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I remember 5 years ago Arturo Gatti fought him at weltwerweight and beat him but I never saw or heard about him after that.
He was never anything special but I figure he could have made a good fight with Alfonzo Gomez or Jesse Feliciano or Delvin Rodriguez or those type of fighters.
Anyone know?
Gatti was well over the hill at that time, and was never world class anyway, god rest his sole, so for Daamgaard, that was probably a right kick in the teeth, knowing he couldn't beat anyone better..... Psychologically that probably really hurts I'd say.....
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Originally Posted by themacmagician
I believe Daamgaard was undefeated or close to it when he faced Gatti.
Damgaard was kept away from anyone with a pulse his whole career. Then his promoter cashed him like a human cheque against Gatti when T.D. started to show signs of old age. Not Damgaard's fault really, that's just how boxing works in Denmark.
If I am correct, he retired, took one more fight after the Gatti against a nobody to end up his career on a victory and called it a day.
That's actually quite pathetic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dadi Astthorsson
I remember this name from back when i first really (i mean really) started to get into boxing. It's funny how names just drop out of your head over time but I defo remember thinking this guy was a serious contender.
In Denmark, one promoter pretty much had hegemony and had a steady TV deal for years. All he had to do was fill a fight card regularly and money would keep streaming in. From the promoter's point of view there was no point in looking elsewhere. This is changing now as the promoter is very old and that TV deal - I think - has dried out.
A lot of these guys were actually quite good, but were never developed to their full potential. Mads Larsen, for example, was a much better talent than Mikkel Kessler, but had problems with that same promoter and his career was pretty much ruined. Compared to him, Kessler is just a really tough guy with a great work ethic. The promoter put in Kessler to replace Larsen against Manny Siaca when Larsen pulled out with an injury. This cost Larsen his title shot and obviously didn't make him very happy.
Wow this is incredibly random! If I remember correctly he was completely dominated and then stopped by Gatti. So when Gatti does that to you THAT LATE in his career, I think its time for you to call it a day!
I'm just looking at his record now. I can't recognize one damn name apart from Gatti. And the guy he fought right before Gatti was 2-6!
He has always been a fraud, with a padded record made to look good. Gatti wrecked him, although he didnt have much before Gatti.
Khalid Rahilou, Greg Haugen, Philip Holiday, Alessandro Duran, Wilfredo Ruiz and Rocky Martinez are not complete unknowns if you've followed the game closely long enough. Obviously not there to win at that point in their careers though! Holiday is probably Damgaard's best win, even with Holiday making a leap up in weight.
I wouldn't call Damgaard a fraud. You have to realize the type of mindset Danish fighters have, especially pre-Kessler. They are quite content to be small and insignificant and as long as they are somebody at home. They are not even really overprotected since they do not really participate in boxing outside Denmark. Their world is no larger than the local circuit.
I'ld call him a fraud. Name another half decent fighter he's fought bar Gatti. In like what 40 fights. You're Scandinavian, your bound to be biased, face it he was never any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dadi Astthorsson
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Originally Posted by themacmagician
I believe Daamgaard was undefeated or close to it when he faced Gatti.
Yeah he was undefeated...something like 40-0 or close to it....I remember when the fight was signed thinking "Who the hell is this guy and why have I not seem him fight?" I mean with a record like that you would expect to at least to have seen him on ESPN!!!!!
Now I use him as an example on how padded and deceiving an undefeated record can be...If you ever seen his resume his opp is horrible
Yeah but come on really now it is not like the version of Haugen that faced Chavez sr is the one he beat...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dadi Astthorsson
I agree though and understand about the fighters happy to be a big name at home and no where else......Why not be a big fish in a small pond..
But disagree with the statement about the mindset of Danish fighters pre Kessler...I mean there have been some quality champions from Denmark over the years..
Johny and Jimmi Bredahl, Battling Nelson, Mange Havnaa was from close by Norway he was a decent cruiserweight in the 80's and early 90's just to name a couple
Daamgard was just another overprotected European fighter who got exposed the first time he stepped it up. That english bloke who fought Cotto a couple of fights back was the same.
What amazes me is how these guys (or more appropriately their management) can get them ranked high enough by the alphabet boys to qualify for a mandatory shot. It beggars belief - obviously someone is getting a kickback somewhere...
You guys remember Patrick Charpentier who fought DLH for a welterweight strap? French bloke - looked like it was the first time he'd ever seen a fucking boxing ring he was that bad :o
That's ad hominem. You also assume I said Damgaard was good and that I'm biased. You don't know anything about me. I'm about as Scandinavian as your average person from the UK is. I just read a book on Danish boxing history and was dropping information in response to the query of the thread title. A mistake I won't make again, I guess. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rascal
A fraud is someone trying to be something he's not. Gatti needed an opponent and he got one. Everybody with a shiny record has bums on it. A bum on your record is a bum on your record. I explained how the Danish circuit works. It's very hard to lose when you are never challenged. It's all about filling the fight card. Was I writing that to tell you how great these guys are? Brian Nielsen certainly had NO illusions of grandeur before he fought Mike Tyson. It was just an adventure, the same with the Bredahl brothers, only they managed unexpected success.
