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03-29-2010, 09:22 AM
KingRome

How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

How do you think Klitchko brothers would do in the MMA?
03-29-2010, 01:31 PM
TitoFan

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

In a word... terrible. Vitali's too old and stiff to compete at MMA... the only thing in his favor is his size and his ability to take a punch. Wladimir would probably fare even worse. He's managed to protect his chin in fights after his nasty KOs at the hands of Sanders and Brewster. But one wayward roundhouse kick, and you'd have to wheel Wlad out in a stretcher. His pawing, jabbing tactics would only buy him so much time in an MMA fight. Bad match of styles for both of them.
03-29-2010, 05:53 PM
KingRome

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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In a word... terrible. Vitali's too old and stiff to compete at MMA... the only thing in his favor is his size and his ability to take a punch. Wladimir would probably fare even worse. He's managed to protect his chin in fights after his nasty KOs at the hands of Sanders and Brewster. But one wayward roundhouse kick, and you'd have to wheel Wlad out in a stretcher. His pawing, jabbing tactics would only buy him so much time in an MMA fight. Bad match of styles for both of them.

Perhaps, but you have to take into account that there are 40 year old MMA fighters. Also, if Brock Lesnar, a 300 pound slob could go from WWE to a UFC champion, I guarantee Klitchko's chances would be much better than his. Also you have to take into consideration that they are rather good kick boxers, ontop of being hardest hitting boxers on the planet. Also, look at their conditioning. How many boxers have you heard of that are capable to go 12 rounds and EASILY throw a knock out punch at any second of the last round? a 3 round match would be a walk in the park for them. Idk of course this is all nothing short of speculation, but I believe that both of them could dominate the UFC if given the proper wrestling/jujitsu training. Their height might be both an advantage and a disadvantage in mixed martial arts, so thats one of the reason I have a few doubts in my mind.
I really wouldn't be conserned about Wlad's chin, shit happens... thats all there really is to it. If he was somebody that got knocked out in 10 or 15 fights, than you could talk about his chin. He's been in like 57 professional fights, and probably over 100 amateur fights where he got rocked in that very "glass jaw" that everyone claims he has, nobody other that the 3 lucky dues even came close to knocking him down, let alone out.

As for jabbing lol, I'm sure he could offer a little more than that in the MMA, and even if he didn't, I really don't know too many MMA fighters that would have the balls or be stupid enough to try to charge at them, their punches are very accurate and anybody that went for a take down would likely be on the canvas the next second. Give them a pair of the tiny ass UFC gloves, whoever you put in the ring with them would be leaving on a flight for life, because any of their hits would be devastating, if not deadly.
03-29-2010, 06:54 PM
blegit

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

No way they would do very well at all. They are too stiff and not athletic enough. They would catch some fighters but everybody knows to take them down and that is where they would end up almost every fight. And remember, MMA has quite a few heavyweights that are just as big as the Klitschkos so they wouldn't be having a size advantage in the cage. Many of the top experienced heavyweight fighters are 6'3" to 6' 5" and have to cut to make the 265 lbs. weight limit. Couple that with the fact that the Klitschkos would then be the rookies in the sport. This wouldn't turn out well. The Klitschkos would have to be matched up well for success.
03-29-2010, 07:09 PM
ElTerribleMorales

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

wasn't Vitali a kickboxing world champ? either way if shot fighters like Mercer aren't doing too bad don't see how the Klitschko's could do any worse given the appropriate training
03-29-2010, 07:16 PM
Nameless

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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No way they would do very well at all. They are too stiff and not athletic enough. They would catch some fighters but everybody knows to take them down and that is where they would end up almost every fight. And remember, MMA has quite a few heavyweights that are just as big as the Klitschkos so they wouldn't be having a size advantage in the cage. Many of the top experienced heavyweight fighters are 6'3" to 6' 5" and have to cut to make the 265 lbs. weight limit. Couple that with the fact that the Klitschkos would then be the rookies in the sport. This wouldn't turn out well. The Klitschkos would have to be matched up well for success.

Not athletic enough??? They are perhaps the 2 most athletics heavyweight around...
03-29-2010, 07:32 PM
blegit

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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No way they would do very well at all. They are too stiff and not athletic enough. They would catch some fighters but everybody knows to take them down and that is where they would end up almost every fight. And remember, MMA has quite a few heavyweights that are just as big as the Klitschkos so they wouldn't be having a size advantage in the cage. Many of the top experienced heavyweight fighters are 6'3" to 6' 5" and have to cut to make the 265 lbs. weight limit. Couple that with the fact that the Klitschkos would then be the rookies in the sport. This wouldn't turn out well. The Klitschkos would have to be matched up well for success.

Not athletic enough??? They are perhaps the 2 most athletics heavyweight around...

