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When will this guy become a top 10 p4p?I hope this cements him as one of the best in the sport. Wladimir Klitschko is big, faster, and powerful. He really impressed me with his athletic ability in this one. Chambers is very quick and Wladimir completely controlled his speed. Not only that but Wlad showed a lot of speed himself.
He's truly a special fighter who may never be appreciated in his time.
Hahaha behave, Wlad just beat up a little fella, without breaking sweat, he is so boring, he could of seriosuly knocked Chambers out in 6 rounds, he is a lazy fighter and doesn't have a lot in his locker, at the moment he is facing skillful guys who can't compete with him physically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
fuck me, no one will ever guess the spoiler from that title
Corrie Sanders;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
See now this is exaggeration. He beat a smaller guy who had no dangerous punch power. What is impressive about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Wlad has:
height advantage
reach advantage
power advantage
And with these advantages, it took 12 rounds. Now, I am not hating ok? I'm just saying that we shouldnt blow this out of proportion. When someone faces adversity and wins, thats one thing. Wlad had no adversity. He just had to try to land punches. If Eddie hit him, no way would eddie KO Wlad.
Eddie is a good fighter. He did try to win but he was physically outmatched and Wlad was the superior boxer.
Eddie did have a tiny bit of success with some body shots and lead right hands but he lacked the power to discourage Wlad all the while getting a jab off his gloves and face for 3 minutes of every round. Wlad's footwork made it very hard for Eddie to land clean, When Eddie did open up, Wlad would simply take a few steps back and launch more jabs.
I expected Eddie to use more movement, instead he opted to stand in front of Wlad with a high guard which was obviously a very bad idea. I doubt him moving more would of made much of a difference, when he did move Wlad cut off the ring well anyway.
It was nice to see a one punch KO, Eddie was totally out. Wlad should use his left hook more, it's a deadly punch when he uses it.
This version of Wlad would destroy Sanders.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossCorrie Sanders;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Hi guys, I can't agree with you here for two simple reasons. This weekend's fight (March 20, 2010):Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Anyway, Chambers' team (trainer) could've / should've thrown in the towel when Chambers got shook-up the first time in round 12. No need to have him suffer like that, I hope that someone will see it and actually replace that incompetent kind of leadership (as Chambers was awesome, against the unstoppable force, until he got totally worn-out I'm guessing).
- At the beginning of the fight Wlad knocked Chambers' gloves down, but didn't return the opposite greet.
- At the end of the fight, Wlad swung at and punched Chambers while he was down and out.
Thanks for reading, hope it wasn't boring. :)
P.S. There are two threads, one old and a fresh one @
- saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/58563-wlad-vs-chambers-3.html
- saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/59696-klitschko-chambers-weekend-anyone-else-excited.html
Hard to say that really, Wladimir Klitschko hasn't really met a dangerous fighter like Corrie Sanders for some years now. It was Corrie Sander's speed and aggression that won him the fight, he literally stormed out in the 1st round and Wladimir Klitschko never had a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticThis version of Wlad would destroy Sanders.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossCorrie Sanders;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I honestly don't think Wladimir Klitschko, could deal with a prime/dangerous Corrie Sanders. And he certainly wouldn't be able to just cruise to victory by using his jab either, his jab wouldn't be as effective against a Southpaw, especially a fast Southpaw like Corrie Sanders.
Remember even Vitali Klitschko had to take some hard shots, from Corrie Sanders before he won. Especially in the 1st round where he was quite badly stunned, Wladimir Klitschko wouldn't of been able to survive that onslaught.
Styles make fights and just because Wladimir Klitschko has improved, mostly due to the fact he fights more cautiously. Doesn't mean he would beat Corrie Sanders, i just can't see Wladimir Klitschko being able to hide behind his jab all night.
Considering Corrie Sanders is a Southpaw, is very quick handed. Plus he has a fair dig aswell.
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Originally Posted by nimd4Hi guys, I can't agree with you here for two simple reasons. This weekend's fight (March 20, 2010):Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Nothing really special about that, just another thug in the ring. I'd like to say that maybe he'll end up fighting long enough, so that this kind of thing will catch up to him, but for my first post here that would be messed up.
- At the beginning of the fight Wlad knocked Chambers' gloves down, but didn't return the opposite greet.
- At the end of the fight, Wlad swung at and punched Chambers while he was down and out.
Anyway, Chambers' team (trainer) could've / should've thrown in the towel when Chambers got shook-up the first time in round 12. No need to have him suffer like that, I hope that someone will see it and actually replace that incompetent kind of leadership (as Chambers was awesome, against the unstoppable force, until he got totally worn-out I'm guessing).
