Paul Williams possibly returning to Welterweight in May
Paul Williams Welterweight Return May Happen on May 8 - Boxing News
An excerpt from the article and a quote by Dan Goosen,
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If we make the decision to go back down to welterweight, the statement we want to make to all of the welterweights is ‘don’t dare say you’re the best welterweight when Paul is in that division. Don’t dare say you’re fighting the best welterweight unless Paul Williams is in the other corner.’"
Also Goosen says he talked to Williams trainer that a drop to 147 wouldn't be a problem.
The man was run out of the welterweight division because everyone ducked him. If Tommy Hearns another 1 of my favorites was around today, the same thing would also happened to him. In a way I don't really see any of the top welterweights taking him on. It's considered to be too risky and the reward isn't high enough.
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Yeah, this doesn't sound healthy. Especially considering how active PWill is. He better take a tune up at 147 first and see how his body reacts.
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well, welter is where the action is. the best 2, arguably 3, fighters in the game are there...and williams could make an argument for 4, as he doesn't get enough credit for defeating, indeed fighting, the impenetrable winky wright.
pbf is srl, pac is duran, and williams is hearns. mosley as hagler doesn't make sense but he is a bit of an aaron pryor, except this time srl gave him a fight.
the great ones fight the great ones. this is what its all about. i welcome williams move.
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Am i the only one who thinks Winky is finished?
Paul Williams needs to fight who ever he can get.
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Well lets be honest, most the guys at 147 are big PPV fighters who are getting 8 figure paydays every fight. Williams is a nightmare for anyone at 147 and is not a big name, who will fight Williams??
Mayweather,Pac and Mosley ( well if Mosley beats Mayweather ) cant see them going near Williams to high risk not enough reward. Only fight I can see now is the rematch with Margarito other than that I cant see the top boys giving him the time of day.
I think Williams display at 160 against not a big puncher and a 154 fighter showed he don't belong at Middleweight, I hope to see the big fights but I cant see it personally.
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Manju
well, welter is where the action is. the best 2, arguably 3, fighters in the game are there...and williams could make an argument for 4, as he doesn't get enough credit for defeating, indeed fighting, the impenetrable winky wright.
pbf is srl, pac is duran, and williams is hearns. mosley as hagler doesn't make sense but he is a bit of an aaron pryor, except this time srl gave him a fight.
the great ones fight the great ones. this is what its all about. i welcome williams move.
The fact that Winky had not fought for nearly 2 years and also was nearly 38 years old and has not fought since the Williams defeat takes the gloss from the victory, It was a decent win but nothing more. Winky was a 37 1/2 year old inactive fighter who was coming off a defeat at 175.
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Manju
well, welter is where the action is. the best 2, arguably 3, fighters in the game are there...and williams could make an argument for 4, as he doesn't get enough credit for defeating, indeed fighting, the impenetrable winky wright.
pbf is srl, pac is duran, and williams is hearns. mosley as hagler doesn't make sense but he is a bit of an aaron pryor, except this time srl gave him a fight.
the great ones fight the great ones. this is what its all about. i welcome williams move.
The fact that Winky had not fought for nearly 2 years and also was nearly 38 years old and has not fought since the Williams defeat takes the gloss from the victory, It was a decent win but nothing more. Winky was a 37 1/2 year old inactive fighter who was coming off a defeat at 175.
To be fair there wasn't anything Wright could have done in his prime to make that outcome any different. His age was not a factor, it was his style.
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killersheep
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skel1983
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Manju
well, welter is where the action is. the best 2, arguably 3, fighters in the game are there...and williams could make an argument for 4, as he doesn't get enough credit for defeating, indeed fighting, the impenetrable winky wright.
pbf is srl, pac is duran, and williams is hearns. mosley as hagler doesn't make sense but he is a bit of an aaron pryor, except this time srl gave him a fight.
the great ones fight the great ones. this is what its all about. i welcome williams move.
The fact that Winky had not fought for nearly 2 years and also was nearly 38 years old and has not fought since the Williams defeat takes the gloss from the victory, It was a decent win but nothing more. Winky was a 37 1/2 year old inactive fighter who was coming off a defeat at 175.
To be fair there wasn't anything Wright could have done in his prime to make that outcome any different. His age was not a factor, it was his style.
I'm not saying he would of beat him at any other time in his career but his inactivity imo and his age was a big factor to how the fight went ( total shut out) Winky after not fighting at the weight for nearly three years and not fighting for two at nearly 38 did him no favours.
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Paul Williams has options, losers of the Mayweather Mosley fight and Pac Clottey fight are both options. Mosley has said in the past that he would give Williams his just due lets see he if keeps his word and after Mayweather what are his options, assuming that he loses? Williams is a bigger draw than Berto imo
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I would be surprised if Williams could still make 147. I mean if he could do it comfortably he would be a true freak of nature. We all know the success rate of fighters moving back down in weight.