"I'm just looking at his record now. I can't recognize one damn name apart from Gatti. And the guy he fought right before Gatti was 2-6!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I simply responded to this blanket statement by providing the names. I even made reference to the fact that they weren't there to win.
I mentioned the Bredahl brothers before. Norway is NOT the same as Denmark and Battling Nelson means nothing to a modern fighter as far as precedent.
How can you "expose" someone who isn't claiming to be anything more than he is?
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It might surprise some people to know that Europe is a continent, not a country...
I'd rep you again if I could... Glad to see you actually managed to reiterate your points so clearly and calmly amongst the madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dadi AstthorssonThat's ad hominem. You also assume I said Damgaard was good and that I'm biased. You don't know anything about me. I'm about as Scandinavian as your average person from the UK is. I just read a book on Danish boxing history and was dropping information in response to the query of the thread title. A mistake I won't make again, I guess. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rascal
A fraud is someone trying to be something he's not. Gatti needed an opponent and he got one. Everybody with a shiny record has bums on it. A bum on your record is a bum on your record. I explained how the Danish circuit works. It's very hard to lose when you are never challenged. It's all about filling the fight card. Was I writing that to tell you how great these guys are? Brian Nielsen certainly had NO illusions of grandeur before he fought Mike Tyson. It was just an adventure, the same with the Bredahl brothers, only they managed unexpected success.
"I'm just looking at his record now. I can't recognize one damn name apart from Gatti. And the guy he fought right before Gatti was 2-6!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I simply responded to this blanket statement by providing the names. I even made reference to the fact that they weren't there to win.
I mentioned the Bredahl brothers before. Norway is NOT the same as Denmark and Battling Nelson means nothing to a modern fighter as far as precedent.
How can you "expose" someone who isn't claiming to be anything more than he is?
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It might surprise some people to know that Europe is a continent, not a country...
5 minutes ago I was screaming ''IDIOT!!!'' at my monitor. But anyway...
By the way, is that Gary Barlow ???
Thanks. It's yours truly. Finally I have an alternative to Charlton Heston as a celebrity lookalike! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
I fixed that for you :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JimboogieI'd rep you again if I could... Glad to see you actually managed to reiterate your points so clearly and calmly amongst the madness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dadi AstthorssonThat's ad hominem. You also assume I said Damgaard was good and that I'm biased. You don't know anything about me. I'm about as Scandinavian as your average person from the UK is. I just read a book on Danish boxing history and was dropping information in response to the query of the thread title. A mistake I won't make again, I guess. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rascal
A fraud is someone trying to be something he's not. Gatti needed an opponent and he got one. Everybody with a shiny record has bums on it. A bum on your record is a bum on your record. I explained how the Danish circuit works. It's very hard to lose when you are never challenged. It's all about filling the fight card. Was I writing that to tell you how great these guys are? Brian Nielsen certainly had NO illusions of grandeur before he fought Mike Tyson. It was just an adventure, the same with the Bredahl brothers, only they managed unexpected success.
"I'm just looking at his record now. I can't recognize one damn name apart from Gatti. And the guy he fought right before Gatti was 2-6!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I simply responded to this blanket statement by providing the names. I even made reference to the fact that they weren't there to win.
I mentioned the Bredahl brothers before. Norway is NOT the same as Denmark and Battling Nelson means nothing to a modern fighter as far as precedent.
How can you "expose" someone who isn't claiming to be anything more than he is?
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It might surprise some people to know that Europe is a continent, not a country...
5 minutes ago I was screaming ''IDIOT!!!'' at my monitor. But anyway...
By the way, is that Gary Barlow ???
Oh did you now? :D
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Originally Posted by Dadi AstthorssonThat's ad hominem. You also assume I said Damgaard was good and that I'm biased. You don't know anything about me. I'm about as Scandinavian as your average person from the UK is. I just read a book on Danish boxing history and was dropping information in response to the query of the thread title. A mistake I won't make again, I guess. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rascal
A fraud is someone trying to be something he's not. Gatti needed an opponent and he got one. Everybody with a shiny record has bums on it. A bum on your record is a bum on your record. I explained how the Danish circuit works. It's very hard to lose when you are never challenged. It's all about filling the fight card. Was I writing that to tell you how great these guys are? Brian Nielsen certainly had NO illusions of grandeur before he fought Mike Tyson. It was just an adventure, the same with the Bredahl brothers, only they managed unexpected success.