How are the Klitschkos perhaps the 2 most athletic heavyweights? Around what, boxing you mean? I'm talking about agility, speed, movement, flexibility, etc. MMA has guys who are NCAA All American wrestlers. Successful heavyweight wrestlers have to be truly athletic. A lot of these guys can do a backflip from their feet, do a gramby roll from their feet, throw a guy in a suplex, etc. I am a very big wrestling fan, real wrestling, and I see real athleticism like lightweights coming from heavyweights.
03-29-2010, 09:24 PM
KingRome

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

So looks like people here are trying to say that a fake ass, pus$y ass WWE clown like Lesnar can become a UFC champ, but an actual top notch boxer can't? Throw a wrestler in a fight with a boxer, and watch the wrestler get killed. I'm not arguing that they would have a size advantage, but let's be serious, their athleticism is undeniable, whether or not they show it in most of todays fights. Give either Klitchko 18 months to work on their ground game, throw them in the ring with Mir or Lesnar, and i would bet everything i have on Klitchkos simply because they are natural born fighters, and every style of fighting they take on, they dominate.. ontop of that they are in the best shape of their lives, probably better than 90% of the UFC fighters that everyone praises so much. Look at the UFC fighters in round 3, most of the are out of breath, exhausted, and can't even pack a punch. watch Klitchko in round 12, knocking people out.
03-29-2010, 10:52 PM
TitoFan

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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In a word... terrible. Vitali's too old and stiff to compete at MMA... the only thing in his favor is his size and his ability to take a punch. Wladimir would probably fare even worse. He's managed to protect his chin in fights after his nasty KOs at the hands of Sanders and Brewster. But one wayward roundhouse kick, and you'd have to wheel Wlad out in a stretcher. His pawing, jabbing tactics would only buy him so much time in an MMA fight. Bad match of styles for both of them.

Perhaps, but you have to take into account that there are 40 year old MMA fighters. Also, if Brock Lesnar, a 300 pound slob could go from WWE to a UFC champion, I guarantee Klitchko's chances would be much better than his. Also you have to take into consideration that they are rather good kick boxers, ontop of being hardest hitting boxers on the planet. Also, look at their conditioning. How many boxers have you heard of that are capable to go 12 rounds and EASILY throw a knock out punch at any second of the last round? a 3 round match would be a walk in the park for them. Idk of course this is all nothing short of speculation, but I believe that both of them could dominate the UFC if given the proper wrestling/jujitsu training. Their height might be both an advantage and a disadvantage in mixed martial arts, so thats one of the reason I have a few doubts in my mind.
I really wouldn't be conserned about Wlad's chin, shit happens... thats all there really is to it. If he was somebody that got knocked out in 10 or 15 fights, than you could talk about his chin. He's been in like 57 professional fights, and probably over 100 amateur fights where he got rocked in that very "glass jaw" that everyone claims he has, nobody other that the 3 lucky dues even came close to knocking him down, let alone out.

As for jabbing lol, I'm sure he could offer a little more than that in the MMA, and even if he didn't, I really don't know too many MMA fighters that would have the balls or be stupid enough to try to charge at them, their punches are very accurate and anybody that went for a take down would likely be on the canvas the next second. Give them a pair of the tiny ass UFC gloves, whoever you put in the ring with them would be leaving on a flight for life, because any of their hits would be devastating, if not deadly.

Let's discuss the "chin" issue. Surely you're not going to defend Wlad's chin because he's only been knocked out twice. Not taking anything away from Wlad, but most of his recent opponents go in there looking like they're on Death Row, and hoping for a stay of execution. I don't remember Wlad getting in too many knockdown, dragout affairs with give and take on both sides. So I'll stick with my assessment. Sure the MMA guys would be cautious coming in. But Wlad would have to worry about more than just lefts and rights.

As far as his athleticism... sure... Wlad's an accomplished kite surfer, and what have you. And he keeps himself in better shape than most HW's nowadays (which isn't saying much). But he's not flexible or agile enough, IMO, to be dominant in a sport that demands lots of both.
03-29-2010, 11:00 PM
Nameless

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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No way they would do very well at all. They are too stiff and not athletic enough. They would catch some fighters but everybody knows to take them down and that is where they would end up almost every fight. And remember, MMA has quite a few heavyweights that are just as big as the Klitschkos so they wouldn't be having a size advantage in the cage. Many of the top experienced heavyweight fighters are 6'3" to 6' 5" and have to cut to make the 265 lbs. weight limit. Couple that with the fact that the Klitschkos would then be the rookies in the sport. This wouldn't turn out well. The Klitschkos would have to be matched up well for success.

Not athletic enough??? They are perhaps the 2 most athletics heavyweight around...

How are the Klitschkos perhaps the 2 most athletic heavyweights? Around what, boxing you mean? I'm talking about agility, speed, movement, flexibility, etc. MMA has guys who are NCAA All American wrestlers. Successful heavyweight wrestlers have to be truly athletic. A lot of these guys can do a backflip from their feet, do a gramby roll from their feet, throw a guy in a suplex, etc. I am a very big wrestling fan, real wrestling, and I see real athleticism like lightweights coming from heavyweights.

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.
03-29-2010, 11:25 PM
stebs

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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So looks like people here are trying to say that a fake ass, pus$y ass WWE clown like Lesnar can become a UFC champ, but an actual top notch boxer can't? Throw a wrestler in a fight with a boxer, and watch the wrestler get killed. I'm not arguing that they would have a size advantage, but let's be serious, their athleticism is undeniable, whether or not they show it in most of todays fights. Give either Klitchko 18 months to work on their ground game, throw them in the ring with Mir or Lesnar, and i would bet everything i have on Klitchkos simply because they are natural born fighters, and every style of fighting they take on, they dominate.. ontop of that they are in the best shape of their lives, probably better than 90% of the UFC fighters that everyone praises so much. Look at the UFC fighters in round 3, most of the are out of breath, exhausted, and can't even pack a punch. watch Klitchko in round 12, knocking people out.

