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It seems like everyone is assuming that Mosley beating Andre Berto is a foregone conclusion.
I myself believe Mosley is going to win, and I don't see Berto winning much more than 4 rounds.
But this is boxing, and Mosley is getting older, and maybe looking past Berto.
Anyone picking Berto to win?
My bet's on Moseley too but somehow, I think that Berto is definitely to be caught seriously, this guy is definitely not a joke and represent a very good match for Moseley.
Yes i give him a really good chance, here's a topic i made awhile ago regarding the fight.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...overrated.html
i think berto will stop mosley i think mosley is well past it now hes been lucky in his last 2 outings
I do. Mosley is coming into this fight way too confident saying he could never be beat by Berto's style ever, that he is gonna knock him out in a few rounds, I really think Mosley is overlooking Berto and looking at the Mayweather fight on the horizon. But really, Berto could cause issues for Mosley if Mosley overlooks him and i get the feeling that Mosley is, it could be a ploy to get berto to make mistakes early but if Mosley is THIS confident against a young lion he could find himself losing.
Mosley is getting old if he has taken Berto likely i think he will lose.Berto is a young decent undefeated fight champion he is gonna be confident he can beat Mosley.
How was he lucky against Margarito? That was a beat down, luck had nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
But yes I concede Berto has a better shot than most are giving him. The problem with Berto is his movement, it's just not very good. His handspeed is incredible though and may make the difference.
I'll take berto. I've never really been all that high on mosely and everyone can't do what hopkins does for as long as hopkins is trying to do it. At this stage i give berto a decent chance.
Depends on what kind of roids Mosley's been able to get his hands on. If it was the stuff he was taking for the Cotto or Mayorga fights he gets beat, but if it's the stuff he got hold of for Margarito he wins.
I give Berto a very serious chance but I find myself leaning more towards Mosley as the fight gets closer. I think Ive been won over by the argumnet that Shane has forgotten more than Berto will ever know but when it was 1st announced I was very much backing Berto to win on points fairly comfortably for a number of reasons
- Shane isnt as motivated for this one like last time. He is looking past Berto
- Berto is younger and its his biggest fight. It isnt Shanes
- Mosley could find Tonys chin because its there to be hit. Bertos isnt as easy to catch.
- A boxer puncher like Cotto can give Mosley trouble. Berto wont engage when Mosley wants him to.
- Mosley is getting older but Berto is getting better.
Despite of all of that Im going against my own logic and pick Mosley to win in a come from behind victory, hurting Berto late like against Mayorga. If he wins in that fashion no way will Floyd or Pac be able to go on avoiding him
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And still.........:)
He has a really big chance. like most , i'm leaning towards Mosley. But if Mayorga was able to have such a close fight with Shane, so will Berto ( i had Mayorga up by a point going in to the 12th) And Mosley has shown struggles against guys with a good jab and that are fast. Shane hasn't fought in a year also , so he's not getting younger. But still, Shane 7-5 for me
Stop Mosley? Shane has been in with much much better punchers and boxers then Berto....Not going to happen that way....Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Though for somereason I would not be surprised if this is the fight Shane suddenly aged in...Crazier things have happened...Berto not that quick and not a volume puncher and has poor defense...Though it has improved and gets better with every fight......
I go with Mosley but I think Berto will do better then many are giving credit for
I'll say the same thing I said in another thread. Berto has all the tools to beat Mosley, but it's going to come down to whether he can execute and whether or not he can handle Mosley's power. I would be surprised if it wasn't a very competitive fight.
I agree one Berto having the tools...IMO if this kid is handled right he can go on to be one of the best in the sport.....I just don't know if his peoiple are handling him right........Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
After the Collozo and Urango fights you could see the difference between the two bouts and how much Andre has improved but there is a big jump min class between those 2 and Mosley.....
I just hate to see a Vargas situation where the kid has the goods but his team doesn't know enough to groom them properly...
This just occurred to me now, but I wonder if all the criticism he got for the way he fought Urango will affect him against Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI agree one Berto having the tools...IMO if this kid is handled right he can go on to be one of the best in the sport.....I just don't know if his peoiple are handling him right........Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
After the Collozo and Urango fights you could see the difference between the two bouts and how much Andre has improved but there is a big jump min class between those 2 and Mosley.....
I just hate to see a Vargas situation where the kid has the goods but his team doesn't know enough to groom them properly...