"I'm just looking at his record now. I can't recognize one damn name apart from Gatti. And the guy he fought right before Gatti was 2-6!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I simply responded to this blanket statement by providing the names. I even made reference to the fact that they weren't there to win.
I mentioned the Bredahl brothers before. Norway is NOT the same as Denmark and Battling Nelson means nothing to a modern fighter as far as precedent.
How can you "expose" someone who isn't claiming to be anything more than he is?
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It might surprise some people to know that Europe is a continent, not a country...
I never said anything about Norway being the SAME as Denmark...I said clearly Close By Norway...Meaning it is a nearby country...I also mentioned Havnaa as part of Danish fighters from the past who were champions because he fought his career in Denmark...Countries tend to adopt fighters from nearby countries especially after them spending their career there...
Maybe you should read things a bit more clearly and for someone claiming to know so much about the sport would know that...You seem to focus on trying to correct other posters and show some sort of superiority complex...It impresses no one just debate the sport..
As for trying to be more then what he is.....I remember Damgaard stating before the Gatti fights in interview that he was looking for Mayweather and DLH after he was done with Gatti....
In fact he even stated that DLH could not make 147 so he would do him a favor and meet him at a catchweight.......He also stated Gatti had little chance to win due to the fact he was not a real 147lb fighter but would give an exciting fight....
How many guys call our PBF and DLH and not think they were something special....
Now I'm "claiming to know so much about the sport..."
Knowledge and information is not the same thing. I read a book. That doesn't make me one thing or another.
Don't worry, I'll just stay out of the Boxing Talk forum with my superiority complex and Scandinavian bias.
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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I agree completely with Jim, Dadi Althorsson absolutely owned that debate and did it respectfully and by backing up what he said. He's clearly not biased, he just happens to possibly understand the boxing politics of Scandinavia a little better than those of us in the UK or US.
Dadi, make sure you stick around here, your stuff is always a good read, don't restrict yourself to Ask The Trainer. :cool:
P.S. You do look like Gary Barlow
T-shirt Hell.com ay..? Might have to scoop me one of those :cool:
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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I agree completely with Jim, Dadi Althorsson absolutely owned that debate and did it respectfully and by backing up what he said. He's clearly not biased, he just happens to possibly understand the boxing politics of Scandinavia a little better than those of us in the UK or US.
Dadi, make sure you stick around here, your stuff is always a good read, don't restrict yourself to Ask The Trainer. :cool:
P.S. You do look like Gary Barlow
Owned what debate?...He said In Denmark there has not been any fighters in the past Pre Kessler as world class champions and mostly they are happy just to fight in Denmark...I named at least 3...One from Norway not Denmark..then advised me they are not the same country....Gee I did not know that:vd:...Then I mentioned though he was from Norway he fought his whole career in Denmark..
He said Daamguard never acted as if he was anything more then a local fighter happy to be that way and he never acted as if he was anything more..
I mentioned when Damguaard stated after Gatti he wanted PBF and DLH calling them out clearly....I stated that sounds like a guy who thinks a bit more of himself then a local big shot...
So exactly whwre was this big debate he owned?
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
:rolleyes:
I agree completely with Jim, Dadi Althorsson absolutely owned that debate and did it respectfully and by backing up what he said. He's clearly not biased, he just happens to possibly understand the boxing politics of Scandinavia a little better than those of us in the UK or US.
Dadi, make sure you stick around here, your stuff is always a good read, don't restrict yourself to Ask The Trainer. :cool:
P.S. You do look like Gary Barlow
Owned what debate?...He said In Denmark there has not been any fighters in the past Pre Kessler as world class champions and mostly they are happy just to fight in Denmark...I named at least 3...One from Norway not Denmark..then advised me they are not the same country....Gee I did not know that:vd:...Then I mentioned though he was from Norway he fought his whole career in Denmark..
He said Daamguard never acted as if he was anything more then a local fighter happy to be that way and he never acted as if he was anything more..
I mentioned when Damguaard stated after Gatti he wanted PBF and DLH calling them out clearly....I stated that sounds like a guy who thinks a bit more of himself then a local big shot...
So exactly whwre was this big debate he owned? His were opinion except for the Norway and Denmark being different places...I recited actual facts...He has brought up Denmark in every post in this thread...Why I have no idea but whatever
I mentioned when Damguaard stated after Gatti he wanted PBF and DLH calling them out clearly....
Okay you mentioned it but would you care to validate this 'actual fact'?
I'm not doubting you... But as they say; 'for the benefit of the record' and all that...
Lord forgive me for what I have done...
I simply was wondering what ever happened to Damgaard and if anyone knew anything about thim.
I did not mean to incite a fukking boxing nerd riot...