Assuming he could make weight, there are a lot of fresh faces at 147 he could take a tune-up against to get reestablished there (Aydin, Zaveck, Soto Karass, et. al.) and then go for the losers of Mayweather/Mosley or Pac/Clottey. If I was William's handler I would focus on making him the man at 154 now that he has an official win over Martinez there really isn't any one else there to give him any problems, nor do any of those guys have the leverage to back out on him. I would love to see Williams/Cintron.
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Really dont see it but economically it makes all of the cents in the world.Looks like a shot across the bow of the Welter cash cows in Mayweather and Pac but they are tied up...and have what I feel are 50-50 fights in the offing.Short term Williams options are at Jr mid or Middle....most likely Martinez vs Pavlik winner.Frankly Martinez merits a rematch in what was a very fan friendly talked about fight and Williams looks comfy at weight.Just think his forward style and defense leaks are about to catch up to him.
Williams betrays his natural physical gifts,his Hearns esq frame and thats where the comparisons end.Hearns demanded attention with his break out pulverizing of a long reigning champion in Cuevas where as Williams biggest 'gotcha' moments have been a close...yes close....win over Margarito and a rematch KO of previous victor Quintana.Maybe unfair but can you see Hearns losing to a Quintana...I cant.
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killersheep
I would be surprised if Williams could still make 147. I mean if he could do it comfortably he would be a true freak of nature. We all know the success rate of fighters moving back down in weight.
Assuming he could make weight, there are a lot of fresh faces at 147 he could take a tune-up against to get reestablished there (Aydin, Zaveck, Soto Karass, et. al.) and then go for the losers of Mayweather/Mosley or Pac/Clottey. If I was William's handler I would focus on making him the man at 154 now that he has an official win over Martinez there really isn't any one else there to give him any problems, nor do any of those guys have the leverage to back out on him. I would love to see Williams/Cintron.
I am absolutely with you on this. Can Williams really make a healthy147 again? And you are right the success rate of coming down 2 weight classes can't be good. Especially at Williams' height. His frame is too long and he is already very lean to just be going up and then back down 2 weight classes. I doubt he'll look good against his first 147 opponent unless its a tune up. And I too would like to see Williams make a Cintron fight first and then see how he feels working back down.
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Margarito gave Williams a shot at welterweight.
And Williams was lucky to get that decision against Martinez last time out, whom I thought beat him.
So I dunno what he's bitchin about.
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This will add extra excitement to the Welter division. Great if he can get down and be dangerous.
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Am i the only one who thinks Winky is finished?
Paul Williams needs to fight who ever he can get.
Yeah I think Wright has seen his best days. He relies on his defensive skills and they are eroding fast. Like Pernell Whitaker before him, the time has come when he will get hit and often. His days on the major stage is over, unless he wants to turn into a stepping stone for other fighters wanting to add a name on their ledger.
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I just don't think coming down to 147 is a good move from a longevity standpoint. I guess if he's gonna try, better now while he's still young. But, it just seems to really age fighters... I agree that 154 is the place for PW.
But whatever, I'm just kinda getting tired of the whole "nobody will give me a fight" whinefest. It seems like so much Bull Shit, when he really hasn't acquired superstar status.
If he'd just stay put and hold a title, he'd get mandatory challengers. Then it's up to him to look spectacular against them. If he did that, then he'd start to generate real interest and pull. He could sit there at 154 and might even get to play king of the hill just like PBF has done at WW. Basically entice WWs to come up to challenge him. Or on the flip side be like Pac, and entice MWs to drain themselves coming down.
For some reason he has it in his mind that he's different than anybody else, and can move up and down with no consequences, and that he should get some kind of award for that. Who knows, maybe he's right...?
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Williams is playing this smart; he will go for the winner of Floyd/Mosley or Pacquiao. Let's not kid ourselves, Floyd and Pacquiao will never happen. Williams versus Floyd, Mosley, or Pacquiao sells and is less dangerous (not necessarily easier) than a Pavlik or Martinez fight.
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Williams will lose if he goes back to Welterweight. People conveniently forget that he faded badly over the second half of the fights against Margarito and Quintana because he struggled making the weight. He couldn't be bothered to make 154 for Martinez which apparently would have been easy if he's 'still a welter' as his team claim.
If he fights Collazo, I would not be surprised if Collazo pulls the upset & if there's good odds, I might just put a bet down on it.
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He's living in a fantasy world if he thinks he's gonna get a fight with PBF or even Pac. Maybe Mosley would give him a shot, since he said as much...
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Williams will lose if he goes back to Welterweight. People conveniently forget that he faded badly over the second half of the fights against Margarito and Quintana because he struggled making the weight. He couldn't be bothered to make 154 for Martinez which apparently would have been easy if he's 'still a welter' as his team claim.
If he fights Collazo, I would not be surprised if Collazo pulls the upset & if there's good odds, I might just put a bet down on it.
I agree with the struggle to make weight for welter even though he looked good in the 12th against Margarito, but he was training to make 160 to fight Pavlik, until Kelly became a ghost, backed out and Martinez stepped in with 3 weeks until fight time.