It really depends on Mosley... If it's the Shane that doesn't employ his Jab then he's gonna have a rough night cuz Berto can box fairly well and has a bit of pop. Shane def has the chin advantage as I've seen him get pasted and stand there...
I'm sorry but people talking about Shane being past it... He's been looking in top form his last few outings, albiet against guys he could hit, but c'mon... Could he get old overnight? Maybe... There's always a chance but Shane has not showed glaring signs yet.
If shane canemploy the jab and stick with it, he'll beat Andre in a competetive affair.
I'm surprised at how many of you are picking Berto.
He's got fast hands and some pop and loads of talent but he seems a little chinny and not too hard to hit.
I think Mosley is faster than Berto, with a better chin and more power.
Berto had a lot of trouble with Collazo, Mosley had no trouble with Collazo, and I don't see him having much trouble with Berto either to be honest.
Remember though that Luis Collazo broke his hand vs Shane Mosley, and it was his most effective weapon his left hand. And even though it was only for 3 rounds, i thought he was giving Shane Mosley a good fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Until he injured his left hand, now im not saying Luis Collazo would of won. But then again it surely would of been more competitive ? considering he could hardly use his best weapon for a majority of the fight.
Hopefully it will in a positive way...One thing I can say about Berto in the ring (Something that I like about him) is it seems after every fight he fixes or at least improves the mistakes he made the last time...Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThis just occurred to me now, but I wonder if all the criticism he got for the way he fought Urango will affect him against Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI agree one Berto having the tools...IMO if this kid is handled right he can go on to be one of the best in the sport.....I just don't know if his peoiple are handling him right........Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
After the Collozo and Urango fights you could see the difference between the two bouts and how much Andre has improved but there is a big jump min class between those 2 and Mosley.....
I just hate to see a Vargas situation where the kid has the goods but his team doesn't know enough to groom them properly...
Berto is still a work in progress.....One with unlimited potential.....As far as the thought from people on him being chinny, from what I have seen he is not glass jawed but more or less gets caught when getting over zelous...something again that can be fixed as he matures
I actually think Berto will win. Mosley looked great in his last fight yes, BUT he will not be fighting someone who will just stand there and try and walk through his bombs like Marg did and don't forget how poor he looked against Mayorga in the fight before.
I'm not saying I think it's a foregone conclusion that Berto will win, I just think he might have too much for Mosley at this advanced stage of his career.
Of course Berto has a chance, but I still think Mosley will win, possibly by KO. Shane more than proved that he is not past it against Margarito, and to me he seems hungrier than ever. He seems improved with Nazeem and I see him cementing his legacy with a big win here.
I think comparing their fight against Collazo was very fair. I felt that Collazo looked way more determined against Berto. He threw a lot more meaningful punches and he was trying to mix it up. When he fought Mosley he was doing well until his hand got hurt then he hesitent to throw all night. Mosley did fight a terrific fight, but its much easier when your opponent is committing to their punches. Once Mosley saw that he was able to react in a more offensive way everytime Collazo began to do something because Mosley knew that if he committed his punches would land when Luis' wouldn't.
I think Berto will give Mosley a lot of the same troubles that I think Mayweather would. I view Mosley as a great athlete, but his stance and everything kind of reminds me of Kessler in the manner that if you can get in and out quickly I don't think Mosley would have a very easy time with that. He's a great counter puncher when he is faster or you are there to be hit, but he wasn't super great against a good jab and in and out movement. We saw Oscar employ much more of the in and out tactics in their second fight and he was far more successful both offensively and defensively.
The biggest mistake I think Berto could make is to square up and try to bang with Mosley. Shane is one of those guys who can not hurt you for 12 rounds or he can land that one punch that could conceivably hurt anyone. He is so fast and so physically strong that if he puts everything into a punch it has exceptional power behind it. I really hope Berto fights similar to how he did against Forbes but with more movement and more variety offfensively, I think Mosley is a lot easier to hit cleanly than Forbes, but obviously much more dangerous.
You can never say never in boxing, but I really think Mosley is going to put a beating on Berto. If Mosley is in the same kind of form as against Margarito, then Berto gets busted up and stopped down the stretch (unless he turns to clinch mode, he might survive then). I really do not rate Berto all that highly at all.
I cant call this one. Berto is fresh, strong and a great athlete. Mosley has more class and experience. Both seem very determined and full of belief. I think it'll be fight of the year contender and will go all 12 rounds. Mosley to shade it for me.
