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Clottey said Pacquiao doesn't hit hard then why he's reluctant to engage?
Clottey said Pacquiao doesn't hit hard then why he's reluctant to engage?
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Re: Clottey said Pacquiao doesn't hit hard then why he's reluctant to engage?
De la Hoya said the same thing. They are talking about pure one punch power. Pac overwhelms his opponents with barrages of punches from all angles. Thats what does the trick. And Clottey always waits for his turn to punch. Pac doesn't give you a turn. This fight was very predictable.
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not been disrespectful but how can you say it was predictable? alot of people on here and in the boxing world said pacman pushed it to far and will struggle with clotty :/
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Is Clottey reluctant to engage? Afraid to engage? Or has less openings to engage?
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I don't think Manny does hit that hard. It's the volume and speed that overwhelms people and they can't keep up. I think the Hatton KO was so bad because Hatton's chin has been on the wane since Tyszu. Collazo nearly had him, Urango rocked him to the body, Mayweather did a double KO and even Lazcano had him wobbly. Stick him in with Manny who has pop and punches from angles you aren't expecting and out you go. Cotto has holes in his chin and has been regularly checked on his way up, but it was the ref who stopped it, Cotto would have got through the round. DLH wasn't knocked down and simply quit and Clottey made it through by not punching back. Manny has power, but I don't think he has the same one punch power of a fighter like Mosley.
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Originally Posted by
rowza
not been disrespectful but how can you say it was predictable? alot of people on here and in the boxing world said pacman pushed it to far and will struggle with clotty :/
No matter how much some of us wanted Clottey to produce something, most of us knew what would happen. It was predictable. You knew Clottey wouldn't throw many punches nor take the fight to Manny. And you knew Manny would likely throw a hundred punches a round as a consequence. A wide points win was always the most likely result.
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His problem wasn't being hit hard it was being hit so often and not being willing to punch through it or at all.Easy to say from the living room,I know but its a pattern with him.He had Cotto all but gone and I believe there to be finished.He eases and is too content,seems he just wants to be share the spotlight rather than attempt to take it for himself.
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Clottey's face always looked good even in his losing fights. Against Pacquiao (tho I think Clottey has a broken nose), against Cotto, against Margarito, against Baldomir. Clottey's face looked unscatched in those fights he lost.
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Manny's power at this weight has been surprising to me (therein lies the drugs argument), so I disagree with the thought that its just speed and angles. Hatton's chin was on the wane but that was an ungodly KO. He hurt Cotto badly, capital letters BADLY, with single punches. Only reason Cotto survived as much as he did was he got on his bike big time. ODLH and Clottey have always been very durable guys so its not surprising he didn't KO them with one shot or many shots but he got their attention without a doubt.
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Clottey should have no trouble eating Pacquiao's pillow punches, right?
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He has an abundance of physical tools, however Clottey just doesn't have the mental make up of a great fighter.
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Pacquiao is a very hard hitting Superlightweight.
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
Manny's power at this weight has been surprising to me (therein lies the drugs argument)
not enough drugs on pacs body otherwise he wouldve won via KO. peds can make you better against anyone provided the opponent is clean. so whether you have a granite chin you will go down against a boxer who is juiced up.
one more thing tyson can open up a guard by simply punching the opponents glove out of the way.
so pac took too little juice cause he wasnt able to move clots gloves at all.
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Originally Posted by
miles
I don't think Manny does hit that hard. It's the volume and speed that overwhelms people and they can't keep up. I think the Hatton KO was so bad because Hatton's chin has been on the wane since Tyszu. Collazo nearly had him, Urango rocked him to the body, Mayweather did a double KO and even Lazcano had him wobbly. Stick him in with Manny who has pop and punches from angles you aren't expecting and out you go. Cotto has holes in his chin and has been regularly checked on his way up, but it was the ref who stopped it, Cotto would have got through the round. DLH wasn't knocked down and simply quit and Clottey made it through by not punching back. Manny has power, but I don't think he has the same one punch power of a fighter like Mosley.
Great quote in that film Facing Ali - I can't remember who it was from, perhaps Ron Lyle?
Anyway, he's trying to describe the difference between Foreman and Frazier. He says: "Getting hit by George is like getting hit by a truck doing 30 miles an hour, while getting hit by Joe is like getting hit by a Pontiac doing 70 miles an hour. They both hurt, but it's different.";D
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Clearly he only fought Clottey in order to see whether he could retain his power without all the juice, like a trial run before he could agree to the blood testing against Floyd. Now the fight won't get made because he can't, it's obvious;D
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p4pking
Clearly he only fought Clottey in order to see whether he could retain his power without all the juice, like a trial run before he could agree to the blood testing against Floyd. Now the fight won't get made because he can't, it's obvious;D
yeah he cant, he was really gasping for air and extremely tired! maybe god was the reason why he was able to throw more than a thousand punches. :)
from the very start i knew he wasnt as juiced as normal. heck he even smiled less during the ring entrance.
or maybe clot is on some stronger voodoo juice? stronger than the meth that we have here in the philippines? cause the only way not to get KOd by a juiced boxer is if you took double the amount.
or maybe pac was weakened cause he recently got a new tat on his arm?
