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I don't.
For the first time in a long time in a big ppv fight, I don't think one of the guys has a chance in hell.
Clottey covers up wayyy too much, lets the other guy get off, fades down the stretch, and isn't a huge puncher.
He is pretty durable though and that said I think Pacqauio will stop him in the later rounds.
Clottey isn't gonna get stopped. The opponent gets off but doesn't land much. With all that said, Clottey can BEAT Pacquiao, but beating someone like Pacquiao isn't enough, you have to demolish him to win.
Clottey isn't a demolisher, he is someone who can "beat" anyone but not do enough to "win"
Of course clottey has a chance and in a way I think it'd be great if he did win (although it would upset a pac vs mayweather megafight even further) all it takes is one good punch.
Hopefully it'll be a fair fight.
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Originally Posted by Hornfinger
agree
Yep, I agree-he has no chance in hell. He's also too predictable, like all of Pacman's recent opponents, which is another reason why he'll be stopped, but I think it will be early. Don't forget that Clottey's been fighting since 1995.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
agreed an absoloute no brainerQuote:
Originally Posted by djcioneYep, I agree-he has no chance in hell. He's also too predictable, like all of Pacman's recent opponents, which is another reason why he'll be stopped, but I think it will be early. Don't forget that Clottey's been fighting since 1995.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
would possibly be the biggest upset since tyson-douglas if he was to pull it off, what most people have already said clottey isnt the type of fighter who is going to get battered from pillar to post but he also isnt one thats prepared to take massive risks to get the job done and this may just be a 12round cruise for pacquiao with a clean sweep 120-108 at the end
Did you guys see the Kellerman Face-off?
Kellerman: "What do you think Clottey does well?"
Pacquiao: "Uh" uncomfortable silence "he can defense"
Personally, I think this fight is going to look a lot like Khan/Kotelnik
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Originally Posted by killersheep
pacs honesty at times is brutal, straight after he knocked out hatton...
kellerman:did you invisage the fight would be over so soon??
Pacquiao:im surprised this was such an easy fight for me
I disagree. Morales didn't demolish him. He schooled him. I don't think if Pac wins, he stops Clottey. I think to beat Pac he's going to have to use his size to his advantage. Put his body on Pac, hold and hit a couple times, tax Manny's legs. If he can get him to slow down he can have more success hitting him and I think Clottey's power may be a little underrated. Manny has the tendency to stand and let an opponent get a couple freebies once or twice in a fight. Clottey has to be ready for that and go to his body. If Joshua can avoid tiring out, a tall order for sure, he has a better than okay chance at winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I don't think Clottey will get stopped but I said the same thing about Cotto. Clottey is a tough durable fighter but doesn't do any one thing outstanding. I think we will see a one sided contest in favor of Pacquiao. Similiar to what he did to David Diaz except knock him out.
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Originally Posted by The Fightfan
cotto went all or nothing against margarito hence getting himself knocked out. I fully expected cotto to not take his foot of the pedal and go for broke.
Clottey has on a few occasions not excerted extra pressure in close fights which is why his lost a few decisions. Joshua will go 12
I think Clottey should be fighting Winky Wright at 154. A mirror of shells.
I think Winky was a better fighter who accomplished far more than Clottey has.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
To be honest from my view, at the start I was thinking that clottey has a chance, but since I just rewatched the clottey vs cotto fight, I think paquiao is going to absolutely paste joshua clottey. Cotto at times got through clottey's guard with consumate ease with nice straight punches, I think pacman has that plus more angles and more leather. I wouldn't be surpised if clottey was out of there inside 8 rounds... If cotto can put him down with a jab then he's in for a beat down.
I don't give him much of a chance. He'll be in shape. That pretty much means he'll be able to sustain more of a beating and might be the only reason he sees the final bell.
Watching the vids at fightnews though... Even though his mittwork guy is horrible, Clottey at this point doesnt look like he could swat a fly with doormat? His hands are slow, he's winging his hooks and I wouldnt be surprised to see him hurt a hand or wrist up to or during the fight. His work on the double end ball looks pretty sloppy too and he doesn't even have to chase the double end ball. Clottey right now, looks like hes going to make it easy for Pac to go under his shots, do his work and then get out.
Honestly voicing every boxing fan in the worlds thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
pacs honesty at times is brutal, straight after he knocked out hatton...
kellerman:did you invisage the fight would be over so soon??