I definitely give Berto a shot, Mosley was brilliant against Margarito. But Berto brings more to the table. Add in the fact that Mosley has been inactive & his advanced age & things start to even out
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Originally Posted by Galaxy
Good points...After the Cotto loss many were dismissing Shane as done, a once P4P elite fighter that still has enough to beat most but will fall short against the elite....Then he destroys Margarito...(Lets be honest Handwraps or not on an Offensive standpoint no one ever beat up Margarito like that)....There is that chance as it is with every great fighter that Mosley just had that one last big Hurahh in him....For the true fans or older ones (I say that because I hate to give away my age lol)...Remember Duran Vs Moore.....Duran was considered shot but then he came back in that fight and was brilliant...
Shane is at the boarderline age of just past it due to Father time and nothing more...So anything is possible...Not saying Shane is done or through by anymeans just in speculation...
Not everyone can be a Hopkins and still be a P4P fighter at 45
I think the Margarito win could be misleading too, true no one ever beat Antonio like that before, but he had been pounded on previously leading into that fight by Cotto & Cintron who both landed their share of bombs!Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Good points...After the Cotto loss many were dismissing Shane as done, a once P4P elite fighter that still has enough to beat most but will fall short against the elite....Then he destroys Margarito...(Lets be honest Handwraps or not on an Offensive standpoint no one ever beat up Margarito like that)....There is that chance as it is with every great fighter that Mosley just had that one last big Hurahh in him....For the true fans or older ones (I say that because I hate to give away my age lol)...Remember Duran Vs Moore.....Duran was considered shot but then he came back in that fight and was brilliant...
Shane is at the boarderline age of just past it due to Father time and nothing more...So anything is possible...Not saying Shane is done or through by anymeans just in speculation...
Not everyone can be a Hopkins and still be a P4P fighter at 45
Prior to the Margarito fight Shane looked very ordinary vs Mayorga & I feel that all the punchers may have caught up with Margarito who was always very hittable.
Berto's going to be a handful no doubt
Despite my thinking Berto has a dodgey chin, I think his handspeed and defense could give Shane some trouble, but he doesn't have the style to beat Shane.
To beat Shane Mosley you need to fight tall, use distance, negate his angles, and tie him up or use tight defense to block his combinations.
personally i like mosley hes a good fighter but ima have to go with berto 2 reasons. mosley is not in his prime no more and i feel berto is faster. i can see it going the distance and berto winning the u.d
Whoever doesn't give Berto a chance is either mentally challenged or doesn't follow boxing.
Come on the kids got a good shot.
We've seen him go 12 hard rounds so he's def. got stamina.
The kids loves to fight and as he's shown he doesn't back down.
The only question I have is, is he smart enough to figure out SSM's plan?
He's still not skilled enough to beat SSM IMO. Shane is older but still and elite fighter... He's still near the top of the list of Welters in the world and took out Margarito with reckless abandon last year. Although Berto beat Urango handily, he was very tentitive which I was fine with, cuz I'm a Berto fan and I know how hard Juan hits but if he thinks he can play the waiting game and hold Mosley he's sadly mistaken... He won against Collazo in a fight many thought he lost(I was not one of them. I had Andre winning by 1 pt)... Though I thought Berto showed alot of growth in that fight. Mosley is too smart for him at this stage in Berto's career. He has the tools but I don't think he'll be able to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
What's happened in Haiti will have one of two effects. Berto will either be completely distracted & caught up on fight night & will lose badly, or he will use it to pull out the performance of a lifetime & batter Shane.
(For those who don't know, a lot of his family are in Haiti & he's still currently unsure of their safety)
I think he's got the character that he'll produce a great performance.
Not me...must be the paint chips.I have yet to be convinced of his many 'improvements' over last few and although he is a willing,naturally talented athletic guy...he's also a very flawed fighter still learning guy with things to exploit for an aged VERY deep Mosley.There is no room against Mosley for on the job training and I dont see the consitency and execution in Berto to topple an even long toothed Mosley.Good against Urango but all about styles and flat deep water experience I belive.I think Mosley gets him out of there late.
Berto is faster imo. But I'm not sure if his chin is gonna hold. He could win by a decision.
60/40 Mosely.
Bad fight for Berto because Shane has great stamina and a solid chin. Even at this stage of Sugar Shane's career, he can still take out these young guns. A make or break it fight for Berto.