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Joshua had his chance and blew it. He showed he could take Pacs power but didnt do anything about it. Reminded me of Mcullough against Nas. He took his shots but what next? Pac will be beaten when a guy takes his shots and punches back. Floyd and Shane spring to mind but a limited guy like Clottey had no chance when he wasnt letting his hands go. He would have made any fighter look good that night with those tactics. Disapointed in him but Im sure he will come again cuz he is a gatekeeper.
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GAME
Joshua had his chance and blew it. He showed he could take Pacs power but didnt do anything about it. Reminded me of Mcullough against Nas. He took his shots but what next? Pac will be beaten when a guy takes his shots and punches back. Floyd and Shane spring to mind but a limited guy like Clottey had no chance when he wasnt letting his hands go. He would have made any fighter look good that night with those tactics. Disapointed in him but Im sure he will come again cuz he is a gatekeeper.
I gotta disagree with that
Clottey knew the instant he attempted engage he simply couldnt handle pacquiaos speed and movement and simply chose to spend 12rounds not taking too many risks and hoping for pacquiao to make a mistake
He now has on his record that he went 12rounds with pacquiao in the middle weights, something no man has yet done
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hattonthehammer
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Originally Posted by
GAME
Joshua had his chance and blew it. He showed he could take Pacs power but didnt do anything about it. Reminded me of Mcullough against Nas. He took his shots but what next? Pac will be beaten when a guy takes his shots and punches back. Floyd and Shane spring to mind but a limited guy like Clottey had no chance when he wasnt letting his hands go. He would have made any fighter look good that night with those tactics. Disapointed in him but Im sure he will come again cuz he is a gatekeeper.
I gotta disagree with that
Clottey knew the instant he attempted engage he simply couldnt handle pacquiaos speed and movement and simply chose to spend 12rounds not taking too many risks and hoping for pacquiao to make a mistake
He now has on his record that he went 12rounds with pacquiao in the middle weights, something no man has yet done
Yeah I agree he chose not to take too many risks but what Im saying is that its a pretty poor attempt to fight a smaller guy whos moving up in weight and spend 12 rounds in survivial mode. He should have tried to test Pac abit. Pacquiaos been knocked out before and although he's improved alot since then, its isnt proven thats its because of performance enhancing drugs. Pacs still human so Josh should have gone for it instead of saying after the fight that Pac doesnt hit hard cuz it makes him look more stupid.
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Yeah, it sure look and sound stupid for a fighter to cover up for the full 12 rounds... unmindful of any possible counters or chances to win you the fight, and then proclaim afterwards that the opposition's punches didn't hurt you. This is the height of hypocrisy on display at the very least.
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I only remember Fenster calling for an upset and that wasn't for any rational reason, except Pac had almost all the advantages and it was his time. Go ahead and look back through the threads and see how many people picked Clottey. The biggest discussion was Pac by wide UD or late KO. That covers this forum.
As for the boxing media in general, they only talked about how big he was compared to Pac to make it sound more interesting to sell tickets. I don't think anyone there picked Clottey either.
This wasn't like his ODLH and Hatton fights where it was 50/50 in picking who would win. This fight was predicted to be a blowout and it delivered.
As to the original question, Clottey has always been reluctant to engage. He's always been one to wait his turn.
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I have always disliked Clotty, the way he always stops fighting in the later rounds, the way he acts like a flopper when any punch goes anywhere near his medal cup(remember he pulled this bit on Cotto even after Cotto said nothing about the Clotty headbut that caused blood to flow right into his eye) and now for the way he behaved against Pacquio.
Hopefully his big fights are done.
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Here's the thing.We would not be talking about steroids if weren't for the mayweather's.Any time a fighter come along and runs throught the opposition everyone starts screaming foul.Clottey has never been knoced out.He's never been down.I wasn't looking for manny to knock him I was looking for fight to go to the score cards.It just amazes me that even after this clottey fight and manny passing the drug tests that people would still be making steroid allegations.Manny is by far the pound for pound of this decade.I think that Floyd should welcome the challenge of facing a fighter who is as good as he is if not better.The Floyd followers should want to see their fighter have to elevate his game to another level and show us how he good he really is.As manny's trainer said in the ring after the fight that"Flod needs to let the boxing commission do their job and come and fight them".
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toe2toe
Is Clottey reluctant to engage? Afraid to engage? Or has less openings to engage?
Pacquiao just doesn't give time to engage...Look at most fighters or fights...One guy gets off with his combo steps back resets in the meantime looks to avoid getting hit....
With Manny he throws 5,6,7,8 or more punches at a time and just as he steps back he is in again...He never stops coming add that with speed you miss and it allws him to get in 2 or 3 clear shots w no defense to cushion the blow...Just too much at one time
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Not re-watched the fight sober yet but although I was annoyed at Clottey for covering up and throwing nothing at all, Pac did make it very difficult for him. Literally every time Glottey dropped his shoulders to throw something Pac was already on him. Pac gives you absolutely no time at all...