Thanks for reading, hope it wasn't boring. :)
P.S. There are two threads, one old and a fresh one @
- saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/58563-wlad-vs-chambers-3.html
- saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/59696-klitschko-chambers-weekend-anyone-else-excited.html
Hi, tnx. I edited the post to remove that sour remark I made -- but I guess I've done it a little too late. xd
I dont know if anyone else notices it but from what iv see of Sanders he has a style reminicent of Joe Calzaghe, that awrkward southpaw agression.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Wlad bored me once again he just very rarely throws his right hand Chambers should of been out of there by the 6th.Even Manny Steward didnt seem happy with Wlad not wanting to punch.
Wlad did okay,considering that Eddie did a "Clottey"...Wlad just needs to be more aggressive to be exciting...
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Wlad's embarrassing. If you ever get too close to him he just takes his left hand puts it on your forehead and either just blinds you with it/uses it as a measuring stick, if he doesn't do that he pushes off with it. If you get through that he just grabs and waits for the ref. Its kind of boxing. I guess.
There's no spoilers here....wlad wins !!?? No freakin way. Any guy povetkin can beat wlad can beat better. Same thing would happen to haye. If he'd quit running his mouth drawing pictures and fighting slow circus freaks...
HaHa...Ruiz or Valuev or both ? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mar
You know it amazes me when a heavyweight is called boring when he plays safety 1st, but when a lighter fighter does the same thing he is a defensive wizard and or technician ie BHop, Floyd Mayweather and they get called atg's; Now I'm not necessarily comparing him to them but the man is cleaning out the heavyweights no matter how you look at it and if there was another division above heavyweights I'm sure Vlad would rule that too. Another heavyweight bites the dust and people still knock him. I tell you what nobody in this era is going to beat a 100% Vlad unless they put their nuts out there and go for broke like Sanders did. Lennox Lewis could be boring as hell but he is in alot of atg heavyweight list without fighting Bowe, Moorer, Byrd or a rubber match with Evander or even fighting Vlad and he had been knocked out twice himself by lesser opponents and could put people to sleep (see Mavrovic and Tua fights) with his dull style. Vlad at this point should be in the p4p top 10 and deserves all the credit he has earned. He has lost before but like a true champion he has learned from his mistakes and this has made him a complete fighter. He will be missed when he is gone and no one is there to fill the void when the time comes...Long live Vlad and his dominant reign as heavyweight king. And kudos to Manny Steward for chipping away the final pebbles to his latest masterpiece.
I don't think this is fair. The guy Chambers' fought before Wlad was actually a little bigger than Wlad and quick and had good technical skills. Chagaev beat up Valuev. I don't think height alone is the reason Wlad is so good. Also using Corrie Sanders as an analogy to say what Wlad isn't good IMO is a little unfair. It's like saying Pep wasn't good because he couldn't get the better of Saddler. Or Marquez against Mayweather. I think stylewise, Sanders who is quick, southpaw, taller, and heavyhanded is the worst matchup for Wladimir. He would do a lot better against a orthodox fighter with those same traits, but a tall southpaw has too easy of a time landing on Wlad because his chin simply isn't good enough, and nobody can avoid a quick southpaw forever. I honestly think Wlad would have beaten almost everyone from the 90's and 70's when heavyweight boxing was in its "glory days"
Well not only what you said (which was summed up pretty well and agreed too many people use a fight from too long ago as basis to judge him)...But seriously Wlad was a whole different fighter then....That was 7 years ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
It would be like people dismissing everything Lennox Lewis accomplished because of his loss to MCCall
If Lennonx Lewis happened to be gay, he would be ripped constantly on this board. Wlad is an unreal good heavy weight.
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Originally Posted by eagleskins
Sorry don't know who you are or where you have posted in the past but guys around here don't make assumptions, hate/love fighters due to color....
Opinions of the people here are on what they believe of the fighters style, accomplishments, decisions etc...
And since your new I will catch you up to speed...Lennox is/has been ripped plenty on these boards
Welcome to the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by nimd4Hi guys, I can't agree with you here for two simple reasons. This weekend's fight (March 20, 2010):Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Anyway, Chambers' team (trainer) could've / should've thrown in the towel when Chambers got shook-up the first time in round 12. No need to have him suffer like that, I hope that someone will see it and actually replace that incompetent kind of leadership (as Chambers was awesome, against the unstoppable force, until he got totally worn-out I'm guessing).