What do they need extra training for, the statement you made means they need only to get in the ring with say a p*ssy a** like Lesnar and just like that their heavy champs of the UFC, after Lesnar pounds them into the mat and makes them bleed like p*ssies they could lick each others wounds.
03-29-2010, 11:30 PM
blegit

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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In a word... terrible. Vitali's too old and stiff to compete at MMA... the only thing in his favor is his size and his ability to take a punch. Wladimir would probably fare even worse. He's managed to protect his chin in fights after his nasty KOs at the hands of Sanders and Brewster. But one wayward roundhouse kick, and you'd have to wheel Wlad out in a stretcher. His pawing, jabbing tactics would only buy him so much time in an MMA fight. Bad match of styles for both of them.

Perhaps, but you have to take into account that there are 40 year old MMA fighters. Also, if Brock Lesnar, a 300 pound slob could go from WWE to a UFC champion, I guarantee Klitchko's chances would be much better than his. Also you have to take into consideration that they are rather good kick boxers, ontop of being hardest hitting boxers on the planet. Also, look at their conditioning. How many boxers have you heard of that are capable to go 12 rounds and EASILY throw a knock out punch at any second of the last round? a 3 round match would be a walk in the park for them. Idk of course this is all nothing short of speculation, but I believe that both of them could dominate the UFC if given the proper wrestling/jujitsu training. Their height might be both an advantage and a disadvantage in mixed martial arts, so thats one of the reason I have a few doubts in my mind.
I really wouldn't be conserned about Wlad's chin, shit happens... thats all there really is to it. If he was somebody that got knocked out in 10 or 15 fights, than you could talk about his chin. He's been in like 57 professional fights, and probably over 100 amateur fights where he got rocked in that very "glass jaw" that everyone claims he has, nobody other that the 3 lucky dues even came close to knocking him down, let alone out.

As for jabbing lol, I'm sure he could offer a little more than that in the MMA, and even if he didn't, I really don't know too many MMA fighters that would have the balls or be stupid enough to try to charge at them, their punches are very accurate and anybody that went for a take down would likely be on the canvas the next second. Give them a pair of the tiny ass UFC gloves, whoever you put in the ring with them would be leaving on a flight for life, because any of their hits would be devastating, if not deadly.

Let's discuss the "chin" issue. Surely you're not going to defend Wlad's chin because he's only been knocked out twice. Not taking anything away from Wlad, but most of his recent opponents go in there looking like they're on Death Row, and hoping for a stay of execution. I don't remember Wlad getting in too many knockdown, dragout affairs with give and take on both sides. So I'll stick with my assessment. Sure the MMA guys would be cautious coming in. But Wlad would have to worry about more than just lefts and rights.

As far as his athleticism... sure... Wlad's an accomplished kite surfer, and what have you. And he keeps himself in better shape than most HW's nowadays (which isn't saying much). But he's not flexible or agile enough, IMO, to be dominant in a sport that demands lots of both.

Actually, Wlad's been KO'ed 3 times. And almost a 4th, he was knocked down 3 times by Samuel Peter. But you're right there's no denying Wlad's chin issues. He fights unwilling and tentative nowadays and that we all know why.
03-29-2010, 11:36 PM
TitoFan

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Perhaps, but you have to take into account that there are 40 year old MMA fighters. Also, if Brock Lesnar, a 300 pound slob could go from WWE to a UFC champion, I guarantee Klitchko's chances would be much better than his. Also you have to take into consideration that they are rather good kick boxers, ontop of being hardest hitting boxers on the planet. Also, look at their conditioning. How many boxers have you heard of that are capable to go 12 rounds and EASILY throw a knock out punch at any second of the last round? a 3 round match would be a walk in the park for them. Idk of course this is all nothing short of speculation, but I believe that both of them could dominate the UFC if given the proper wrestling/jujitsu training. Their height might be both an advantage and a disadvantage in mixed martial arts, so thats one of the reason I have a few doubts in my mind.
I really wouldn't be conserned about Wlad's chin, shit happens... thats all there really is to it. If he was somebody that got knocked out in 10 or 15 fights, than you could talk about his chin. He's been in like 57 professional fights, and probably over 100 amateur fights where he got rocked in that very "glass jaw" that everyone claims he has, nobody other that the 3 lucky dues even came close to knocking him down, let alone out.

As for jabbing lol, I'm sure he could offer a little more than that in the MMA, and even if he didn't, I really don't know too many MMA fighters that would have the balls or be stupid enough to try to charge at them, their punches are very accurate and anybody that went for a take down would likely be on the canvas the next second. Give them a pair of the tiny ass UFC gloves, whoever you put in the ring with them would be leaving on a flight for life, because any of their hits would be devastating, if not deadly.

Let's discuss the "chin" issue. Surely you're not going to defend Wlad's chin because he's only been knocked out twice. Not taking anything away from Wlad, but most of his recent opponents go in there looking like they're on Death Row, and hoping for a stay of execution. I don't remember Wlad getting in too many knockdown, dragout affairs with give and take on both sides. So I'll stick with my assessment. Sure the MMA guys would be cautious coming in. But Wlad would have to worry about more than just lefts and rights.

