighter...
stupid fucking post.
Why not?
Why not test every boxer, whys that stupid?
Because people will cry their girly little eyes out when their fighters are getting the shiit kicked out of them by journeymen because they cant cheat anymore;D
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Originally Posted by ross
That is just plain old ridiculous...Just because Manny MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT (I love how fucking people assume they know exactly everything with no proof and swear it is true from media talk that has confirmed NOTHING)...have taken enhancers that mean every fighter that has worked with the trainer of the guy that MIGHT have taken something is more then likely taking something.....
And over a weight class bump of one division?
Shit threads like this are why the crap around here gets out of control and Saddo had to make a sub board about the topic....To keep this shit off the main board
So now every fighter Roach has worked with is a juicer? Every fighter that can jump up divisions and be successful is a juicer...
Hell I guess Homicide Hankl was Jucing way back then because he held titles in 3 weight claases at one time...
B-hop juices because he went from MW to LHW 2 whole divisions and won the title....DLH juiced because he went from SFW to MW and won titles....Adamek because he has gone from LHW to HW...David Haye, Felix Trinidad, Ike Quartey, Vernon Forrest. JMM, Vic Darchinyan, hell it never ends.......
Every team a ball player has been on that has been caught using is on roids....Hell the WWE guys have been caught numerous times so Mick Foley mush have been too (Though he must have gotten a bad batch)........
excellent point daxx. i guess it didnt occur to this so called boxing fans that most fighters fight way below their actual weight especially the lower weight classes. since manny pac is the reason why all of these can of worms has been open ill make him my example. when he weighed in for the second marquez fight, he looked like a zombie that couldnt move and then the next day he weighed in at 145. same weight he fought cotto in. now, if you are a logical person, i hope we all are here. instead of going back to fight at 135,dehydrating himself another 10 pounds, he could stay at Welter and not even try to lose weight. now he is only focusing in training and making 100% ready for the fight and not worry about coming in overweight, dont you think it will be advantagious.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
That is just plain old ridiculous...Just because Manny MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT (I love how fucking people assume they know exactly everything with no proof and swear it is true from media talk that has confirmed NOTHING)...have taken enhancers that mean every fighter that has worked with the trainer of the guy that MIGHT have taken something is more then likely taking something.....
And over a weight class bump of one division?
Shit threads like this are why the crap around here gets out of control and Saddo had to make a sub board about the topic....To keep this shit off the main board
So now every fighter Roach has worked with is a juicer? Every fighter that can jump up divisions and be successful is a juicer...
Hell I guess Homicide Hankl was Jucing way back then because he held titles in 3 weight claases at one time...
B-hop juices because he went from MW to LHW 2 whole divisions and won the title....DLH juiced because he went from SFW to MW and won titles....Adamek because he has gone from LHW to HW...David Haye, Felix Trinidad, Ike Quartey, Vernon Forrest. JMM, Vic Darchinyan, hell it never ends.......
Every team a ball player has been on that has been caught using is on roids....Hell the WWE guys have been caught numerous times so Mick Foley mush have been too (Though he must have gotten a bad batch)........
something funny i saw in hbo 24/7 overtime on cotto vs pac(i cant find the vid on youtube) regarding ariza saying that he's feeding manny more than 5000 calories a day to keep up with his training. if manny took HGH or any kind of steroids then he must be a ricky hattons size about now.
Boxing will need to utilize random blood testing (at least in championship bouts) to become a serious sport. The best fighter shouldn't just be the best cheater.
That being said, I don't think Khan is on anything. 5lb at such a young age is not abnormal. 17lb [edit - yes 17kg was a bit overboard lol] a year, while fighting/doing cardio, knocking out bigger guys while you're at it... all around 30years old.... now that's abnormal..
neither has put this on in that time, lets not forget khan pro debut was at 140 lb , he won a cheap meaningless title at that weight in about his 10th bout too, his no stranger to the weight just doesnt have to drain as much to get down to it i guess, and 17kg is 37lb, pac obviously hasnt put this much on over the last year not even 17lb which is what i think you meant, maybe more lik 5-10 lbQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBranMan
its the fact the speeds and power is carrying isf not improving as he gets bigger... this in theory goes against how the human body works in a 'natural' state
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Well, maybe not all but remember Toney got caught Twice while he was with Roach, after he moved up:rolleyes:
This thread is ridiculous.
Are you juicing Ross?!
* Anyone else thinking that they have read the word 'juicing' so many times lately it now doesn't sound like a real word? Just a thought.
Actually, I suppose it isn't really a word.
Who gives a fuck if he is Juicing or not? He ain't done anything anyway
Good one!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Well if Juicer isn't a word someone needs to contact Jack La Lane because he is selling one http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2664/...b09afa6796.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
That is what I thought Frank was hinting about right here ....
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ns-column.html
Yeah Im not sure either Skel,
But Warren loves to have his parting shots,which made my mind go there.
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Originally Posted by Andre
his gotta be hinting more towards Haye there, his not going to try and make such comments about Khan.... untill he inevitabley leaves sour old bastard
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Originally Posted by GAME
In what way did Roach cover for Toney?:confused:
The stupidist thread so far in 2010.
It is early days yet we can come up with even more stupid ones. Give us time. 1 + 1 = 3 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft