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Hey guys just wondering what your thoughts are on if Anthony Mundine was still a SMW would he be good enough to be in the Super Six, who's place he would've taken (if so), and how he'd go?
I don't want to talk about the Anthony Mundine who lgot ko'd by Sven Ottke or the Anthony Mundine who lost to Kessler but the Anthony Mundine who learnt a helluva lot from that fight and vastly improved to beat/ko Sam Soliman...
Would Mundine risk himself fighting these top fighters? Don't think so.
Totally agree...
Mundine can barely beat an egg at top class level !
Ok so it is debateable how "world class" Danny Green and Sam Soliman are, even throw in an Antwun Echols who got a shot at B-Hop twice, but do u really reckon those guys were "eggs"?:-\
I know almost no one (maybe no one at all) agrees with me here, but I really think if Mundine had dedicated himself to the sport and had fought better competition he could have proven himself to be an elite fighter. He was doing very well against Otke (especially given his experience at the time) before he was stopped and he gave Kessler all he could handle as well. He just doesn't have the heart or the desire or whatever to test himself against top competition, but I really think he could have been a special fighter if he had decided to do so.
Dude I agree with you 100% and that's what's so dam frustrating about being a fan of his... You see all his potential, but no fruits coz he has no labour...
I give him full credit for his win over Danny Green, what has he done since? his win over Green was almost 4 years ago, he has fought cab drivers, doormen and i'm sure his people have called out Morgan Freeman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Themantonio
Mundine has had the opportunity for a mega fight in the US against a number of opponents since the Green win yet all we see him do is fight bum after bum, he underestimated Geale and now won't go near him again. I don't think Anthony Mundine can beat any top 10 fighter in any division he chooses to fight in (he doesn't appear to even know that) Time has run out for the 'Man'
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANI give him full credit for his win over Danny Green, what has he done since? his win over Green was almost 4 years ago, he has fought cab drivers, doormen and i'm sure his people have called out Morgan Freeman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Themantonio
Mundine has had the opportunity for a mega fight in the US against a number of opponents since the Green win yet all we see him do is fight bum after bum, he underestimated Geale and now won't go near him again. I don't think Anthony Mundine can beat any top 10 fighter in any division he chooses to fight in (he doesn't appear to even know that) Time has run out for the 'Man'
Few things u mentioned that I'd like to respond to, first bold point. The Anthony Mundine who beat Danny Green then anihilated the same Sam Soliman who gave Winky a torrid affair is the Anthony Mundine I'm questioning in my original thread. I wanted to know where you guys rated that Anthony Mundine against the SMW's of today...
Seond bolded point (and by no means a questioning attack), which mega fights in the US are you talking about after Choc beat Green? And are their any archived articles you've got to back that statement up? I know a while back he had a fight in the US lined up against Miguel Espino but it fell through, can't remember why tho... I read an interview in our own Fist publication, Nov 09 edition where even RJJ said that Choc had been out in the states trying to get a fight out there and no one was really willing to give him a chance.
Third bolded point, I still believe the Anthony Mundine of today still has the skill set and ability to beat any top 10 fighter in MW or SMW, but like what CFH had said earlier and even Master questioned, does Mundine have the heart and/or desire to compete against these guys at the top level? You maybe right on one thing tho, maybe time has run out for "The Man"... (I still think he got like two good years left in him tho haahha) ;D
After the Green fight he should have been based in the USA for at least a year, this is where the big fights are and where you make your name. He was at 168lb, then goes to 160lb, now he wants to fight at 154lb? This makes it a little difficult to line up opponents i would think. At that point in his career i agree with you, he was a genuine top 10 fighter on the verge of possibly winning a genuine world title and not some belt from a weeties packet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThemantonioQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANI give him full credit for his win over Danny Green, what has he done since? his win over Green was almost 4 years ago, he has fought cab drivers, doormen and i'm sure his people have called out Morgan Freeman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Themantonio
Mundine has had the opportunity for a mega fight in the US against a number of opponents since the Green win yet all we see him do is fight bum after bum, he underestimated Geale and now won't go near him again. I don't think Anthony Mundine can beat any top 10 fighter in any division he chooses to fight in (he doesn't appear to even know that) Time has run out for the 'Man'
Few things u mentioned that I'd like to respond to, first bold point. The Anthony Mundine who beat Danny Green then anihilated the same Sam Soliman who gave Winky a torrid affair is the Anthony Mundine I'm questioning in my original thread. I wanted to know where you guys rated that Anthony Mundine against the SMW's of today...