As far as his athleticism... sure... Wlad's an accomplished kite surfer, and what have you. And he keeps himself in better shape than most HW's nowadays (which isn't saying much). But he's not flexible or agile enough, IMO, to be dominant in a sport that demands lots of both.

Actually, Wlad's been KO'ed 3 times. And almost a 4th, he was knocked down 3 times by Samuel Peter. But you're right there's no denying Wlad's chin issues. He fights unwilling and tentative nowadays and that we all know why.

I stand corrected. I only remembered the Sanders and Brewster KO's, but you're right. And in going over his list of recent opponents, it's hard to find a sorrier bunch of incompetent stiffs on the planet. Not taking anything away from Wlad, mind you. But his chin has NOT BEEN TESTED as of late. When he gets tagged good, and pulls out a war of a fight... I'll be more convinced.
03-29-2010, 11:37 PM
blegit

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Originally Posted by KingRome

So looks like people here are trying to say that a fake ass, pus$y ass WWE clown like Lesnar can become a UFC champ, but an actual top notch boxer can't? Throw a wrestler in a fight with a boxer, and watch the wrestler get killed. I'm not arguing that they would have a size advantage, but let's be serious, their athleticism is undeniable, whether or not they show it in most of todays fights. Give either Klitchko 18 months to work on their ground game, throw them in the ring with Mir or Lesnar, and i would bet everything i have on Klitchkos simply because they are natural born fighters, and every style of fighting they take on, they dominate.. ontop of that they are in the best shape of their lives, probably better than 90% of the UFC fighters that everyone praises so much. Look at the UFC fighters in round 3, most of the are out of breath, exhausted, and can't even pack a punch. watch Klitchko in round 12, knocking people out.

Umm, boxers do fight wrestlers. Its called MMA. And wrestlers consistently win. Boxers aren't dominating the sport for a reason not of their choice. Not because they don't like the sport. By the way, Lesnar is a real wrestler. He is a NCAA division 1 national champion. Watch his footage. He is a beastly wrestler.
03-30-2010, 12:04 AM
blegit

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Not athletic enough??? They are perhaps the 2 most athletics heavyweight around...

How are the Klitschkos perhaps the 2 most athletic heavyweights? Around what, boxing you mean? I'm talking about agility, speed, movement, flexibility, etc. MMA has guys who are NCAA All American wrestlers. Successful heavyweight wrestlers have to be truly athletic. A lot of these guys can do a backflip from their feet, do a gramby roll from their feet, throw a guy in a suplex, etc. I am a very big wrestling fan, real wrestling, and I see real athleticism like lightweights coming from heavyweights.

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them??? This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.
03-30-2010, 12:17 AM
KingRome

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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How are the Klitschkos perhaps the 2 most athletic heavyweights? Around what, boxing you mean? I'm talking about agility, speed, movement, flexibility, etc. MMA has guys who are NCAA All American wrestlers. Successful heavyweight wrestlers have to be truly athletic. A lot of these guys can do a backflip from their feet, do a gramby roll from their feet, throw a guy in a suplex, etc. I am a very big wrestling fan, real wrestling, and I see real athleticism like lightweights coming from heavyweights.

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them??? This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.

as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.
03-30-2010, 01:16 AM
Kev

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them??? This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.

as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Clearly you didn't see MMA evolve from the beginning. To start with it was pure boxers, pure wrestlers, pure ju jitszu guys, the boxers consistently did worse than all other disciplines. Admittedly there were no elite boxing guys fighting but it is abundantly clear that as a skill set appropriate for real fighting boxing is not as effective as most others.

It was the Ju Jitsu guys that dominated, Royce Gracie who dominated the early history of the UFC and then along came bigger wrestlers and shoot fighters who for a while owned the sport, Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn spring to mind.

If boxers could have transitioned easily to the sport a lot of B grade boxers would have come over and cleaned up, but they couldn't, and that was from the beginning.

Now MMA has evolved to the point where you have to have so many skills to rule the divisions.

Back on topic, I think the Klitschko's would likely have some success, their stand ups would be pretty devastating and I doubt with even with only limited training in the other aspects that they would be easy to take to the ground. A lot of fighters would be flat out intimidated by them.

But they would have too many holes in their game to win consistently, although I'd imagine they would be able to immediately make an impact.

But as MMA encompasses all styles it's easier for a boxer to transition to MMA, because he retains the value of his experience and skillset for an MMA fighter to move to boxing because virtually all they have learnt and practised is not allowed in boxing.

All they would have is their striking skills, honed in MMA gloves which are completely different to boxing, and as they only spend maybe 30% of their time on striking considering everything else they have to learn clearly they would not be able to match up to those who do striking exlusively.

As a real world skillset I'd far rather be an elite MMA star though, they would be much more handy in a real fight.
03-30-2010, 03:32 AM
KingRome

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them??? This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.

as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Clearly you didn't see MMA evolve from the beginning. To start with it was pure boxers, pure wrestlers, pure ju jitszu guys, the boxers consistently did worse than all other disciplines. Admittedly there were no elite boxing guys fighting but it is abundantly clear that as a skill set appropriate for real fighting boxing is not as effective as most others.