Pacquiao:im surprised this was such an easy fight for me
Wouldnt it be nice to see Clottey get lucky early and Pac have to fight his way out of a hole for all the mid rounds. :D:p
Yes he has an outside chance.
First time in the last few of his fights that Pacman is a big favorate so I would not be supprised if he is not mentaly up for it.
It's been 3 and a half years now though, since he's done anything meaningful. The only difference I see in their styles is that Winky has a jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethI think Winky was a better fighter who accomplished far more than Clottey has.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
I think Pac Man overlooking Clottey and being a little undertrained is Clottey's only real chance.
If Pacqauio comes in like he did against Larios a few years ago then Clottey might could capitalize.
But I don't see that happeneing.
I'm sick of picking againsed Pac and being bang wrong so I don't give him a chance at all.
I see that slo-mo of Floyd & Shane pushing each other in your signature (I'm not sure if that's what it's called). It looks like they're smiling and just playing around. Was it scripted or did they actually look serious in real time? Sorry to go off-thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I dunno if it was serious or not but Shanes kung fu block made me laugh;DQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerI see that slo-mo of Floyd & Shane pushing each other in your signature (I'm not sure if that's what it's called). It looks like they're smiling and just playing around. Was it scripted or did they actually look serious in real time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Here check the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQnBu...ayer_embedded#
Thanks, Kel. It still looks like they're playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI dunno if it was serious or not but Shanes kung fu block made me laugh;DQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerI see that slo-mo of Floyd & Shane pushing each other in your signature (I'm not sure if that's what it's called). It looks like they're smiling and just playing around. Was it scripted or did they actually look serious in real time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Here check the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQnBu...ayer_embedded#
And we hijacked this thread. Now, back to Clottey ...
To win? I don't think he will but to say no chance in hell? A bit harsh...This guyt is dangerous....Clottey is just a bit slow and too defensive minded but in the end he is a dangerous opponent for anyone!!!!
There is a reason Clottey is not in more high profile bouts and it is not because he is not good enough.......He is a bit too much risk for too little reward and is not the most marketable fighter.....
Actually they were serious...Mosley has a strong dislike of Mayweather...Nothing scripted about itQuote:
Originally Posted by KelI dunno if it was serious or not but Shanes kung fu block made me laugh;DQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerI see that slo-mo of Floyd & Shane pushing each other in your signature (I'm not sure if that's what it's called). It looks like they're smiling and just playing around. Was it scripted or did they actually look serious in real time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Here check the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQnBu...ayer_embedded#
Gotta love it...Funniest part is Manny meant no disrespect by it ha ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer:lolhaha::lolhaha::lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
pacs honesty at times is brutal, straight after he knocked out hatton...
kellerman:did you invisage the fight would be over so soon??
Pacquiao:im surprised this was such an easy fight for me
I really have no interest in this Pac/Clottey fight. I am reading about boxing everyday, but it's a fight that just isn't crossing over into my radar. After the promise of Mayweather/Pac and the diva antics that ensued, Pac/Clottey has left nothing but a bitter taste. All my attention is on Mayweather/Mosley instead. It is a far more interesting matchup.
As it is, I hope Clottey shocks everyone by knocking out Pac, but I have a hard time seeing it happen. All of Manny's recent big name wins have come against fighters who are fresh off bad knockouts or past it and weight drained. Clottey, as good as he is, isn't damaged, but fits into the David Diaz category in that he is durable, but doesn't do anything particularly remarkable. Pac will likely out work him and wear him down or take a decent decision.
Manny could have gone after Mosley, who is regarded as the top WW, but once again they have decided to avoid him. They should have fought him instead of Cotto and they should have fought him now.
Pac/Clottey? Does anyone really care? I know I don't.
i like watching people fight.
thats why i care.
You're mixing up the chronological sequence Cotto has a win over Mosley. A fight with Cotto is as good as a fight with Mosley. And Pac cant fight him now because the haiti tragedy happened after Pac-Clottey was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerThanks, Kel. It still looks like they're playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI dunno if it was serious or not but Shanes kung fu block made me laugh;DQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
Here check the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQnBu...ayer_embedded#
And we hijacked this thread. Now, back to Clottey ...
