Fights Where you thought the official winner lost

For me.

1. Delahoya-Whitaker: I thought Whitaker won handily, the punch stats even showed Sweetpea outlanding Oscar at a higher connect percentage.

2. Delahoya-Trinidad: I had it 7-2 for Oscar after 9 rounds, but Oscar did himself no favors by running the last 3 1/2 rounds. Still he takes it 7-5 for me.

3. Mayweather-Castillo I: I thought Castillo won this fight albeit it was very close. It was 7-5 for me for JLC.

4. Pacquiao-Marquez II: I had JMM winning it 7-5, another close fight. It might have been 8-4 for JMM on my card if not for the KD.

5. Ali-Norton II, III: I had Ali losing both times. It's been awhile since I've seen the fights, but I still had Norton winning it handily. I know a lot of people felt he lost to Norton at least 2 of 3.

Mosley - De La Hoya 2

Im a massive Mosley fan but Oscar took the rematch in my opinion

though very close, I had barrera winning the first morales fight by 1 round.

I also had de la hoya quartey a draw

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Mosley - De La Hoya 2

Im a massive Mosley fan but Oscar took the rematch in my opinion

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I forgot about that one. I also gave the nod to Oscar.

Another few fights from the top of my head.

Whitaker-Ramirez 1: Sweetpea should have won his first title in this fight.

Hagler-Leonard: I give Leonard credit for being in an competitive fight despite the surrounding circumstances of this being his 2nd fight in 5 years, but those late pitty patty flurries at the end of rounds really didn't convince me Hagler lost.

Some of these fights aren't really robberies, i mean fights like ODLH vs Whitaker, FMJ vs JLC 1, Shane Mosley vs ODLH 2, are very close fights that could of gone either way. Even Shane Mosley vs ODLH 2 is an overrated bad decision. Im thinking of fights like Tyrone Everett vs Alfredo Escalera that was just plain awful.

DLH-Quartey
DLH-Sturm
Sotto-Espinosa
Cassa-StaCruz
SRL-Hearns II
Foreman-Schultz
Vernon-Quartey
InJoChoo-Penalosa
Tokuyama-Penalosa
Morales-Barrera I
Barrera-Morales II

Mosely vs de la hoya 2 - I thought shane landed 2 decent shots the whole fight. And thats when he did throw which wasn't often at all.

Both Pac vs marquez fights. Yes I'm well aware the first one was a draw, but still I think jaun had him beat.

Fury vs Mcdermot - Battle of the bums, Mcdermot won it, felt sorry for him.

Ottke vs Reid - Most of Sven Ottke's fights should be on here.

Corrales ve Castillio 1 - Very dubious circumstanses there.

Lewis vs holyfield - was a draw but lewis won by a mile

De la hoy vs sturm - Big controversy at the time

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Mosely vs de la hoya 2 - I thought shane landed 2 decent shots the whole fight. And thats when he did throw which wasn't often at all.

Both Pac vs marquez fights. Yes I'm well aware the first one was a draw, but still I think jaun had him beat.

Fury vs Mcdermot - Battle of the bums, Mcdermot won it, felt sorry for him.

Ottke vs Reid - Most of Sven Ottke's fights should be on here.

Corrales ve Castillio 1 - Very dubious circumstanses there.

Lewis vs holyfield - was a draw but lewis won by a mile

De la hoy vs sturm - Big controversy at the time

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Ali Funeka vs Nate Campbell and Joan Guzman....horrible decisions.

ali funeka and sergio martinez have pretty much been getting screwed over everytime theyve crossed the american border.


Sven Ottke`s entire career involved horrible judging which you wouldnt even be able to call biased as it wouldnt do the word justice

Pacquiao-Marquez II

Froch-Dirrell

Martinez-Williams

Cotto-Clottey

Ramirez-Whitaker

De La Hoya-Whitaker

Trinidad-De La Hoya

Calzaghe-Hopkins

Barrera-Morales I

Holmes-Norton

Bute-Andrade I

Soto-Lorenzo I

Oscar - Mosley II
Oscar - Tito
Augustus - Burton
Ali - Norton III
Ali - Frazier II (One of the most overlooked robberies in boxing history)
Foreman - Briggs

2010 - Shumenov/Campillo II - Campillo dominated the pace, defense, ring generalship, effective aggression and clean punching for most of the fight I had Campillo winning 9 rounds to 3. This was a horrible robbery.