It was the Ju Jitsu guys that dominated, Royce Gracie who dominated the early history of the UFC and then along came bigger wrestlers and shoot fighters who for a while owned the sport, Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn spring to mind.

If boxers could have transitioned easily to the sport a lot of B grade boxers would have come over and cleaned up, but they couldn't, and that was from the beginning.

Now MMA has evolved to the point where you have to have so many skills to rule the divisions.

Back on topic, I think the Klitschko's would likely have some success, their stand ups would be pretty devastating and I doubt with even with only limited training in the other aspects that they would be easy to take to the ground. A lot of fighters would be flat out intimidated by them.

But they would have too many holes in their game to win consistently, although I'd imagine they would be able to immediately make an impact.

But as MMA encompasses all styles it's easier for a boxer to transition to MMA, because he retains the value of his experience and skillset for an MMA fighter to move to boxing because virtually all they have learnt and practised is not allowed in boxing.

All they would have is their striking skills, honed in MMA gloves which are completely different to boxing, and as they only spend maybe 30% of their time on striking considering everything else they have to learn clearly they would not be able to match up to those who do striking exlusively.

As a real world skillset I'd far rather be an elite MMA star though, they would be much more handy in a real fight.

Okay well I'm glad to see you expend a little, i do agree with a lot of what you have to say. Their fundamentals would give them a huge advantage, and the rest would just depend on how hard they are willing to train and how well they learn the ground game. I would love to see both of them enter the octago... maybe i should call bully beat down and tell them Klitchkos have been harassing me haha..
03-30-2010, 03:57 AM
blegit

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them??? This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.

as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Brother, you obviously missed the point. We were not talking about boxing. We were comparing the Klitschkos "athleticism" to other heavyweights of the world. Not Lebron boxing Wladimir. How is Lesnar a fat slob? You must not be in the right state of mind towards Lesnar because your comments are hilariously off. I am going to choose not to read into it.
03-30-2010, 04:07 AM
KingRome

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them??? This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

Lol how the fuck are you gonna compare LeBron james to Klitchko? Either klitchkos would kill him with a bitch slap... Calvin Johnson? wtf is Calvin johnson gonna do to klitchko? Jump over him? before or after he gets knocked out.. and the fact that you put a fat slob like lesnar in the same league with klitchko based on athleticism is just... honestly i'm at loss of words right now so i'm just gonna leave it at that.

as for the other dude who said wrestlers always fight boxers in mma. I'm talking about a PURE wrestler, without MMA training. vs a pure boxer.... Boxer will KILL the wrestler in minutes. add some intense training ground game training to their schedule, and he would make brock lesnar his b!tch.

Brother, you obviously missed the point. We were not talking about boxing. We were comparing the Klitschkos "athleticism" to other heavyweights of the world. Not Lebron boxing Wladimir. How is Lesnar a fat slob? You must not be in the right state of mind towards Lesnar because your comments are hilariously off. I am going to choose not to read into it.

brother YOU have clearly missed the point, because we are talking about Klitchkos, MMA, and their possible impact. How am I not in the right state of mind? Lesnar is nothing short of an Neanderthal. i don't see any skills in him, sorry maybe I'm blind.
03-30-2010, 04:11 AM
blegit

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

You were dipping in Nameless and my conversation and then responded to a part of it. We were talking about athleticism. Nothing more. You misunderstood. I'm sure no one is comparing Lebron to any boxer in the boxing ring. We were comparing the Klitshkos athleticism to other heavyweights in any sport. Only the "athleticism" aspect. Not the thread title.
03-30-2010, 09:07 AM
Nameless

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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How are the Klitschkos perhaps the 2 most athletic heavyweights? Around what, boxing you mean? I'm talking about agility, speed, movement, flexibility, etc. MMA has guys who are NCAA All American wrestlers. Successful heavyweight wrestlers have to be truly athletic. A lot of these guys can do a backflip from their feet, do a gramby roll from their feet, throw a guy in a suplex, etc. I am a very big wrestling fan, real wrestling, and I see real athleticism like lightweights coming from heavyweights.

Sorry but in the actual HW, I challenge you to find me one guy who,s much more athletics than the K brothers; they are tall, strong and there is no fat on these frames for sure. Now are they good to throw peoples on the mat and to work them on the floor, we don't know as we've not seen them but one thing for sure, as for athletics, they friggin are. I know Vitali used to be kick boxing champion so I guess he has good flexibility and can land nice and powerful kicks if needed so he must not only have a good physics but must be a bit more than a slow one so to speak. as or Wlad, I am certain that he has not only a good physics but coul learn how to use his size to control somebody on the mat, not saying he would the best ever but if Toney, Mercer or botha can do something off the MMA, i am 100% positive that there is no reasons why the Klitschkos couldn't do something decent too.