You can clearly see in that vid (when they go nose-2-nose) that Mosley has longer arms.
I'm just sayin this in response to something Teath posted a couple of days ago... Carry on...
Cotto was damaged goods after the Margarito fight. I thought everybody knew that.
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Manny could have gone after Mosley, who is regarded as the top WW, but once again they have decided to avoid him
I wonder why Pac didn't try to fight Mosley. As soon as his fight vs Berto was cancelled, Mayweather stepped in and took the fight. Where was Pac? I would expect BOTH of them doing what they could for that opportunity but Floyd took the initiative here while Pac looked for an easy fight.
I don't give Clottey any chance at all either. I find it interesting how people try to sell that fight saying that Clottey is so dangerous, Pac's biggest challenge ever, blah blah blah. Why hasn't any journalist said anything about it? I do see journalists saying over and over how Floyd has not taken a real challenge and all but when it comes to Pac vs Clottey or other weight-drained, past-their-prime guys, etc. then Pac gets praised. I don't get it.
I don't cuz I think he's slow, slower than David Diaz.
I think Mosley/Berto was still on when Pac signed to fight Clottey. I need to check the timeline, but I'm pretty sure that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Yes, let's see if that was the case. Also, Mosley has been asking Pac for a shot too but somehow it has not materialized.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI think Mosley/Berto was still on when Pac signed to fight Clottey. I need to check the timeline, but I'm pretty sure that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
That was the case. It was only teh Haiti tragedy that he pulled out. And then a fight with Mosley-Mayweather was on.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI think Mosley/Berto was still on when Pac signed to fight Clottey. I need to check the timeline, but I'm pretty sure that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
And for people saying why he didn't take Mosley after hatton. If he did and did beat him, it would be because he was too old and inactive and there would be questions why he didn't fight Cotto. Same thing is being said if Mayweather beats Mosley, that Mosley is now too old and inactive.
I remember this forum being split 50/50 with the Cotto fight, but after that fight the same people who picked Cotto to win said he was a shot fighter after the fight.
So let's not bullshit with that.
I agree. I picked Pacquiao to beat Cotto, for a number of reasons, but unless you say those beforehand then you can't suddenly decide on it afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Anyway, Pacquiao destroys Clottey. Not saying he definitely KO's him (maybe corner or ref stoppage), but it will be one-sided. Clottey hasn't even been able to get his trainer for this camp. Arum appears to have done as little as possible to help Clottey out.
If he wins, it's the biggest upset of the past decade for me.
I like this fight and think it may surprise some.May.The major thing is that Clottey has some outstanding physical tools but frankly no burning intense fire and desire.Without that he will lose to Manny.He goes somewhat limp,be it easing off Alvarez and going through the motions,nearly sobbing and sounding as if he wanted to quit on his stool in between the 9th round vs Margarito...yeah,yeah,hurt hands I know.He had em going in and Margarito was also with injury going in,easing off a bloodied and wilting Cotto late in their fight...falling all over and laying on canvas like some Hollywood harlot.He has size,great tight defense,respectable pop,a solid beard and a HUGE opportunity,but I think he'll again allow himself and find a way to fall short and not maximize his tools.And he also will not be able to match that buzz saw that is Manny Pacqioua and most certainly wont match his intensity.
I would not totally right him off,but he'll have to punch 'with' Pac.Not just prior....or after....but with,in between his rushes and earn his respect.If you do not earm Pacs respect he'll go jail house master on you and bust you up ,inside and out.Make you doubt.I think he has a slim chance,hes no walk over but as the rounds and pressure build,I think he'll become more happy to just be sharing the spotlight and payday rather than actually claim it for himself.Hope I'm wrong.
Not me ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI agree. I picked Pacquiao to beat Cotto, for a number of reasons, but unless you say those beforehand then you can't suddenly decide on it afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Anyway, Pacquiao destroys Clottey. Not saying he definitely KO's him (maybe corner or ref stoppage), but it will be one-sided. Clottey hasn't even been able to get his trainer for this camp. Arum appears to have done as little as possible to help Clottey out.
If he wins, it's the biggest upset of the past decade for me.
I was shocked as fuck how well Manny stood up to the few solid shots that Cotto landed. It's that apparent resilience that had me grossly overrating him (the whole ''why shouldn't Manny be ratted as high as Duran'' episode).