Where as Pac may not hit as hard as other fighters at this weight/level he's definietly one of if not the quickest! This more than makes up for any supposed lack of power.
On a side note, has the tread starter got a link to this comment as I haven't read that anywhere? A good judge of Pac's power would be Cotto and do remember him saying how surprised he was at Pac's power...
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Pacquiao is extremely fast.
Pacquiao's speed, workrate and angles is what overwhelmed Clottey.
Not his power.
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Clottey is in no position to comment on Pacquiao.
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Originally Posted by
rowza
not been disrespectful but how can you say it was predictable? alot of people on here and in the boxing world said pacman pushed it to far and will struggle with clotty :/
Who are all these people who said Pac pushed it too far by fighting Clottey? Clottey??? Clottey has only registered 1 KO in his last 12 fights. He wasn't going to outbox Pac. Pac had already KO'd De la Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto. Clottey is the most stationary and the least offensive fighter Pac has faced. Read the threads. I and many other people predicted Pac to win by easy decision or late round stoppage. How could you not have seen this coming? What did you see in Clottey or Pac that made you think differently? I hope you weren't just going with blind hope.:)
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blegit
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Originally Posted by
rowza
not been disrespectful but how can you say it was predictable? alot of people on here and in the boxing world said pacman pushed it to far and will struggle with clotty :/
Who are all these people who said Pac pushed it too far by fighting Clottey? Clottey??? Clottey has only registered 1 KO in his last 12 fights. He wasn't going to outbox Pac. Pac had already KO'd De la Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto. Clottey is the most stationary and the least offensive fighter Pac has faced. Read the threads. I and many other people predicted Pac to win by easy decision or late round stoppage. How could you not have seen this coming? What did you see in Clottey or Pac that made you think differently? I hope you weren't just going with blind hope.:)
exactly, there was a "I'm PRAYING for a Clottey Victory" thread for a reason, cause it would have taken a miracle for Clottey to win
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What killed me about that fight was that Clottey would land and get Manny of the defensive. Pac would back off and cover up, and Clottey gave him the time and space to recover. He was landing well. He did some damage to Pac and he could have done more if he would have just followed up his own work.
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RozzySean
What killed me about that fight was that Clottey would land and get Manny of the defensive. Pac would back off and cover up, and Clottey gave him the time and space to recover. He was landing well. He did some damage to Pac and he could have done more if he would have just followed up his own work.
Clottey doesnt have the skills or the killer instinct to do that. Its why he was chosen as an opponent. All he could do was cover up. Its a pretty basic defence but Pac couldnt break it and Pac marked up alot from the few shots Clottey did land. Floyds defence is far more layered and he would land more counters so Pac would mark up considerably more. I still doubt the fight will happen unless Pac is willing to budge. If he has grown dependant on these Peds then he wont take the test but if he isnt on anything then I think he will eventually agree to random testing and we will get the fight we want.
Floyd has business of his own to deal with 1st but I think he will beat Mosley on points.
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josef4334
Well there you have it. If it wasn't for the diarrhea and having to wanting to shit so badly Clottey would have won!;D
I know how Clottey feels, when you have a major stomach ache and have to shit real bad you just can't focus.
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Clottey is full of shit (lol..ok bad joke) clottey didn't throw punches for the same reason dogs chase cats. It's just his nature. The only people dissappointed in this fight were those who expected clottey to do anything different than he always does. You don't have to beat clottey, he beats himself. You could just as easy win rounds against this guy by throwing punches off his wrists and just looking busier. I've been practicing fortune telling and can predict his next fight too. He'll show up, huge as hell, keep his guard up not throw punches and loose. Pm me if you want the prediction of his fight after that, i've seen that one too. Congrats to pac for staying calm and at least trying.
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There was a fighter a who actually left the fight in the middle because he had to take one...Ran right out of the ring and to the back....Can't recall who it was......was a pretty important fight for the guy as well...Minor title or eliminator bout I think
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That was Roberto Duran....
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not so sure he needed to shit that bad... looked to me like he had all the shit beat out of him by rd 12 ;D
i can't stand crap like this... you had your chance and you lost, get over it ;)
classless imho :)
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adult diapers! and even if it was true, he should just let it all out. im sure pac will lose concentration or better yet be willing to get KOd by clot just to get rid of the smell!
when pac gave the excuse of having blisters atleast he showed it on cam. clot shouldve shown proof too! :)
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Saddo
not so sure he needed to shit that bad... looked to me like he had all the shit beat out of him by rd 12 ;D
i can't stand crap like this... you had your chance and you lost, get over it ;)
classless imho :)
Wasn't a man in the ring... neither out of it, after!
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Somewhere....right now. Ike Quartey and Azumah Nelson when asked of Clottey >:vd:
His 15 minutes have expired,he does not deserve another mega fight.let alone PPV