No disrespect and I am not trying to argue but what in the boxing ring have you seen that makes you think the Klitschkos are the 2 most athletic heavyweights. Do you really just want me to name any heavyweight more athletic than them??? This is too easy. Laughably too easy. Well, lets start with Lebron James 6' 8" 255 pounds, Calvin Johnson 6' 5" 240 pounds runs a 4.3 40 and has a 43 inch vertical, Brock Lesnar 6' 3" 265 pounds the guy can gramby roll from his feet suplex another heavyweight when most lightweights can't do that to each other. Just to name a few. Look at some of the heavyweight wrestlers, look at most NBA forwards and some shooting guards, and look at some of the NFL TEs and linebackers. This is true athleticism coming from heavyweights. The Klitshkos are bigger and taller. Their athletic contribution is being stronger. By the way, James Toney has never fought MMA. Botha has never beat anyone of note, and Mercer KO'd Tim Sylvia in a previously agreed stand up MMA contest. The same Mercer was taken down and submitted by none other than Kimbo"I panic on the ground" Slice. Yeah, Kimbo, the guy who has no ground skills. Boxers aren't suited for MMA. There will be the every now and then fights that end with that lucky punch but this is too inconsistent. You must have ground skills.

First, I talked HW in boxing, you'Re giving me a shitlist of other athletes. Body wise, if you look at how they are built, the K are built much better than every other athletes you just names, Lebron doesn't pack half of their power and I don't see any reasons why magically he would be so much better than them neither on the stand up (which is ludicrous) and neither on the mat.

Second, LEsnar is quite fatter than the Klitschko, body-wise, he's not more athletics, he's better at wrestling because it's what he did all his life but his stand-up is quite shit and the day he'll get a good brawler in his trail he might be killed.

Third, you're mixing 2 things: athletic qualities and being good on the mat. the K are damn athletics but probably at the moment not good on the mat because they never practiced it. Give let's say 2 years to Wlad to intensively learn the ground game and I see no reasons why Slice, much smaller, no chin and a very mediocre boxing could even get close to him and it would be the same for a lot of HW. Athletics capacities and ground game are different things and I know K don't have ground game because they never practiced it. The power and body though, it's all another thing...
03-30-2010, 04:49 PM
PRIDE OF BOSTON

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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How do you think Klitchko brothers would do in the MMA?

Ughhh... This question. Really?

Jesus...

-From every person that has ever spoken to me about boxing that really isn't a fan-

"How do you think [ADD BOXER'S NAME HERE] would do in MMA?"

It's exhausting.
03-30-2010, 05:59 PM
aliceodds

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

Vitali Klitschko was fighting in kickboxing a few years ago. He was even defeated by a Polish kickboxer Przemyslaw Saleta - but after a few years he would for sure declass Saleta on boxing ring.
I think If he was younger he would have some chances in MMA - now he is too old.
03-30-2010, 07:11 PM
Beanflicker

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Perhaps, but you have to take into account that there are 40 year old MMA fighters. Also, if Brock Lesnar, a 300 pound slob could go from WWE to a UFC champion, I guarantee Klitchko's chances would be much better than his.

Well the problem with this theory is a) Lesnar is 300lbs of muscle and a tremendous athlete and about as far from a "slob" as you can find, and b) he was a highly decorated amateur wrestler. For those not familiar with MMA, wrestling is ideally the best base to start off in MMA, because in theory you can control where the fight takes place (if you want it standing, you use your wrestling to stop a guy from taking you down. If you want it on the ground, you take him down).

The Klitschko's could both do fantastic in MMA potentially. Both are superb athletes with extremely educated hands and dangerous standup. Vitali especially because of his kickboxing background. The question is, are they willing to put boxing aside and train with a legit MMA camp full time, and learn how to avoid takedowns and how to defend/mount offense off their backs.
03-30-2010, 10:05 PM
El Kabong

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

Ughhh... This question. Really?

Jesus...

-From every person that has ever spoken to me about boxing that really isn't a fan-

"How do you think [ADD BOXER'S NAME HERE] would do in MMA?"

It's exhausting.

Well actually wen he was younger Vitali would do just as good as someone like Alistar Overeem (perhaps better perhaps worse). Vitali was a world class kickboxer before he focused in 100% on boxing which is why his stance and fighting style are so strange.

With Wladimir it would depend...if Wlad hits you with a 4 oz. glove I don't care who the hell you are, you're done, but could Wlad avoid a takedown? Could he wrestle? Could he avoid kicks? I doubt it. Wlad is a perfect technical boxer, but that would hurt him in MMA because he stands up tall and that pushes his center of gravity higher therefore making it easier to take him down/topple him over.

I think in MMA it's actually an advantage to be shorter and have a lower center of gravity ESPECIALLY if you don't kick. To do quality wrestling moves and make yourself a smaller target would seem to be an advantage in MMA....just my opinion.

MMA could spawn some decent boxers, but I think it's far easier to "expand your game" (move from strict rules BOXING to loose rules MMA) than to narrow your view of fighting....but that's just my opinion
03-30-2010, 10:31 PM
Mar

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

They'd get mopped like any other boxer would. This is actually (no offense to anyone) a silly question. They probably wouldn't be very good at tennis either...who gives a crap. They box. These two sports aren't even the same thing. Next people will ask how andre berto would do in kickboxing.
03-30-2010, 11:01 PM
PRIDE OF BOSTON

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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They'd get mopped like any other boxer would. This is actually (no offense to anyone) a silly question. They probably wouldn't be very good at tennis either...who gives a crap. They box. These two sports aren't even the same thing. Next people will ask how andre berto would do in kickboxing.