:rolleyes:
Who cares:vd:
I cant copy and paste it so here is the linkQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimboogie
Interview with Thomas Damgaard - Boxing News
For at least one interview, in this one he comes off less assertive but I was at press conferences for the fight where Damgaard almost seemed to be overlooking Gatti....
Now don't get me wrong I am not saying that Damgaard is a guy who was full of himself or is he an arrogant guy but he certainly does not/ did not take himself as a guy who was nothing more then a hometown fighter...He really thought the Gatti fight was his opp to the big time and he had the advantage going in...
Damgaard was a popular fighter here in DK due to his style and his heart. I guess, he is one of the closest things to a (poor man's) version of Gatti (!) to come out of Denmark.
I know that he has gotten a lot of crap for being ranked so high (The Ring had him no. 4-7 for years) and for having such a padded record, but, as Dadi mentioned here, few people 'in the know' thought of him as more than he was: A good, watchable European-level fighter.
It should also be mentioned that he had a decent (not great) amateur career and turned professional quite late (age 27). Compared to the expectations at the time, his pro career was actually a surprise achievement. He won the European belt the same year he turned pro (1998), then defended against Khalid Rahilou which was certainly a solid - and surprising - win. Rahilou was less than six months away from being alphabet champ at the time. Given the circumstances, I think most Danish boxing fans would rank this win among the top 20 moments in Danish boxing during the past 20 years (I know, this might say more about Danish boxing than about the fight).
Unfortunately, beating Rahilou in his 12th pro fight was arguably the finest moment of Damgaard's career too. However, you got to give a certain amount of respect to a guy who turns pro at 27, without too much of an amateur pedigree, and without too much boxing talent either, yet manages to beat Rahilou, Greg Haugen and Alessandro Duran (and 18 others) and win EBU titles in 2 weight classes in less than 32 months after turning pro.
Sure, he was exposed against Gatti - he was in well over his head. However, for me, it was just a great fighter (as in: One of those good guys who make the sport worth following, not as in a great talent) getting his major pay day. I find the comparisons with the Bredahl brothers strange, as they were much better fighters to begin with, while Jimmie Bredahl actually did get the shot with De La Hoya that Damgaard is critized for dreaming of (along with every single other boxer in history).
Oh, and as for the question that started this thread? Damgaard is now retired, and works as TV-announcer during Danish boxing events. Unfortunately, he has very clearly been hit too many times to actually be good at this.
Daxx, you really come across as being incredibly insufferable in most of your posts, and stoop lower than most good posters on this site on a regular basis when trying to debate something. The guy made some good points, obviously DOES know more than you about the particular fighter and country in question, and never misconstrued anything another poster wrote in this thread. Why get all condescending? That response was textbook hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Dadi AstthorssonThat's ad hominem. You also assume I said Damgaard was good and that I'm biased. You don't know anything about me. I'm about as Scandinavian as your average person from the UK is. I just read a book on Danish boxing history and was dropping information in response to the query of the thread title. A mistake I won't make again, I guess. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rascal
A fraud is someone trying to be something he's not. Gatti needed an opponent and he got one. Everybody with a shiny record has bums on it. A bum on your record is a bum on your record. I explained how the Danish circuit works. It's very hard to lose when you are never challenged. It's all about filling the fight card. Was I writing that to tell you how great these guys are? Brian Nielsen certainly had NO illusions of grandeur before he fought Mike Tyson. It was just an adventure, the same with the Bredahl brothers, only they managed unexpected success.
"I'm just looking at his record now. I can't recognize one damn name apart from Gatti. And the guy he fought right before Gatti was 2-6!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
I simply responded to this blanket statement by providing the names. I even made reference to the fact that they weren't there to win.
I mentioned the Bredahl brothers before. Norway is NOT the same as Denmark and Battling Nelson means nothing to a modern fighter as far as precedent.
How can you "expose" someone who isn't claiming to be anything more than he is?
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It might surprise some people to know that Europe is a continent, not a country...
I never said anything about Norway being the SAME as Denmark...I said clearly Close By Norway...Meaning it is a nearby country...I also mentioned Havnaa as part of Danish fighters from the past who were champions because he fought his career in Denmark...Countries tend to adopt fighters from nearby countries especially after them spending their career there...
Maybe you should read things a bit more clearly and for someone claiming to know so much about the sport would know that...You seem to focus on trying to correct other posters and show some sort of superiority complex...It impresses no one just debate the sport..
As for trying to be more then what he is.....I remember Damgaard stating before the Gatti fights in interview that he was looking for Mayweather and DLH after he was done with Gatti....
In fact he even stated that DLH could not make 147 so he would do him a favor and meet him at a catchweight.......He also stated Gatti had little chance to win due to the fact he was not a real 147lb fighter but would give an exciting fight....
How many guys call our PBF and DLH and not think they were something special....