Taylor v Spinks
Williams v McDermott
Hopkins v Forbes

Horrible decisions those 3 fights.

I think DLH beat Whitaker by virue of winning the last round - score cards were way out though!

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Mosely vs de la hoya 2 - I thought shane landed 2 decent shots the whole fight. And thats when he did throw which wasn't often at all.

Both Pac vs marquez fights. Yes I'm well aware the first one was a draw, but still I think jaun had him beat.

Fury vs Mcdermot - Battle of the bums, Mcdermot won it, felt sorry for him.

Ottke vs Reid - Most of Sven Ottke's fights should be on here.

Corrales ve Castillio 1 - Very dubious circumstanses there.

Lewis vs holyfield - was a draw but lewis won by a mile

De la hoy vs sturm - Big controversy at the time

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wut was dubious about that fight?? are u saying chico should have been disqualified for the mouth piece spitting?? that was one of the greatest fights of all time, particularly cause of the ending, a great display of heart by one of the most corageous fighters to ever do it and a great job of refeering by Tony Weeks not calling it after the second knock down since chico obviously had a lot left in the tank.

Quartey vs ODH - had quartey winning that one 114-113

Gatti vs Ward 1- the worst thing that could have been was a draw

Whitaker vs ODH - thought Whitaker beat him

Sturn vs ODH - Sturn kicked his fuckin ass LOL

Duran vs Camacho 1 - though close I had Duran winning

Malinagi vs Diaz 1 - that was home town cooking

Collazo vs Hatton - close but Collazo should have atleast got the draw if not the W

Barrera vs Morrales 1 - Barrera won that one by atleast 3 points

Peter Buckley V about 50 opponents unluckiest boxer ever !

Oscar V Mayweather, i had him winning by 1 rd

Michael Brodie V Willie Jorrin.

Obviously two of the three Morrales V Barrera fights, two fights went the wrong way completely.


boxer dude ; are you serious with this one Quartey vs ODH - had quartey winning that one 114-113
I cannot remember Ike Quartey actually throwing a meaningful punch in the whole fight :confused:

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Oscar - Mosley II
Oscar - Tito
Augustus - Burton
Ali - Norton III
Ali - Frazier II (One of the most overlooked robberies in boxing history)
Foreman - Briggs

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Not sure about Frazier-Ali being that close. I do think it was closer than people remember it.

Oscar, Foreman, SweetPea, and Ali are the most cited?

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Quartey vs ODH - had quartey winning that one 114-113

Gatti vs Ward 1- the worst thing that could have been was a draw

Whitaker vs ODH - thought Whitaker beat him

Sturn vs ODH - Sturn kicked his fuckin ass LOL

Duran vs Camacho 1 - though close I had Duran winning

Malinagi vs Diaz 1 - that was home town cooking

Collazo vs Hatton - close but Collazo should have atleast got the draw if not the W

Barrera vs Morrales 1 - Barrera won that one by atleast 3 points

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Gatti - Ward1? I don't think anyone had any problem with either fighter winning that fight. The difference there was the KD. You might be the first person I have every hear actually say that was not a good decision. With a guaranteed rematch, nobody cared who won or how close it was. And if Ward never got the nod for that fight, we would have never gotten Gatti Ward III! imagine how bad that would have been?

Oscar - Sturum* did win in my eyes too. But he didn't spank him or anything. Again, close fight.

Hatton - Callazo was very close. I was holding my breathe for the scores. I think Callazo found his rhythm WAY too late. He started finding his home in the 11th and 12th. Granted if it went 1 more round I think he was going to stop Hatton. But that Callazo's fault for not stepping on the gas in time.

Barrera - Morales I had the victories the other way around for the first two fights. I agree Barrera, then morales wins the rematch.

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Peter Buckley V about 50 opponents unluckiest boxer ever !

Oscar V Mayweather, i had him winning by 1 rd

Michael Brodie V Willie Jorrin.

Obviously two of the three Morrales V Barrera fights, two fights went the wrong way completely.


boxer dude ; are you serious with this one Quartey vs ODH - had quartey winning that one 114-113
I cannot remember Ike Quartey actually throwing a meaningful punch in the whole fight :confused:

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How bout the punch that knocked Oscar on his ass?? u gotta watch that fight again Hittman, it was a very close exciting fight, I could see how u could score it for Oscar but Quartey not landing a meaningful punch the whole fight?? I think your way off on that observation dude.

I had Quartey 114-113 too

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Quartey vs ODH - had quartey winning that one 114-113

Gatti vs Ward 1- the worst thing that could have been was a draw

Whitaker vs ODH - thought Whitaker beat him

Sturn vs ODH - Sturn kicked his fuckin ass LOL

Duran vs Camacho 1 - though close I had Duran winning

Malinagi vs Diaz 1 - that was home town cooking

Collazo vs Hatton - close but Collazo should have atleast got the draw if not the W

Barrera vs Morrales 1 - Barrera won that one by atleast 3 points

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Gatti - Ward1? I don't think anyone had any problem with either fighter winning that fight. The difference there was the KD. You might be the first person I have every hear actually say that was not a good decision. With a guaranteed rematch, nobody cared who won or how close it was. And if Ward never got the nod for that fight, we would have never gotten Gatti Ward III! imagine how bad that would have been?

Oscar - Sturum* did win in my eyes too. But he didn't spank him or anything. Again, close fight.

Hatton - Callazo was very close. I was holding my breathe for the scores. I think Callazo found his rhythm WAY too late. He started finding his home in the 11th and 12th. Granted if it went 1 more round I think he was going to stop Hatton. But that Callazo's fault for not stepping on the gas in time.

Barrera - Morales I had the victories the other way around for the first two fights. I agree Barrera, then morales wins the rematch.

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Jonny the second Barrera-Morrales fight was closer than the first, Barrera was winning the first fight IMO before the knock down in the 12th, granted it should have been ruled a slip but never the less u have to call it 10-8 I remember Harold Lederman had it like 116-112 Barrera or something of that nature.

As for the Sturum fight Oscar was a lumped up mess afterwards, granted had he not come in a gushy fat slob he would have probably won, but he did get his ass kicked that fight

And as exiting as the gatti-ward trilogy was gatti was the better man in all three fights, watch the first one closely and score it and i'm sure u will feel the same way.

Williams - Martinez : Should of been a draw. Both fighters gave an excellent amount of effort.

Marquez - Pacquiao 2 : I had Marquez winning 115-112. I was more impressed with Marquez's well timed shots and how he was able to control the pace of the fight for the majority of it. Close fight overall though.

Calzaghe - Hopkins : I had Hopkins edging it 114-113. I was simply more impressed with Hopkins cleaner harder shots. Very close fight though.

Froch - Dirrell : I had Dirrell a clear winner. Froch came forward but landed very rarely and he was only successful really when he fought dirty which doesn't score points. Even though Dirrell over complained at times that doesn't change the fact that he landed he cleaner harder shots throughout and controlled the action with his superior boxing ability.

Mosley - De La Hoya 2 : I remember having DLH a close but clear winner. DLH outboxed Mosley behind his jab and i thought he took most of the early and middle rounds. Mosley had a late rally but in my opinion, it was too late.

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Peter Buckley V about 50 opponents unluckiest boxer ever !

Oscar V Mayweather, i had him winning by 1 rd

Michael Brodie V Willie Jorrin.

Obviously two of the three Morrales V Barrera fights, two fights went the wrong way completely.


boxer dude ; are you serious with this one Quartey vs ODH - had quartey winning that one 114-113
I cannot remember Ike Quartey actually throwing a meaningful punch in the whole fight :confused:

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How bout the punch that knocked Oscar on his ass?? u gotta watch that fight again Hittman, it was a very close exciting fight, I could see how u could score it for Oscar but Quartey not landing a meaningful punch the whole fight?? I think your way off on that observation dude.

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I may have to watch the fight again, but i may fall asleep it was that bloody boring from what i remember, more of a chess match than a boxing match. I must have erased the match from my memory somehow and forgot the knockdown :cool:

Calzaghe v Reid.
Calzaghe v Hopkins.
Johnny Nelson v Guillermo Jones.
Valuev v Haye. ( awful fight , i didnt think Haye would get the verdict in Germany ).
Reid v Ottka.

Sambu Kalambay v Herol Graham 2 was a robbery

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Some of these fights aren't really robberies, i mean fights like ODLH vs Whitaker, FMJ vs JLC 1, Shane Mosley vs ODLH 2, are very close fights that could of gone either way. Even Shane Mosley vs ODLH 2 is an overrated bad decision. Im thinking of fights like Tyrone Everett vs Alfredo Escalera that was just plain awful.

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The threaisn't about robberies it's just about the loser being the you thought won.

And there are waaaay to many to list.

there are a whole mess of fights like this

Hopkins/Calzaghe

Morales/Barrera I - Barrera should have won by at least 2 points although the KD was bullshit

Morales/Barrera II - Morales kept calm most the fight and won clearly

DLH/Trinidad - i had DLH winning 8 rds to 4 last time i watched it, still no way Tito won it

DLH/Sturm - Sturm won 115-113 on my card, no way was it an ass whooping either

DLH/Mosley II - I had Oscar winning 116-112

Hopkins/Taylor I & II - first fight at worse was a draw, Hopkins won the rematch clearer than the first time around

Froch/Dirrell - hometown cooking at its worst

Foreman/Briggs - the old man was robbed

Holyfield/Lewis I & II - Lewis won the first fight and IMO Holyfield did enough to earn the rematch

Holyfield/Moorer I - even while sick i thought he outworked Moorer and should have got the nod

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Peter Buckley V about 50 opponents unluckiest boxer ever !

Oscar V Mayweather, i had him winning by 1 rd

Michael Brodie V Willie Jorrin.

Obviously two of the three Morrales V Barrera fights, two fights went the wrong way completely.


boxer dude ; are you serious with this one Quartey vs ODH - had quartey winning that one 114-113
I cannot remember Ike Quartey actually throwing a meaningful punch in the whole fight :confused:

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How bout the punch that knocked Oscar on his ass?? u gotta watch that fight again Hittman, it was a very close exciting fight, I could see how u could score it for Oscar but Quartey not landing a meaningful punch the whole fight?? I think your way off on that observation dude.

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I may have to watch the fight again, but i may fall asleep it was that bloody boring from what i remember, more of a chess match than a boxing match. I must have erased the match from my memory somehow and forgot the knockdown :cool:

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They actually both went down in the same round, you add the way ODH finished and you have a hell of a fight, I don't know what u would consider an exciting fight because that fight was pretty awesome.

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How bout the punch that knocked Oscar on his ass?? u gotta watch that fight again Hittman, it was a very close exciting fight, I could see how u could score it for Oscar but Quartey not landing a meaningful punch the whole fight?? I think your way off on that observation dude.

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I may have to watch the fight again, but i may fall asleep it was that bloody boring from what i remember, more of a chess match than a boxing match. I must have erased the match from my memory somehow and forgot the knockdown :cool:

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They actually both went down in the same round, you add the way ODH finished and you have a hell of a fight, I don't know what u would consider an exciting fight because that fight was pretty awesome.

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yea it was anything but a chess match, one of Oscar's grittiest performances had to dig deep to pull that one out, but i had him winning the fight

malignaggie vs diaz - malignaggie

wright vs taylor - wright

wright vs vargas - wright

judah vs spinks - judah

clottey vs cotto- clottey

williams vs martinez - martinez