That's basically what I wrote. I agree whole heartedly. The question is always posed to a boxing fan by either MMA fans or fans of neither. I normally get it about Tyson and my answer is always the same... "It's like asking how Tom Brady would do pitching for the Sox. It's ridiculous..."
03-31-2010, 06:27 AM
Caine3078

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

The Kilts would get destroyed in a MMA fight with top MMA Heavyweights. To the person who keeps talking crazy about Lesnar being in the fake WWE you must not know much about him. Lesnar was an All-American wrestler in college, I mean dude was a BEAST. Wrestling is probably the best BASE to have in MMA. Also for you to say a boxer would kill a wrestler in MMA also shows you little knowledge of MMA. If you can't keep the fight on the feet your boxing means NOTHING.. Even standing I think WLAD would get KO'd. MMA fights are with 4oz gloves not 8oz like boxing. WLAD gets touched on that chin by an elite Heavyweight striker like Junior Dos Santos or Shane Carwin (and many more) he's going down hard.
03-31-2010, 06:55 AM
eagle

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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The Kilts would get destroyed in a MMA fight with top MMA Heavyweights. To the person who keeps talking crazy about Lesnar being in the fake WWE you must not know much about him. Lesnar was an All-American wrestler in college, I mean dude was a BEAST. Wrestling is probably the best BASE to have in MMA. Also for you to say a boxer would kill a wrestler in MMA also shows you little knowledge of MMA. If you can't keep the fight on the feet your boxing means NOTHING.. Even standing I think WLAD would get KO'd. MMA fights are with 4oz gloves not 8oz like boxing. WLAD gets touched on that chin by an elite Heavyweight striker like Junior Dos Santos or Shane Carwin (and many more) he's going down hard.

While I agree with u that a pure boxer like Wlad would no do that well in MMA hse days, to say someone like Dos Santos or Carwin would easily beat Wlad in pure stand up boxing is stupid. Wlad would have more skills, equal or better power, and better reach than any of those guys. A boxer is good no matter what size the gloves. And WLad 1 punch KOs uys with full size gloves so imagine what he'd do in a pair of MMA gloves.
03-31-2010, 07:54 AM
Caine3078

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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The Kilts would get destroyed in a MMA fight with top MMA Heavyweights. To the person who keeps talking crazy about Lesnar being in the fake WWE you must not know much about him. Lesnar was an All-American wrestler in college, I mean dude was a BEAST. Wrestling is probably the best BASE to have in MMA. Also for you to say a boxer would kill a wrestler in MMA also shows you little knowledge of MMA. If you can't keep the fight on the feet your boxing means NOTHING.. Even standing I think WLAD would get KO'd. MMA fights are with 4oz gloves not 8oz like boxing. WLAD gets touched on that chin by an elite Heavyweight striker like Junior Dos Santos or Shane Carwin (and many more) he's going down hard.

While I agree with u that a pure boxer like Wlad would no do that well in MMA hse days, to say someone like Dos Santos or Carwin would easily beat Wlad in pure stand up boxing is stupid. Wlad would have more skills, equal or better power, and better reach than any of those guys. A boxer is good no matter what size the gloves. And WLad 1 punch KOs uys with full size gloves so imagine what he'd do in a pair of MMA gloves.

You did not fully read my post. Nowhere in that post did I say JDS or Carwin would easily beat Wlad in pure stand up. I said if Wlad gets touched on the chin by them he's going down. In MMA that reach advantage can get nullified quickly by getting pinned against the cage.
03-31-2010, 07:58 AM
Spicoli

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

The language barrier would definitely be huge when it comes to promoting those shitty hyped sports drinks.
03-31-2010, 10:30 AM
amat

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

Since when is Wlad stiff and unathletic? Thats not true. He was faster on his feet and with his hands then Eddie Chambers. If they ever meet in the ring I think Wlad will be better on his feet then David Haye. If a guy like Cheik Congo can be moderately successful in MMA with absolutely no ground game and less striking ability then either Klitschko's then hell yeah. In fact, I think that either Klitschko would smash Lesnar, that's my honest opinion. I think Vitali's style is more suited for MMA, holds his hands lower and has better one shot power imo.
03-31-2010, 10:50 AM
eagle

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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The Kilts would get destroyed in a MMA fight with top MMA Heavyweights. To the person who keeps talking crazy about Lesnar being in the fake WWE you must not know much about him. Lesnar was an All-American wrestler in college, I mean dude was a BEAST. Wrestling is probably the best BASE to have in MMA. Also for you to say a boxer would kill a wrestler in MMA also shows you little knowledge of MMA. If you can't keep the fight on the feet your boxing means NOTHING.. Even standing I think WLAD would get KO'd. MMA fights are with 4oz gloves not 8oz like boxing. WLAD gets touched on that chin by an elite Heavyweight striker like Junior Dos Santos or Shane Carwin (and many more) he's going down hard.

While I agree with u that a pure boxer like Wlad would no do that well in MMA hse days, to say someone like Dos Santos or Carwin would easily beat Wlad in pure stand up boxing is stupid. Wlad would have more skills, equal or better power, and better reach than any of those guys. A boxer is good no matter what size the gloves. And WLad 1 punch KOs uys with full size gloves so imagine what he'd do in a pair of MMA gloves.