- At the beginning of the fight Wlad knocked Chambers' gloves down, but didn't return the opposite greet.
- At the end of the fight, Wlad swung at and punched Chambers while he was down and out.
Thanks for reading, hope it wasn't boring. :)
P.S. There are two threads, one old and a fresh one @
- saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/58563-wlad-vs-chambers-3.html
- saddoboxing.com/boxingforum/59696-klitschko-chambers-weekend-anyone-else-excited.html
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Originally Posted by eagleskins
Because we're all a bunch of black-supremacists?
I've never noticed any racial bias in terms of which fighters are criticized on here.
Check the sig.
owned. :)
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Originally Posted by Pugilistic
People can say what they want but that is a hard sig to argue with :D
There is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.
You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.
Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.
With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.
There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.
When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!
Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?
And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.
Corrie Sanders is a tough fight for Wlad no doubt. His handspeed was sneaky and he had good pop.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHard to say that really, Wladimir Klitschko hasn't really met a dangerous fighter like Corrie Sanders for some years now. It was Corrie Sander's speed and aggression that won him the fight, he literally stormed out in the 1st round and Wladimir Klitschko never had a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticThis version of Wlad would destroy Sanders.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I honestly don't think Wladimir Klitschko, could deal with a prime/dangerous Corrie Sanders. And he certainly wouldn't be able to just cruise to victory by using his jab either, his jab wouldn't be as effective against a Southpaw, especially a fast Southpaw like Corrie Sanders.
Remember even Vitali Klitschko had to take some hard shots, from Corrie Sanders before he won. Especially in the 1st round where he was quite badly stunned, Wladimir Klitschko wouldn't of been able to survive that onslaught.
Styles make fights and just because Wladimir Klitschko has improved, mostly due to the fact he fights more cautiously. Doesn't mean he would beat Corrie Sanders, i just can't see Wladimir Klitschko being able to hide behind his jab all night.
Considering Corrie Sanders is a Southpaw, is very quick handed. Plus he has a fair dig aswell.
I personally think that Wlad could deal with that now though.
Since then Wlad has learned to control the pace and distance better, his footwork has improved, he is alot harder to hit now and he learned that him fighting on the inside isn't a good idea which is why he ties up his opponents.
Wlad has proved he can deal with speedy guys like Byrd and Chambers as well.
I would see the current version of Wlad controlling the fight with his jab, he wouldn't come forward against Sanders like he did before either, When Sanders did open up Klitschko would use his superior footwork to get out of the way and reset with his jab. His right hand would be a key weapon as well. It wouldn't be easy though and Sanders would always have a punchers chance.
Comparing Vitali and Wlad is a bit pointless imo, they have two different styles.
Wlad is more cautious, has the superior boxing ability/footwork/defense,etc where Vitali is more offensive and is more durable but is easier to hit.
Good post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThere is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.
You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.
Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.
With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.
There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.
When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!
Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?
And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.
Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.
Although i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored. Wlad stylistically would actually cause Tyson alot of problems because of his size, reach advantage, great jab,etc. I would favor Mike though.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesGood post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyThere is a very big difference between being a defensive master. And playing it safe when you have every physical advantage on a fighter. Wladimer jabs jabs jabs and grabs which he should be warned for.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Wladimer fights like he is scared to get knocked out again. Wladimer has size, power, speed, and accuracy on Chambers, explain to me why he has to jab for 12 rounds before finishing him.
You cannot compare him to Floyd or Whitaker or any defensive fighter.
Mayweather has speed over most anyone he faces and has the best defense in the business, yet when he has the opening he stops his opponents, and knocks them out and when he has a fighter hurt he goes for the kill when its there.
With Wladimer, it's been "there" for the last 6 rounds before he decided to do anything about it.
There's a difference between a boring fighter and a defensive artist. What Wlad does isn't being a defensive master its being scared to be knocked out again.
When you have reach, size, weight, He had a near 50 pound weight advantage. And power!!!
Tell me how someone with all these strengths waits for the 12th round to get someone out that he should get out in 4 or 5 rounds?
And don't say "its up to someone to bring it out of him and make him use it" That makes no sense, so he should wait till he gets hurt in a fight before he starts to use all the advantages he has? If anything prolonging a fight cause you're scared to go for the kill only makes another fighter braver and likens your chance to be stopped. There is no excuse to justify how Wladimer fights, so don't look for one.
Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.
Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.
Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.
Hopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticAlthough i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesGood post. In no other division can you hold such obvious advantages over your opponents and he plays it extremely safe in order to make the win. You have to respect him doing what he needs to do to win, but why on earth are 50, 000 people wanting to see it? It is bloody boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Jab, jab, jab then clinch if he can. I quite like how Chambers picked him up twice. I would like to see more of that. Chambers was simply too small and had the wrong style. What we need is either more big heavyweights who can deploy the same tools Wlad does or a strong smaller heavyweight who will move the head, slip and get inside and fire off punches before Wlad can. Someone like prime Tyson would have eaten Wlad Klitschko up for breakfast. Klitschko is really no defensive master, not at all. He just looks decent against fighters who give up trying to win and who turn all Clottey-esque on us.
Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.
Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.
Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.
I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.
yes and someone with the advantages of Wladimer, fights like he has none at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticAlthough i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.
Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.
Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.
I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.
As I said he has size, reach, speed, accuracy and POWER over any other Heavyweight out there. A height and reach advantage as well.
Now, why would someone with all these advantages have to take 12 rounds to stop any opponent? Simply put he is afraid of getting knocked out again. If he used all the skill he has he would be blowing people out in a round or two. You can talk trash about Lennox Lewis all you want but when he had someone he took them out of there so he wouldnt get caught with anything crazy. Wladimer just prolongs and prolongs and prolongs.
When Lennox had someone hurt he got them out.
Fact is Wladimer would take 12 rounds to beat Andrew Golata now, and Lewis knocked him out in the first round.
People can try to say Lennox was boring but he never "prolong"ed anything.
Tua he never really hurt and boxed safely and it was a boring fight. But Wladimer has no tua's in front of him, no one thats gonna blow him out. he had freaking eddie chambers in front of him, 50 pound weight advantage, 6 inch height advantage probably a long reach advantage too and yet it takes him 12 rounds to beat this guy? Why anyone tries to excuse Wlads boringness is beyond me
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Originally Posted by Majestyyes and someone with the advantages of Wladimer, fights like he has none at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.
I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.
As I said he has size, reach, speed, accuracy and POWER over any other Heavyweight out there. A height and reach advantage as well.
Now, why would someone with all these advantages have to take 12 rounds to stop any opponent? Simply put he is afraid of getting knocked out again. If he used all the skill he has he would be blowing people out in a round or two. You can talk trash about Lennox Lewis all you want but when he had someone he took them out of there so he wouldnt get caught with anything crazy. Wladimer just prolongs and prolongs and prolongs.
When Lennox had someone hurt he got them out.
Fact is Wladimer would take 12 rounds to beat Andrew Golata now, and Lewis knocked him out in the first round.
People can try to say Lennox was boring but he never "prolong"ed anything.
Tua he never really hurt and boxed safely and it was a boring fight. But Wladimer has no tua's in front of him, no one thats gonna blow him out. he had freaking eddie chambers in front of him, 50 pound weight advantage, 6 inch height advantage probably a long reach advantage too and yet it takes him 12 rounds to beat this guy? Why anyone tries to excuse Wlads boringness is beyond me
What the Tua/Lewis fight lacked in constant action made up for it ion the shots they took....Both fighters ate some big big punches in that bout
Keep in mind, before the Sanders fight Wlad was much more aggressive, he got caught, his confidence was hurt and became much more careful. I think as time goes on he will become more aggressive but it is not like he is doing it for no reason......He did get caught and lost. The problem is Wlad is too smart and he wont make the mistake he made in Sanders fight again......
Also, Wlad was way ahead on the cards going into the 12 round vs chambers and pressed the KO, so give the guy some credit for that......
Hey the dude uses what he's got to win, is it his fault most other heavies aren't 6'7...pwill often gets critiqued for not using his reach advantage yet wlad gets critiqued on every fight these days because he completely controls range...wlad knows he got a pretty fragile chin so hes not wanting to risk it at all like he did back in the day, can ya blame him, smart fella...he's not forcing anyone to the tv to watch.
I kinda felt that Manny Steward was almost showing disgust thst Chambers was still there, that talking to he gave him before the 12th, man, Wlad should be ashamed of himself... Such a poor punch output and extremely low level of aggression for a giant physical monster of a heavyweight. I think the hook he caught Chambers with was about the third hook he'd thrown all night. Ha. Jab Jab Straight Right, Jab Jab, Jab, Jab Jab Jab, jab Straight Right, Jab Jab.... Jab...................Jab. He's surely the most monotonous boxer out there....Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
I agree he never thows many hooks at all.He never thows upercuts either i think i saw him throw 1 in the hole fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagicianI kinda felt that Manny Steward was almost showing disgust thst Chambers was still there, that talking to he gave him before the 12th, man, Wlad should be ashamed of himself... Such a poor punch output and extremely low level of aggression for a giant physical monster of a heavyweight. I think the hook he caught Chambers with was about the third hook he'd thrown all night. Ha. Jab Jab Straight Right, Jab Jab, Jab, Jab Jab Jab, jab Straight Right, Jab Jab.... Jab...................Jab. He's surely the most monotonous boxer out there....Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
You saw an uppercut!? lol I sure didnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifI agree he never thows many hooks at all.He never thows upercuts either i think i saw him throw 1 in the hole fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagicianI kinda felt that Manny Steward was almost showing disgust thst Chambers was still there, that talking to he gave him before the 12th, man, Wlad should be ashamed of himself... Such a poor punch output and extremely low level of aggression for a giant physical monster of a heavyweight. I think the hook he caught Chambers with was about the third hook he'd thrown all night. Ha. Jab Jab Straight Right, Jab Jab, Jab, Jab Jab Jab, jab Straight Right, Jab Jab.... Jab...................Jab. He's surely the most monotonous boxer out there....Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
But on a different note, I hope Eddie's confidence is not too badly shaken by the loss, because I would like to see him stick around for boxing's sake. And IMO, Eddie did try last night. He just couldnt make it happen. It was simply too "big" of an uphill battle.
It's not Wlad's fault that he has a size advantage over most of his opponents. Wlad's size is an advantage but not that much of a advantage that he can dominate all the fighters he faces. he has a great skillset to go along with his size. The heavyweight division states that anything over 200 pounds is a heavyweight so it's not like he's cheating lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticAlthough i agree that a prime Tyson would cause Wlad major problems because of the speed, power, head movement and angles, You shouldn't discredit Wlad's abilities in the ring and his achivements regardless of how weak the division is. Calzaghe and Hopkins are great fighters but the division's they dominated weren't that good really but there dominance was too good to go ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Wlad is a great boxer, he is awesome at fighting at his range and at controlling the pace, his footwork is great. His jab is deadly accurate and his right hand and left hook can take you out if landed clean. His handspeed is good for a fighter his size also. The only thing his game lacks is body work and an inside game but with his reach and height advantage he doesn't really need them.
Chambers did try and win tonight, he simply couldn't get past the jab and Wlad's footwork threw him off. When ever Eddie fired punches, Wlad would take a few steps back, avoid Eddie shots and start firing the jab again. Thats really frustrating for a fighter to deal with especially a accurate guy like Chambers.
Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.
I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.
Size wasn't a factor for Eddie when he clearly outboxed 6ft7 254 pounds Alexander Dimitrenko for 12 rounds. Dimitrenko actually has a longer reach than Wlad by 2 inches and Eddie was even able to hurt him a few times.
It was all different against Wlad though because he has alot of boxing ability to go along with the size and reach.
it's not a lot of boxing ability. it's his strength and power. if he had a lot of boxing ability, he wouldn't have went in there head hunting and made to look like an absolute monkey at times by chambers.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticIt's not Wlad's fault that he has a size advantage over most of his opponents. Wlad's size is an advantage but not that much of a advantage that he can dominate all the fighters he faces. he has a great skillset to go along with his size. The heavyweight division states that anything over 200 pounds is a heavyweight so it's not like he's cheating lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHopkins and Calzaghe were fighting men who weighed the same and had similar physical tools. There were no 40 pound weight differentials to be dealing with. If the guy was taller, then at least you knew you weighed the same. The other weight classes exist for good reason. Only at heavyweight can you get such size disparities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Don't get me wrong Wlad does what he needs to do and it isn't his fault that there is noone to challenge him, but Chambers could quite easily make cruiserweight. Wlad is a superheavyweight really. I think the size can be overcome with skills, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing much on the horizon. A Tyson type figure would put the fear of god into Wlad. Tyson would be his achilles heel. I just don't see how Wladimir would be able to keep him off and stay calm enough to not allow his stamina to suffer badly. Chambers is quite quick, but not offensive minded in the slightest. He has no real power and was too willing to just let the seconds tick by while Wlad kept pawing at the guard.
I've always much preferred Vitali to Wlad, at least the man engages and throws punches.
Size wasn't a factor for Eddie when he clearly outboxed 6ft7 254 pounds Alexander Dimitrenko for 12 rounds. Dimitrenko actually has a longer reach than Wlad by 2 inches and Eddie was even able to hurt him a few times.
It was all different against Wlad though because he has alot of boxing ability to go along with the size and reach.
there isn't much gap if at all between wlad and chambers in boxing skills.