Seond bolded point (and by no means a questioning attack), which mega fights in the US are you talking about after Choc beat Green? And are their any archived articles you've got to back that statement up? I know a while back he had a fight in the US lined up against Miguel Espino but it fell through, can't remember why tho... I read an interview in our own Fist publication, Nov 09 edition where even RJJ said that Choc had been out in the states trying to get a fight out there and no one was really willing to give him a chance.
Third bolded point, I still believe the Anthony Mundine of today still has the skill set and ability to beat any top 10 fighter in MW or SMW, but like what CFH had said earlier and even Master questioned, does Mundine have the heart and/or desire to compete against these guys at the top level? You maybe right on one thing tho, maybe time has run out for "The Man"... (I still think he got like two good years left in him tho haahha) ;D
There was no need to fight Soliman a 3rd time after he beat him so easily the 2nd time, apart from Geale he has fought no one even remotely good. Age has caught up with him, indecision about what weight he should fight and the preservation of his record will result in Mundine just ambling along as he has done for the past 4 years. I have never seen such a waste of boxing talent, if he wants to fight at 154 or 160lb then throw down the gauntlet to Paul Williams?
Dude Williams won't fight Choc! Mundine's basically an unknown (and I dare say high risk/low reward fight) in the US. Plus I doubt Choc would fight Williams either, I mean s**t I don't even think Pavlik wants a bar of Williams atm...Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANAfter the Green fight he should have been based in the USA for at least a year, this is where the big fights are and where you make your name. He was at 168lb, then goes to 160lb, now he wants to fight at 154lb? This makes it a little difficult to line up opponents i would think. At that point in his career i agree with you, he was a genuine top 10 fighter on the verge of possibly winning a genuine world title and not some belt from a weeties packet.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThemantonioQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Few things u mentioned that I'd like to respond to, first bold point. The Anthony Mundine who beat Danny Green then anihilated the same Sam Soliman who gave Winky a torrid affair is the Anthony Mundine I'm questioning in my original thread. I wanted to know where you guys rated that Anthony Mundine against the SMW's of today...
Seond bolded point (and by no means a questioning attack), which mega fights in the US are you talking about after Choc beat Green? And are their any archived articles you've got to back that statement up? I know a while back he had a fight in the US lined up against Miguel Espino but it fell through, can't remember why tho... I read an interview in our own Fist publication, Nov 09 edition where even RJJ said that Choc had been out in the states trying to get a fight out there and no one was really willing to give him a chance.
Third bolded point, I still believe the Anthony Mundine of today still has the skill set and ability to beat any top 10 fighter in MW or SMW, but like what CFH had said earlier and even Master questioned, does Mundine have the heart and/or desire to compete against these guys at the top level? You maybe right on one thing tho, maybe time has run out for "The Man"... (I still think he got like two good years left in him tho haahha) ;D
There was no need to fight Soliman a 3rd time after he beat him so easily the 2nd time, apart from Geale he has fought no one even remotely good. Age has caught up with him, indecision about what weight he should fight and the preservation of his record will result in Mundine just ambling along as he has done for the past 4 years. I have never seen such a waste of boxing talent, if he wants to fight at 154 or 160lb then throw down the gauntlet to Paul Williams?
Anthony Mundine is a very good fighter, but sadly he didn't build upon his 2nd win over Sam Soliman or his win over Danny Green. He should of been fighting the big names, but sadly he chose to fight cab drivers and Sam Soliman for a 3rd time. And now moving down in weight ? i mean what the hell seriously.
Anthony Mundine will for certain go down as a wasted talent, he has some very good attributes. But he's wasted them on the wrong opponents. I really don't know much about Anthony Mundine outside the ring, but i think he's made some horrible choices inside the ring.
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Originally Posted by CFH
Agree totally, he is too F****d up to realise what he has pissed away. He just wants to be controversial and talk about racism and his 'brothers' etc. It's a shame because not many on here may know but he was a top grade rugbly league player and switched to boxing, the guy has so much God given talent and that's why we get the shits with him.
Would he be good enough, yes almost definitely , would he apply himself, no because he hasn't so far.
And herein lies the problem, had he moved to the US and capitlised on his Green win he may well have fought Pavlik or Williams by now. Instead he is relatively unknown and is of no financial value to those fighters. What a waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThemantonioDude Williams won't fight Choc! Mundine's basically an unknown (and I dare say high risk/low reward fight) in the US. Plus I doubt Choc would fight Williams either, I mean s**t I don't even think Pavlik wants a bar of Williams atm...Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANAfter the Green fight he should have been based in the USA for at least a year, this is where the big fights are and where you make your name. He was at 168lb, then goes to 160lb, now he wants to fight at 154lb? This makes it a little difficult to line up opponents i would think. At that point in his career i agree with you, he was a genuine top 10 fighter on the verge of possibly winning a genuine world title and not some belt from a weeties packet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Themantonio
There was no need to fight Soliman a 3rd time after he beat him so easily the 2nd time, apart from Geale he has fought no one even remotely good. Age has caught up with him, indecision about what weight he should fight and the preservation of his record will result in Mundine just ambling along as he has done for the past 4 years. I have never seen such a waste of boxing talent, if he wants to fight at 154 or 160lb then throw down the gauntlet to Paul Williams?
Mundine has never been the same since 1 punch knockout artist Sven Ottke knocked him out
That is a mystery to me how the feather fisted Ottke losing the fight got lucky with that punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
It was a temple shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is a mystery to me how the feather fisted Ottke losing the fight got lucky with that punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
From a guy that can't crack eggs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIt was a temple shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is a mystery to me how the feather fisted Ottke losing the fight got lucky with that punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Still it doesn't matter a good temple shot from mostly anyone, will turn your lights out. It was just one of those freak things, like Michael Nunn who isn't known as a great puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFrom a guy that can't crack eggs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIt was a temple shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Flattened Sumbu Kalmabay in about 70 seconds, and Sumbu Kalmabay had gone the distance with fighters like Iran Barkey, Mike McCallum. And has only been stopped once in 64 fights. But yet a fighter like Michael Nunn who you'd never expect to stop Sumbu Kalmabay, done it in 70 seconds.
And considering Anthony Mundine went 12 rounds with Mikkel Kessler, taking some of his best punches. And Mikkel Kessler who is known as a good puncher, never really came close to stopping Anthony Mundine.
Leads you to believe it was just a perfectly timed shot, from Sven Ottke in exactly the right place. If they fought another 10 times, Sven Ottke would probably never ever come close to stopping Anthony Mundine. But its just one of those things.
Pretty much a typical comment from a guy who knows nothing about Mundines career, but yet thinks he'll be funny by bringing up something that has been said 1000 times. His more embarrasing loss was against Siaca, not Ottke, because atleast when fighting Ottke he had the inexperience excuse considering it was his 10th pro fight with no amature background. Losing the decision to Siaca was ba cos Manny wasnt even as good as Ottke and Mundine had 20 fights by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Mundine has a relatively weak jaw, but has gone many rounds with some solid punchers. Kessler, Green, Echols. Mundines worst problem is his unwillingness to fight anyone decent these days, not his chin. At about the time of the Green and Soliman victories he could have been competitive with anyone in the super 6 but now he seems to have lost focus and is on the decline. I still say he'd be better value than Allen Green tho. Any fighter who faced him in Australia would probably make the most money of any fight in the super 6.
You really must like Mundine , to be offended by that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglePretty much a typical comment from a guy who knows nothing about Mundines career, but yet thinks he'll be funny by bringing up something that has been said 1000 times. His more embarrasing loss was against Siaca, not Ottke, because atleast when fighting Ottke he had the inexperience excuse considering it was his 10th pro fight with no amature background. Losing the decision to Siaca was ba cos Manny wasnt even as good as Ottke and Mundine had 20 fights by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Mundine has a relatively weak jaw, but has gone many rounds with some solid punchers. Kessler, Green, Echols. Mundines worst problem is his unwillingness to fight anyone decent these days, not his chin. At about the time of the Green and Soliman victories he could have been competitive with anyone in the super 6 but now he seems to have lost focus and is on the decline. I still say he'd be better value than Allen Green tho. Any fighter who faced him in Australia would probably make the most money of any fight in the super 6.
Are you saying Ottke wasnt a hard puncher ?
no im saying your statement was false. I dont for a minute think Ottke is a hard puncher. Mundine got KO'd by Ottke in his 10th fight and to that time had only fought nobodies. So how is it true mundine has never been the same since the Ottke fight? Same as what? he was never a 9-0 novice again? I think u just made that comment to try and be funny when in reality it doesnt really mean anything when talking about recent times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYou really must like Mundine , to be offended by that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglePretty much a typical comment from a guy who knows nothing about Mundines career, but yet thinks he'll be funny by bringing up something that has been said 1000 times. His more embarrasing loss was against Siaca, not Ottke, because atleast when fighting Ottke he had the inexperience excuse considering it was his 10th pro fight with no amature background. Losing the decision to Siaca was ba cos Manny wasnt even as good as Ottke and Mundine had 20 fights by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Mundine has a relatively weak jaw, but has gone many rounds with some solid punchers. Kessler, Green, Echols. Mundines worst problem is his unwillingness to fight anyone decent these days, not his chin. At about the time of the Green and Soliman victories he could have been competitive with anyone in the super 6 but now he seems to have lost focus and is on the decline. I still say he'd be better value than Allen Green tho. Any fighter who faced him in Australia would probably make the most money of any fight in the super 6.
Are you saying Ottke wasnt a hard puncher ?
Im not a big fan of mundine at all. I tried to like him but his lack of top opponents and general weird attitude have turned me off. It does shit me however when people bring up the Ottke fight as a reason for Mundine being no good, when in reality he was a very good fighter around the time of the Danny Green and Soliman 2 fights. He could easily have daccounted for Allen Green and at about that time i think he would have been a pretty decent match for anyone in the super 6. Now i think he has just lost the motivation and is picking up easy paydays.
I would love Mundine to be in the super six's , based on the fact i think he would get hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleno im saying your statement was false. I dont for a minute think Ottke is a hard puncher. Mundine got KO'd by Ottke in his 10th fight and to that time had only fought nobodies. So how is it true mundine has never been the same since the Ottke fight? Same as what? he was never a 9-0 novice again? I think u just made that comment to try and be funny when in reality it doesnt really mean anything when talking about recent times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYou really must like Mundine , to be offended by that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Are you saying Ottke wasnt a hard puncher ?
Im not a big fan of mundine at all. I tried to like him but his lack of top opponents and general weird attitude have turned me off. It does shit me however when people bring up the Ottke fight as a reason for Mundine being no good, when in reality he was a very good fighter around the time of the Danny Green and Soliman 2 fights. He could easily have daccounted for Allen Green and at about that time i think he would have been a pretty decent match for anyone in the super 6. Now i think he has just lost the motivation and is picking up easy paydays.
Another well informed and intelligent comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlI would love Mundine to be in the super six's , based on the fact i think he would get hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleno im saying your statement was false. I dont for a minute think Ottke is a hard puncher. Mundine got KO'd by Ottke in his 10th fight and to that time had only fought nobodies. So how is it true mundine has never been the same since the Ottke fight? Same as what? he was never a 9-0 novice again? I think u just made that comment to try and be funny when in reality it doesnt really mean anything when talking about recent times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Im not a big fan of mundine at all. I tried to like him but his lack of top opponents and general weird attitude have turned me off. It does shit me however when people bring up the Ottke fight as a reason for Mundine being no good, when in reality he was a very good fighter around the time of the Danny Green and Soliman 2 fights. He could easily have daccounted for Allen Green and at about that time i think he would have been a pretty decent match for anyone in the super 6. Now i think he has just lost the motivation and is picking up easy paydays.
Well informed ??? actually its my opinion , if that differs from yours then fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleAnother well informed and intelligent comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlI would love Mundine to be in the super six's , based on the fact i think he would get hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
As I said you seem to really like Mundine , personally i think he is a chump , and would get KOED by more than 1 of the other guys in the super six.
So as i said lets , let him join , see which one of us is WELL INFORMED .
In fact why dont you run a poll to see what everyone else thinks about how well he would do in the super six's ?
If the majority opinion is im wrong then i can accept that.
Where did i say he would beat anyone other than Allen Green in the Super 6? My main point was that the fact u said Mundine was never the same after the Ottke fight was plain wrong. It was the guys 10th fight, and he went on to win a few world titles afterwards so he was far from a chump. It was just u attempting to be funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlWell informed ??? actually its my opinion , if that differs from yours then fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleAnother well informed and intelligent comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
As I said you seem to really like Mundine , personally i think he is a chump , and would get KOED by more than 1 of the other guys in the super six.
So as i said lets , let him join , see which one of us is WELL INFORMED .
In fact why dont you run a poll to see what everyone else thinks about how well he would do in the super six's ?
If the majority opinion is im wrong then i can accept that.
Mundine is a big mouthed waste of talent but the guy at his best would have been a threat to most in the super 6, but not now as he seems to have fallen away recently.
Show me where i wrote he should be in the Super 6? I in fact wrote that now he probably wouldnt be comptetive cos he has dropped away. I also wrote that i dont like him that much and its the truth, i never order his crappy PPVs in Australia and I'd support jus about everyone over him. Do you even read what i write?
The best u can come up with is to say u hope he gets hurt. I mean u can not like a guy but seriously grow up, as a boxing fan i really dont like some fighters but i dont want them to get hurt.