You did not fully read my post. Nowhere in that post did I say JDS or Carwin would easily beat Wlad in pure stand up. I said if Wlad gets touched on the chin by them he's going down. In MMA that reach advantage can get nullified quickly by getting pinned against the cage.

Well again my point is the odds of Carwin or Dos santos getting to Wlads chin in pure stand up boxing is almost nil. Yes they are good strikers in MMA but both those guys would probably struggle to get into the top 50 boxers in the world. if top ranked boxers struggle to get near Wlads chin these days a MMA fighter would have almost zero chance. Especially as their defense is almost non existent and Wlad would more than likely KO both those guys very quickly.
03-31-2010, 10:55 AM
Caine3078

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Since when is Wlad stiff and unathletic? Thats not true. He was faster on his feet and with his hands then Eddie Chambers. If they ever meet in the ring I think Wlad will be better on his feet then David Haye. If a guy like Cheik Congo can be moderately successful in MMA with absolutely no ground game and less striking ability then either Klitschko's then hell yeah. In fact, I think that either Klitschko would smash Lesnar, that's my honest opinion. I think Vitali's style is more suited for MMA, holds his hands lower and has better one shot power imo.

Cheick Kongo is garbage and gets owned whenever he faces any of the upper echelon of MMA heavyweights. Sorry but there is a very slim chance in hell that any klits could beat Lesnar. I hate the dude but I have to give him his props he's a beast. He would take both klits to the ground easily and pound them out from there.
03-31-2010, 05:20 PM
PRIDE OF BOSTON

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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The language barrier would definitely be huge when it comes to promoting those shitty hyped sports drinks.

Truth.;D:cool:
03-31-2010, 09:12 PM
amat

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Since when is Wlad stiff and unathletic? Thats not true. He was faster on his feet and with his hands then Eddie Chambers. If they ever meet in the ring I think Wlad will be better on his feet then David Haye. If a guy like Cheik Congo can be moderately successful in MMA with absolutely no ground game and less striking ability then either Klitschko's then hell yeah. In fact, I think that either Klitschko would smash Lesnar, that's my honest opinion. I think Vitali's style is more suited for MMA, holds his hands lower and has better one shot power imo.

Cheick Kongo is garbage and gets owned whenever he faces any of the upper echelon of MMA heavyweights. Sorry but there is a very slim chance in hell that any klits could beat Lesnar. I hate the dude but I have to give him his props he's a beast. He would take both klits to the ground easily and pound them out from there.

Why is it automatically assumed he gets taken to the ground? Lesnar is crude as fuck standing up and I doubt he's really much faster then Wlad on his feet. All it would take was one punch, from Vitali it could be one of those off-angle jabs and with a 4 oz glove and it's over, if he caught Lesnar standing up it would be the easiest night of work they've ever had. That's the truth isn't it? And if Brock was dumb enough to exchange just a single time, it would be over. The fight starts on the feet and if Brock would win he would have to go through serious hell in the first part of the fight.

Fuck I hate these arguments because for some reason boxers are just written off in MMA and MMA guys are made out to be some super-fighters.
03-31-2010, 09:32 PM
El Kabong

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Fuck I hate these arguments because for some reason boxers are just written off in MMA and MMA guys are made out to be some super-fighters.

....all you have to point out is "There was a reason that Kimbo Slice chose MMA over boxing" and it wasn't the money
03-31-2010, 11:41 PM
Caine3078

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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While I agree with u that a pure boxer like Wlad would no do that well in MMA hse days, to say someone like Dos Santos or Carwin would easily beat Wlad in pure stand up boxing is stupid. Wlad would have more skills, equal or better power, and better reach than any of those guys. A boxer is good no matter what size the gloves. And WLad 1 punch KOs uys with full size gloves so imagine what he'd do in a pair of MMA gloves.

You did not fully read my post. Nowhere in that post did I say JDS or Carwin would easily beat Wlad in pure stand up. I said if Wlad gets touched on the chin by them he's going down. In MMA that reach advantage can get nullified quickly by getting pinned against the cage.

Well again my point is the odds of Carwin or Dos santos getting to Wlads chin in pure stand up boxing is almost nil. Yes they are good strikers in MMA but both those guys would probably struggle to get into the top 50 boxers in the world. if top ranked boxers struggle to get near Wlads chin these days a MMA fighter would have almost zero chance. Especially as their defense is almost non existent and Wlad would more than likely KO both those guys very quickly.

We are talking MMA fights not pure stand up boxing as you keep referring to it as. Of course if we are talking a boxing match Carwin and JDS would get owned but we are not.
03-31-2010, 11:44 PM
Caine3078

Re: How do you think Klitschkos would do in the MMA?

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Fuck I hate these arguments because for some reason boxers are just written off in MMA and MMA guys are made out to be some super-fighters.

The conversation goes both ways. MMA guys are written off when talking pure boxing matches so of course boxers will be written off when it comes to MMA. I love both sports but I just don't think there is much crossover room for either. Unless a boxer has a background in some other martial art discipline I just don't see them fairing well in MMA. Boxing involves one thing punching the other person and not getting hit. MMA is so much more to it than that.

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